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John Surtees won 7 Motorcycle Road Racing Championships (nowadays MotoGP, 4 x 350 cc and 3 x 500 cc), won isle of Man TT three times in a row before moving to Formula 1 and winning world Championship. A record that is pretty hard to beat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Surtees  Kimi Räikkönen did WRC during his hiatus from F1. He didn't do that well, but perhaps better than most other ex-Formula 1 guys? JJ Lehto (F1 podium, Le Mans winner: 2 overall, 3 in class) is actually quite fast in a rally car, but he has only participated in Arctic Rally (European Championship) in Finland and Rally Finland (WRC) and mostly with Group N cars. DoLittle fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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I've always regarded Surtees as the best overall racer, but strictly in the four wheel arena, no one can touch AJ Foyt. Indy champion, Indy 500 winner, Daytona 500 winner, multiple time sprint car champ, 24 Hours of Daytona, and overall winner of Le Mans (on his first try) in arguably the most important Le Mans ever. His career almost seems too Forrest Gumpy to be real. Dude won everything.
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SST should replace F1 cars. I want them to race Monaco and Spa. And everywhere else.
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VikingSkull posted:Eagle/Ford Those early Eagles were awesome.  The only American F1 driver to win in a car he constructed as well. Also, the Toyota Eagle MkIII isn't bad either:  VikingSkull posted:His career almost seems too Forrest Gumpy to be real. Dude won everything. That fact that he's even loving alive seems too Forrest Gumpy to be real.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Those early Eagles were awesome. Don't tell Smokey, he chopped his up to hell and back to get it to run how he wanted 
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VikingSkull posted:I've always regarded Surtees as the best overall racer, but strictly in the four wheel arena, no one can touch AJ Foyt. Indy champion, Indy 500 winner, Daytona 500 winner, multiple time sprint car champ, 24 Hours of Daytona, and overall winner of Le Mans (on his first try) in arguably the most important Le Mans ever. And he's got a name to match. I mean.. 'AJ Foyt', god drat now thats a name.
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he even raced lions in his spare time he's also disrespectful to the Dutch Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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One of the things I love about auto racing is the fact that people can race and succeed in different disciplines. I don't think any other competition athletic-wise has that kind of athlete crossover into other leagues. Racin' different kinda cars at a high level is AI poo poo.
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A lot of people disagree. In the SAS NASCAR thread a lot of people aren't happy with Kyle Busch, Brad Keselowski and a host of others who race in the Nationwide and/or Truck series, and after Tony Stewart's broken leg last year and the unfortunate incident this year, many people question why a star of his caliber races in so called "lower divisions". If they were racing at a small oval on a regular Saturday night, sure, that's a pro ball player going against a little league team, but most of those guys are racing in other, different national touring series. I dare someone to walk up to Steve Kinser and tell him that's it's unfair that Tony Stewart races with the World of Outlaws because the WoO is a lower form of racing. He'd smack a bitch. Today drivers are much more specialized and are much more valuable as the face of teams to the fans and sponsors, so when a guy like Smoke goes out and races a winged sprint, a modified, and a Cup car in the same week, it's all the more special. The best memory I have is last year when Smoke showed up at my local track with the Outlaws. Having never been there before (it's a flat 5/8ths mile, a very notorious track and the fastest the Outlaws go to every year), he set fast time and finished 3rd in the A-Main. I've been to that track hundreds of times, seen thousands of guys race there probably, and having a deep knowledge of what it takes to do what he did, well, nothing is going to impress me in his career more than that. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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VikingSkull posted:I've always regarded Surtees as the best overall racer, but strictly in the four wheel arena, no one can touch AJ Foyt. Indy champion, Indy 500 winner, Daytona 500 winner, multiple time sprint car champ, 24 Hours of Daytona, and overall winner of Le Mans (on his first try) in arguably the most important Le Mans ever. Read his book way back when I was in middle school. Dude owns.
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Yeah his book and Smokey Yunick's autobiography should be required reading in AI
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Tahm Bwady posted:One of the things I love about auto racing is the fact that people can race and succeed in different disciplines. I don't think any other competition athletic-wise has that kind of athlete crossover into other leagues. Racin' different kinda cars at a high level is AI poo poo. You often get people who might play college basketball and go on to play NFL football, or similar sorts of things. Bo Jackson was notably very successful as both a football and baseball player. Those are arguably much different than different sorts of auto racing. It's more like an Olympic runner who competes in maybe 5k, 10k, marathon or steeplechase. Or a cyclist who competes in the various indoor disciplines as well as the tour type cross country races, and maybe does mountain biking in the off season.
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If anything it's like a decathlon athlete, it falls under a general tab of "track and field" but the actual events vary wildly in skillset required. If you race the three divisions of NASCAR it's like a 5k, 10k and a marathon, but sprint cars, Indycars and stock cars, for example, are three completely different skillsets.
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Reading about AJ Foyt on wikipedia lead me to this car that I had no idea existed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Aerotech  30 years before the Veyron was made, this thing was breaking speed records with one-quarter of the cylinders. Obviously it's way lighter and not a production vehicle at all, but still.
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Not to mention that in most diciplines, it's not how good you are, it's how much money you get thrown at you, or can throw at yourself. See: -danica patrick sucking in everything -ken block destroying his car repeatedly -robbie gordon having 6 wins in his 200some nascar starts. in 08 he 3 top 10s in 40 races and still won $4 mil -travis pastrana in nascar -marco andretti
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Powershift posted:Not to mention that in most diciplines, it's not how good you are, it's how much money you get thrown at you, or can throw at yourself. dogecar
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In 1967 and 1977 AJ Foyt won the Indy 500 driving two different Coyote chassis, Ford powered cars. 1967  1977  Why is that special? Well Coyote was the name AJ gave to the chassis that he designed and built. Yes, he could even design and build Indianapolis 500 winning cars. He is a special, special guy. Here he is working on his car during a race (around 3:30 or so). That was rare in drivers of the time, it's even more rare nowadays. e- Here's his career summary from Wikipedia quote:-Foyt drove in the Indianapolis 500 for 35 consecutive years, winning it four times (the first of only three to do so). e2- Bonus! Here he is trying to set open wheel racing back a decade Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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VikingSkull posted:If anything it's like a decathlon athlete, it falls under a general tab of "track and field" but the actual events vary wildly in skillset required. If you race the three divisions of NASCAR it's like a 5k, 10k and a marathon, but sprint cars, Indycars and stock cars, for example, are three completely different skillsets. Yep. I'd argue that we'll never see anyone again who can (or would even have the opportunity) put up a list of race wins anywhere near Foyt, or even Mario or Gurney or anyone else mentioned here. Tony Stewart is the only guy who comes close but even then the modern racing world doesn't really allow it.
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Smoke may not end up with the win totals of AJ, Mario, etc, but he's still had a similar career in terms of championships and different types of cars won in. You can't judge guys from different eras against each other, but I'd counter the lack of wins with the fact that competition is much stiffer across the board nowadays. Even AJ Foyt didn't pull off the Triple Crown in USAC, and the guy that did it after Stewart did was racing against a very weakened field of cars.
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Powershift posted:
I don't consider repeatedly destroying a car as a negative against a driver *if* they get results.
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El Scotch posted:I don't consider repeatedly destroying a car as a negative against a driver *if* they get results. Ken Block gets a pass from me because he made all that money himself and is basically a gentleman racer from ye olde days. Plus his gymkhana videos were really cool at first. Pastrana and Robbie Gordon also shouldn't be on that list because they are legends in the field of motorsport they originated in.
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The point is that they aren't in multiple diciplins of racing simply because they're good enough at racing. I'm not saying they're not great at what they do, or don't belong there at all, I'm just saying it's not that special to buy your way into a sport. It's just not a fair comparison to other sports where money and name has no bearing on who is invited to compete at the highest level. If you could buy your way onto a proffesional sports team, something something michael jordan baseball something something. If i had the money to do poo poo like that, i'd do it, but it doesn't make someone a more impressive athelete because for competing the highest level in multiple diciplines in which the entry requirement is paying for your own equipment. You've completely ignored the origin of the discussion if you're giving anybody a pass.
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Aargh posted:not to take anything away from the fella, but I don't know if I'd say his E30 was in a winning position when he had a heart attack. That's true, but I prefer to think of that as Paul Morris' fault, not Denny's :kiwi:
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Powershift posted:The point is that they aren't in multiple diciplins of racing simply because they're good enough at racing. The origin of the discussion was Robbie Gordon. Yeah, his dad was a famous racer in the off road circle but his wins there got him noticed and hired as a driver elsewhere, he didn't buy those seats. There's plenty of people who do that, like Milka Duno, Michael Annett, John Wes townley etc. Pay drivers are a thing, and I agree with your general point, but the guys I singled out don't fit that mold. Block made that money himself and does it as a hobby, Pastrana brought publicity and a sponsor but was a racer who did it the hard way at first, and Gordon did actually get his rides based on his talent. Racing is expensive and people buying seats at the top has always and will always be A Thing. I mean, I'd say that Paul Newman bought his way into a sport that he had no business being in and only got there by being rich, but at the end of the day he proved that he had talent. Sometimes the money has to get put up first before you can audition your talent.
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Powershift posted:If you could buy your way onto a proffesional sports team, something something michael jordan baseball something something. Dr Jack Miller, the Racing Dentist! 
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Yeah, see, Dr Jack had no business in an Indycar
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Powershift posted:If you could buy your way onto a proffesional sports team, something something michael jordan baseball something something. Michael Jordan was actually turning into a half-decent ball player by the time he gave it up. Must have been the all the Back on topic, the fact that AJ Foyt seems to be unkillable must certainly have helped his career. Here's an example: quote:In addition to surviving open-wheel racing's dangerous 1960s, Foyt almost drowned as a teenager, endured a plane crash, survived a massive accident in a CART race in Elkhart Lake, Wis., and in recent years was stung by more than 200 killer bees and flipped his farm tractor into a pond.
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Here's AJ's three worst crashes, he should have been killed instantly in any of the three. 1965 NASCAR Motor Trend 500 @ Riverside <--- broken back and other small injuries 1981 CART Michigan 500 <--- right arm almost amputated, other injuries 1990 CART Texaco/Havoline 200 @ Road America <--- shattered both legs, both almost amputated, other injuries (notice the tire tracks in the sand trap) Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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awesome ai car poo poo: Remember those guys putting the drivetrain from a celica gtfour into a mini? They're back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0wMIF6EPfY
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Did he call for backup or was it already there?
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cursedshitbox posted:Did he call for backup or was it already there? "Oh, hey Ted."
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Wild EEPROM posted:awesome ai car poo poo:
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Wild EEPROM posted:awesome ai car poo poo: Came here to post that, I have the biggest boner for these guys. It kills me it'll probably be another year+ until they're done / the videos come out.
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dreesemonkey posted:Came here to post that, I have the biggest boner for these guys. It kills me it'll probably be another year+ until they're done / the videos come out. But man oh man is it gonna be amazing when it is finished.
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dreesemonkey posted:Came here to post that, I have the biggest boner for these guys. It kills me it'll probably be another year+ until they're done / the videos come out. Yeah they take 2 months between videos every time. The longest wait.
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Yeah they take 2 months between videos every time. The longest wait. I think you mean they WORK 2 months between videos.
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Being great at different disciplines also has a lot to do with willpower/drive. Gunde Svan, a former swedish cross-country skier won four golds, one silver and one bronze medal at the Winter Olympics during his career. He also won seven golds, three silvers and one bronze at the World Ski Championships, plus winning the World Cup five times. After retiring from skiing, he took up rallycross. quote:As a competitor in rallycross he got one gold medal in the Swedish Championship and a bronze medal in the FIA European Championship for Rallycross Drivers (1995: Division 1 – Group N category; with a Toyota Celica GT-Four). One of the reasons for getting into another sport was that some people called him a natural skier while he himself maintained that it's just a matter of will and dedication, according to his famous tagline "nothing is impossible". He applied the same methods to his driving as his skiing and even built his own reaction-tester to practice the for rallycross eminently important starts.
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Throatwarbler posted:Micro cars you say?    
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