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IPCRESS posted:IF anyone didn't get your "Hang on to yo Butts" token(s), let you-know-who know now and more will be distributed in the mail. Tokens? How interesting. @Ensalience And is there any benefit to keeping Mk Infinity Gear as Mk Infinity if it stops scaling at lvl 50?
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alfheimwanderer posted:And is there any benefit to keeping Mk Infinity Gear as Mk Infinity if it stops scaling at lvl 50? Nah. Pop any mark infinity into the upgrader and it'll automatically convert to MkXII, often getting a bit of a boost in the process. That said, maybe wait a patch or two...
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DAVE!!!(c)(tm) posted:Don't pop the Nukara console into the upgrader. Funny story there...well, not so funny. Basically, too late for one of my chars, which is why I was asking. One other thing for my ROM - do I bother buying a T6 or fleet ship to upgrade, or respective to use Risian Cruiser?
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g0del posted:You can get a few from the recruit doff missions at the academy, and you can break down greens. I think most other methods require dil or zen. When we had actual advancement projects to fill I used to buy them off the exchange, but I haven't bothered since we maxed everything. It's been this way for weeks, you are entirely reliant on getting lucky with your crits to turn a marginal profit, and even then you will never make enough to recoup the cost of dil spent fast tracking. The entire market is dominated by dorks who don't get sunk costs. There is money to made on the upgrade rush though, who knows how long that will last though. Thronde posted:So is it worth testing/upgrading early or should I wait until they've unfuckered the system? I would just wait a week at this point. Grab your free poo poo for the event and just sit on it and wait for cryptic to fix some of the poo poo and for the pubbies to crash the tech market. It's not like you need mk xiii to do anything currently in the game and it takes no time to do so you don't need a three week head start.
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Lagomorphic posted:It's been this way for weeks, you are entirely reliant on getting lucky with your crits to turn a marginal profit, and even then you will never make enough to recoup the cost of dil spent fast tracking. The entire market is dominated by dorks who don't get sunk costs. There is money to made on the upgrade rush though, who knows how long that will last though. This is exactly how T2 invention works in EVE, and pubbies still don't get it over there either. True story, a friend of mine's corp requires every potential recruit to adequately explain the concept of opportunity cost and provide relevant examples as part of their interview process.
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Lagomorphic posted:It's been this way for weeks, you are entirely reliant on getting lucky with your crits to turn a marginal profit, and even then you will never make enough to recoup the cost of dil spent fast tracking. The entire market is dominated by dorks who don't get sunk costs. There is money to made on the upgrade rush though, who knows how long that will last though. Lagomorphic posted:I would just wait a week at this point. Grab your free poo poo for the event and just sit on it and wait for cryptic to fix some of the poo poo and for the pubbies to crash the tech market. It's not like you need mk xiii to do anything currently in the game and it takes no time to do so you don't need a three week head start.
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So hey, you know how for generic federation gear like, say, a Phaser Pistol, they're different in appearance and size as they go up in marks and quality and the Mk 1 looks like on the TV show and then the MK 9 is twice as big and the Purple Mk 11 is some obnoxious thing with holograms and poo poo? I wonder if you can upgrade the Mk 1 and keep the original look or if they change in appearance. :spacebarbies:
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I had to go digging for it in the bug report forums, but I found some small bit of information on what they plan to do about the gear hosed up by the upgrade system. http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19479521&postcount=3 CrypticFrost posted:
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I am glad to see even after all these years, STO still releases content exactly how they have always done: SNAFU
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MikeJF posted:So hey, you know how for generic federation gear like, say, a Phaser Pistol, they're different in appearance and size as they go up in marks and quality and the Mk 1 looks like on the TV show and then the MK 9 is twice as big and the Purple Mk 11 is some obnoxious thing with holograms and poo poo? I wonder if you can upgrade the Mk 1 and keep the original look or if they change in appearance.
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Hawk also mentioned that a full balance pass on weapon mods is in progress. Hopefully this will make [Dmg] something other than useless.
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Just a quick question- if I buy an Orion ship from the C-Store, does that mean I can buy Orion Slavers and put them on any ship on any character, or are they restricted to only Orion ships on the KDF side?
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Sep 26, 2014 20:59
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KDF side, but any ship. Even klankroms.
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MikeJF posted:So hey, you know how for generic federation gear like, say, a Phaser Pistol, they're different in appearance and size as they go up in marks and quality and the Mk 1 looks like on the TV show and then the MK 9 is twice as big and the Purple Mk 11 is some obnoxious thing with holograms and poo poo? I wonder if you can upgrade the Mk 1 and keep the original look or if they change in appearance. Also, according to Hawk, the devs realize that the random added mod on upgrade sucks and they might in the future change that somehow. Which probably means that in two years we'll still be dealing with random mods and the only players with matched sets of gold mk xiv weapons with appropriate mods will be whales and players with wesley-level wealth.
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FrostyJones posted:Hawk also mentioned that a full balance pass on weapon mods is in progress. Hopefully this will make [Dmg] something other than useless. I'm torn between "thank god" and "I'll believe it when I see it."
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Asimo posted:KDF side, but any ship. Even klankroms. Thanks- guess I'll be rolling a klankrom this weekend then.
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CommissarMega posted:Thanks- guess I'll be rolling a klankrom this weekend then.
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MikeJF posted:So hey, you know how for generic federation gear like, say, a Phaser Pistol, they're different in appearance and size as they go up in marks and quality and the Mk 1 looks like on the TV show and then the MK 9 is twice as big and the Purple Mk 11 is some obnoxious thing with holograms and poo poo? I wonder if you can upgrade the Mk 1 and keep the original look or if they change in appearance. I also wish I could scrape the Borg barnacles off my nice clean ship.
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eriktown posted:I also wish I could scrape the Borg barnacles off my nice clean ship. Disable visual effects on the console.
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MikeJF posted:So hey, you know how for generic federation gear like, say, a Phaser Pistol, they're different in appearance and size as they go up in marks and quality and the Mk 1 looks like on the TV show and then the MK 9 is twice as big and the Purple Mk 11 is some obnoxious thing with holograms and poo poo? I wonder if you can upgrade the Mk 1 and keep the original look or if they change in appearance.
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Nessus posted:One advantage of all of this is that it'll crash the dil-per-zen rate, at least.
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g0del posted:You can get a few from the recruit doff missions at the academy, and you can break down greens. I think most other methods require dil or zen. When we had actual advancement projects to fill I used to buy them off the exchange, but I haven't bothered since we maxed everything. Good to see that even though I haven't played in a while, crafting has only changed in its mechanics, not its actual usefulness. Virtually everything you could craft under the old system sold for significantly less than the materials you needed to build it. There were brief periods when the antiproton beam array (or DBB, or DHC, or something) sold for more than it cost to make, but not by much, and it wasn't consistent. Of course, since the crafted items were also poo poo, there was basically no reason to ever do it. Hooray for consistency. FrostyJones posted:Hawk also mentioned that a full balance pass on weapon mods is in progress. Hopefully this will make [Dmg] something other than useless. Balance adjustment, all weapon mods are now useless.
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Asimo posted:Yeah, it's already down to 163 and probably not stopping anytime soon.
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Not My Leg posted:Good to see that even though I haven't played in a while, crafting has only changed in its mechanics, not its actual usefulness. Virtually everything you could craft under the old system sold for significantly less than the materials you needed to build it. There were brief periods when the antiproton beam array (or DBB, or DHC, or something) sold for more than it cost to make, but not by much, and it wasn't consistent. Of course, since the crafted items were also poo poo, there was basically no reason to ever do it. Hooray for consistency.
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Cryptic/PWE/whatever their name is today: Beta testing on the release version since Wolf 359
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I just hope they can't do some massive rollback on upgrades. I said "gently caress it" and dumped a couple hundred thousand dil taking most of the gear on my main up a notch, and I'm stupid happy with the results. I just didn't do anything with stuff that has set bonuses, and had zero issues.
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There won't be rollbacks. That's way more effort than Cryptic is willing to put in.
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Asimo posted:Yeah, it's already down to 163 and probably not stopping anytime soon. What's causing this?
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Baron Porkface posted:What's causing this? People selling the zen they've acquired over the last year or so to get hundreds of thousands of dil for their upgrades. And pubbies/economics being what they are, the price drops the more people rush to get the new hotness.
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Baron Porkface posted:What is considered an execptionally low price? It's been months since it's been below 170. It was below 90 like a year and a half ago.
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Axe-man posted:Remember it is still Star Trek Online Beta. When they release the game in a few years it will all be fixed, or is that more a cryptic Also, I hope everyone has 2.8 million dil saved up to upgrade a ship to all gold gear.
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g0del posted:Claiming that it's still in beta is just snark I'm banking on boosters and other zen store/lockbox items to cut down on that number. Also, the experimental kits that we'll be able to make are supposed to increase the chance of rarity increase. Edit:VV It's more like 6-8 kits for that 5 percent. Not wonderful numbers, but double the chance for the same dil, hopefully decreasing the number of kits you'll need by a few. The ultra rare particles you'll need to make the experimental kits are fairly cheap right now comparatively or will be easy to get through the goon pastime of poopsocking. The salvage is gotten from doing elite STFs, which we'll do anyway. Also, at level 15 beams I'm criting on practically every kit project I do. DAVE!!!(c)(tm) fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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DAVE!!!(c)(tm) posted:I'm banking on boosters and other zen store/lockbox items to cut down on that number. Also, the experimental kits that we'll be able to make are supposed to increase the chance of rarity increase.
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Insert name here posted:I wish ground weapons had a cosmetic slot or something because so may of the weapons in the game look like rear end at MkXII but have better looking lower mark versions. Yeah, it's really annoying the variants I want more are all MkI whites.
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