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eviljelly posted:Any insights on the recent strikes at Lufthansa and Deutsche Bahn? People talking about it in the Tourism & Travel thread.
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eviljelly posted:Any insights on the recent strikes at Lufthansa and Deutsche Bahn? Evil unions for small parts of the workforce try to get a lot more money because they can cause a lot of economic damage with comparably small cost (pilots, engine drivers). The most fun thing about it was that the head of the engine driver union stated that "if two ill people make a baby, it will be retarded" and got hammered for it. He referred to the idea that the engine driver union should merge with the union for the other Bahn employees.
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Sep 8, 2014 12:40
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Someone explain to me how otherwise smart people are mass-sharing this video on Facebook and why "peace movements" these days seem to idolize these "Souveränitätsjournalisten"-types that know for a fact that 911 was an inside job, MH17 was a false-flag (and, apparently excecuted by "jets from Kiev and puppeteered by Obama) and the word "Antisemitismus" should be banned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIyd9tXdKpY I mean...dumb people on Facebook I get. But full-blown conspiracy idiocy with a nice New World Order/Global Zionism hue as a salonfähige mainstream opinion shared by people I'd otherwise consider MAYBE a little naive at their worst??
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Sep 8, 2014 12:53
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Being smart or successful in one field/business/etc. doesn't prevent you from being a total idiot in another. This is compounded by people themselves believing that if they are successful in something they know poo poo about everything.
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Sep 8, 2014 13:00
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GaussianCopula posted:The most fun thing about it was that the head of the engine driver union stated that "if two ill people make a baby, it will be retarded" and got hammered for it.
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Sep 8, 2014 13:02
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Someone explain to me how otherwise smart people are mass-sharing this video on Facebook and why "peace movements" these days seem to idolize these "Souveränitätsjournalisten"-types that know for a fact that 911 was an inside job, MH17 was a false-flag (and, apparently excecuted by "jets from Kiev and puppeteered by Obama) and the word "Antisemitismus" should be banned. Those fringe elements of the political left existed way before the internet existed, though. The internet just made it easier to find them.
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Sep 8, 2014 13:05
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Randler posted:Those fringe elements of the political left existed way before the internet existed, though. The internet just made it easier to find them. I wouldn't say that they are necessarily all left leaning. Part of those Friedensdemo participants are members of the reichbürger fringe and various sub groups. Those I would firmly place on the far right side of the spectrum.
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Sep 8, 2014 13:13
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Randler posted:Those fringe elements of the political left existed way before the internet existed, though. The internet just made it easier to find them. I dunno, to characterize crazy conspiracy theorists under the broad label of "political left" is pretty disingenuous, since 1.) it's a phenomenon that occurs across the political spectrum and 2.) the political ideologies of conspiracy theorists tend to defy easy classification along a left-right spectrum since, you know... they're crazy people.
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Sep 8, 2014 13:14
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elwood posted:I wouldn't say that they are necessarily all left leaning. Part of those Friedensdemo participants are members of the reichbürger fringe and various sub groups. Those I would firmly place on the far right side of the spectrum. True, but the Friedensbewegung itself considers itself a part of the political left. Also, all the whining about the evil United States and its imperialism is traditionally left-wing rhetoric regardless of the fact that it is shared by some right-wing extremists and refuted by some fringe leftists, i.e. Antideutsche who unlike most extreme lefts really like America and Israel.
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Sep 8, 2014 13:17
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They've actually managed to go far enough to the left that they wrap around. And here's me thinking it was a figure of speech.
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Sep 8, 2014 13:23
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It's the Neonazi "Querfront" strategy in action. Uniting leftist Anti-Nato, Anti-US elements with right-wing Anti-EU and Anti-International-Capital (aka Jews) elements. Also throw in some Truthers, RT audience, Reichsbürger and other conspiracy nuts for good measure.
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Sep 8, 2014 13:52
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Being smart or successful in one field/business/etc. doesn't prevent you from being a total idiot in another. This is compounded by people themselves believing that if they are successful in something they know poo poo about everything. There is also the desire to set yourself apart from the sheeple who still believe anyone but the US President has any agency in this world. Although to be fair, he is only a puppet for <unspecified boogeymen>. Arguing that something is not as it seems makes you appear smarter, because clearly, you have cracked the code and now the context, are capable of critical thinking and seeing the lies in the mass media. Of course, the truth is just the polar opposite of what the media are reporting because that's how propaganda works, right?
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Sep 8, 2014 14:14
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Randler posted:Those fringe elements of the political left existed way before the internet existed, though. The internet just made it easier to find them. Wow, it's funny that you would consider 911 truthers left wing because in the U.S. they are solidly in the right wing. (Although, it does wrap around a bit - there are 911 truthers who are far, far leftists.)
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Sep 8, 2014 15:31
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That's...distinctly different from my impression of american truthers. You sure you're not throwing truthers and birthers in the same bucket?
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Sep 8, 2014 15:34
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eviljelly posted:Wow, it's funny that you would consider 911 truthers left wing because in the U.S. they are solidly in the right wing. (Although, it does wrap around a bit - there are 911 truthers who are far, far leftists.) Given that it happened under a republican president I would assume the truthers do skew left wing. Watch Bush start a loving war and all that.
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Sep 8, 2014 15:37
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ArchangeI posted:Given that it happened under a republican president I would assume the truthers do skew left wing. Watch Bush start a loving war and all that. Nah, it's a right-wing phenomenon too. Where left-wing truthers are more likely to blame Bush because he's An Evil President, right-wing truthers are more likely to blame Bush (and all politicians, for that matter) for being a puppet to the true evil masters of the world, the NWO/Majestic 12/UN/Rothschilds/Zeta Reticulans.
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Sep 8, 2014 15:43
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The elephant in the room being, of course, that the fringes of left and right are far more similiar than either of them would like to admit. (And not only due to the limitations of the monodimensional left-right scale.) Edit:  
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Sep 8, 2014 15:49
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Mal was ganz anderes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt-JrasAVBg
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Sep 10, 2014 19:37
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wayfinder posted:Mal was ganz anderes: Vier Mark Dreißig. 
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Sep 10, 2014 19:39
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Randler posted:Vier Mark Dreißig. 
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I don't remember there being cigarette commercials on TV in the 90s. Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy3iGQ5s-xs futurebot 2000 fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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Sep 10, 2014 20:46
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Randler posted:The elephant in the room being, of course, that the fringes of left and right are far more similiar than either of them would like to admit.
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Sep 10, 2014 22:39
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The future...TODAY! Preview of how German textbooks will treat the Ukraine conflict. (I'm especially amused by the use of "Handelskrieg", because back when I went to school my social studies teacher docked me points because "there is no such thing as a Handelskrieg".  )
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Sep 11, 2014 16:26
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RIP Blacky Fuchsberger Phwoar, what a collection
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Randler posted:(I'm especially amused by the use of "Handelskrieg", because back when I went to school my social studies teacher docked me points because "there is no such thing as a Handelskrieg". I thought Handelskrieg is a trade war? What did your teacher mean that there's no such thing as a trade war...???
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eviljelly posted:I thought Handelskrieg is a trade war? What did your teacher mean that there's no such thing as a trade war...??? I assume he went to school before the Star Wars prequels came out so disuputes over trade weren't established as a thing that exists.
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Sep 12, 2014 08:38
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It's probably something about the definition of "war" that doesn't include mere trade disputes without any actual physical violence going on.
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Torrannor posted:It's probably something about the definition of "war" that doesn't include mere trade disputes without any actual physical violence going on. What about all the times countries went to war over trade disputes? Anglo-Dutch wars represent.
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Sep 12, 2014 12:52
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Should call it Zollkrieg?
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Randler posted:If the NPD getting seats gets you a chuckle, you should look up the quotes and policies of the mainstream leftists party SPD when it comes to immigration and social security. SPD hasn't been a "leftist" party since Schröder, welcome to 1998
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The same teacher also thought that the NATO never invoked article 5 and that the EU and the EC were the same thing. (Both opinions voiced in 2006.)  Teron D Amun posted:SPD hasn't been a "leftist" party since Schröder, welcome to 1998 Ah, the "No true leftist." response. Please humour me and tell me whether the SED was a leftist party. 
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Randler posted:Ah, the "No true leftist." response. Please humour me and tell me whether the SED was a leftist party. Either you're arguing that there's a logical obligation to accept the barest self-proclaimed ideological credentials of any political faction or you're suggesting that the SPD is similar to the SED and both of those are completely baffling arguments
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Zohar posted:Either you're arguing that there's a logical obligation to accept the barest self-proclaimed ideological credentials of any political faction or you're suggesting that the SPD is similar to the SED and both of those are completely baffling arguments No. I'm saying that the SPD falls in the political left category on any political compass that I've seen so far. The SED part is merely me asking if he is willing to double down and somehow decide that the SED wasn't truly left as well. While I don't like the SPD, I wouldn't suggest them to be on par with the SED. (Current affairs related: Will the SPD be voting for a Linke-Minister President in Thuringia and thereby screw over the "Die Linke is bad!" rhetoric at the Federal level?)
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Randler posted:No. I'm saying that the SPD falls in the political left category on any political compass that I've seen so far. The SED part is merely me asking if he is willing to double down and somehow decide that the SED wasn't truly left as well. While I don't like the SPD, I wouldn't suggest them to be on par with the SED. You probably haven't seen many (or indeed any) political compasses then Even the exceptionally tedious old favourite http://www.politicalcompass.org puts the SPD in the right wing
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Zohar posted:You probably haven't seen many (or indeed any) political compasses then For context: http://www.politicalcompass.org/germany2013 
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Yay, statistics battle. 
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Zohar posted:You probably haven't seen many (or indeed any) political compasses then According to that weird question thing I'm a slightly more anarchic Gandhi. That can't be true, considering I answered a lot of questions about the military in a positive manner. Well, I guess you can be like Gandhi and have nothing against shooting people sometimes.  Edit: Looks like the Greens line up best with my line of thought, which explains why I stopped giving my votes to other parties a long time ago.
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Randler posted:The elephant in the room being, of course, that the fringes of left and right are far more similiar than either of them would like to admit. (And not only due to the limitations of the monodimensional left-right scale.) But this is also true for political moderates with contradictory views: pro-income redistribution & pro-low taxes and that sort of thing. They just like "moderate" politics. Then there are people who jump from one extreme to the other. They tend to oscillate and bounce around a lot. I'm not really familiar with extreme rightists becoming extreme leftists. (I'm sure they're out there.) But there are a lot of cases like Horst Mahler who go in the opposite direction. A friend of mine does this but just on the left-wing side. I've seen him go from being an anarchist to a communist to a radical left-wing Christian to a progressive western-style Buddhist all in the span of a few short years. (I think there was a short-lived Maoist stage in there, too.) I've been to the book store with him when he would go religion-shopping. "I looked at these books on Islam, but ehhh..." And that's fine. It's just amusing the fervor that he'll throw himself into it every few months only for it to fade out, then he'll renew it with something else. It's just his personality. "Left <----> Right" is simple. People are more complicated. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Sep 12, 2014 |
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Omi-Polari posted:I think is true. There's also a lot of people who are attracted to extreme left or right movements not because they're "left" or "right" but because they're extreme (Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, cf. AfD.)
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