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Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

podcat posted:

thats a good point. Other than that if you could fix a bug or change one (not overly advanced) thing in V2 what would it be?

For America, cut down on the goddamn great awakening messages. No, I don't care that some yokels in Montana want to stamp out wickedness, busy trying to kill Confederates over here.

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GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
Man, I don't know how you write your localisation files like you do. Everything is just thrown together like a mess. Makes it almost impossible to just copy the files over without completely rewriting them if you want to cut out stuff you don't need.

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

podcat posted:

thats a good point. Other than that if you could fix a bug or change one (not overly advanced) thing in V2 what would it be?

That "crisis just ends if only the crisis beneficiary gets a GP to help him" thing. I mean what the gently caress is that poo poo.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

TheMcD posted:

That "crisis just ends if only the crisis beneficiary gets a GP to help him" thing. I mean what the gently caress is that poo poo.

Yup this is the absolute worst. If only one side of a crisis gets a backer then the other side should get the choice to either concede or fight the war without GP help.

Zohar
Jul 14, 2013

Good kitty

TheMcD posted:

That "crisis just ends if only the crisis beneficiary gets a GP to help him" thing. I mean what the gently caress is that poo poo.

:agreed:

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
Yeah, it's always stupid to watch the Romanian crisis fizzle out for a decade or two until war finally does break-out and we can go onto the next worthless crisis.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."
I love the political intrigue that occurs in Victoria 2 - things like a random crisis in the middle of nowhere flaring up into an excuse for a world war is fantastic. I do want more ways to use diplomacy though; I want ways to support rebels, ways to incite crises as a great power (with the inciter automatically backing the incited side), and generally more ways to mess with people. I'd also like selective tariffs where I can tariff things like manufactured goods to benefit my industries, while leaving raw goods without tariffs so that other nations are incentivised to ship me unprocessed goods.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


That stuff will have to wait till Vicky 3 though, as the economics system can't really support things like that, and the influence system works more like The Boring Game instead of The Great Game.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Funky Valentine posted:

For America, cut down on the goddamn great awakening messages. No, I don't care that some yokels in Montana want to stamp out wickedness, busy trying to kill Confederates over here.

This holy poo poo. Or when every province needs to announce its discovery of dynamite or electricity.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Raskolnikov38 posted:

This holy poo poo. Or when every province needs to announce its discovery of dynamite or electricity.

Aw poo poo, my ally dragged me into a war with Russia and France, okay time fo

*ELECTRICTY*

okay thats nice Prague now i have to organi

*WE HAVE NITRO*

THATS NICE PRAGUE now let me get my defensive line se

*WE DUN GOT TRACTORS MA*

truly industrialized war is hell.

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

There he go

NEED TOILET PAPER
Mar 22, 2013

by XyloJW

podcat posted:

thats a good point. Other than that if you could fix a bug or change one (not overly advanced) thing in V2 what would it be?

The other day I was playing as the Ottomans when the Prussians started making noise about Austria-dminated Lombardia. OK, no big deal, they'll probably reach a white peace or something and we can all get on with our lives. They didn't, so war broke out with Austria, Russia, and France fighting the Ottomans (myself), Prussia, and the UK. I held out well enough, knocking back French landings in Albania and Austrian incursions into Bosnia, as well as Russians in Bulgaria. It looked like the war was going to be won--especially since Prussia was kicking rear end in Poland--when those Prussian assholes added another wargoal and wouldn't peace out unless they got everything they wanted. By that point, the war had seriously started to turn against us, so I promptly loaded a save I made before the crisis war broke out and left Prussia to the wolves.

They still won, and managed to force Austria to release the Banat for good measure.

So basically I would really like it if I could peace out of a crisis war, since my meager manpower reserves were getting destroyed in a war that a third party was prolonging for no good reason.

Funky Valentine posted:

For America, cut down on the goddamn great awakening messages. No, I don't care that some yokels in Montana want to stamp out wickedness, busy trying to kill Confederates over here.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

This holy poo poo. Or when every province needs to announce its discovery of dynamite or electricity.

TheMcD posted:

That "crisis just ends if only the crisis beneficiary gets a GP to help him" thing. I mean what the gently caress is that poo poo.

These too.

Epinephrine
Nov 7, 2008
You know what would be tremendously awesome? If the icon that told us that Pdox devs had posted in a thread on their forums also was a link to pull up all the things that they've posted there. Go through 26 pages of spergs about German organizational superiority to find the half dozen posts from the devs about the new OOB system? No, thanks.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Epinephrine posted:

You know what would be tremendously awesome? If the icon that told us that Pdox devs had posted in a thread on their forums also was a link to pull up all the things that they've posted there. Go through 26 pages of spergs about German organizational superiority to find the half dozen posts from the devs about the new OOB system? No, thanks.

What would be better would be if Paradox banned all the people on their forums from ever posting and then delete the forums and then post exclusively to this thread.

bUm
Jan 11, 2011

podcat posted:

thats a good point. Other than that if you could fix a bug or change one (not overly advanced) thing in V2 what would it be?
Not sure if this qualifies as not overly advanced, but: give Capitalists at least ant brains with if/then statements to recognize if there's a queue of otherwise funded factories that can't be built because lacking a single resource (cement, machine parts, and electric gears seem to be frequent and multi-year hang-ups I come across), then build the necessary factory (with preferential resource buying if it needs said lacking commodity to build it) to fix it so you don't have to change political parties or save edit to stop your (and, usually, the global) economy from grinding to a halt because the only major producer of it lost a war and everyone else was too dumb to build their own to capitalize on the massive demand/supply mismatch.

A lot of the other suggestions are spot on as well.

Epinephrine posted:

You know what would be tremendously awesome? If the icon that told us that Pdox devs had posted in a thread on their forums also was a link to pull up all the things that they've posted there.
This is a pretty nifty forum feature some developers have these days, even if I rarely use it since official forums are just terrible.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Raskolnikov38 posted:

This holy poo poo. Or when every province needs to announce its discovery of dynamite or electricity.

There was a mod that moved these and the election events to either a state-wide or nation-wide level so you only got them a few times or once ever. Wish I could remember which one that was.

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

As much as I like the idea of fixing the whole "crises fizzle out if the defender can't find a backer" thing, if I could change one thing about Victoria II I'd make it use EUIV's aggressive expansion mechanic rather than infamy. In the only Paradox game I've ever finished to completion even after all these years, in the late game I as Persia was constantly fighting off Great Britain, France, Spain, Russia, and I think some of the German powers as well every few years, simultaneously, because they were outraged about the land I was taking in the Arabian peninsula. It wasn't even like forcing me to release the Arab lands as their spherelings so the Europeans could control oil supplies or anything like that, just a bunch of wars of containment because they were all pissed off about it. Aggressive expansion would be really great in that game.

That may fall outside the scope of "not overly advanced," though. If that's the case, count me as another vote for fixing the crisis defender thing.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Autonomous Monster posted:

In my one and only GameDevTycoon playthrough, one of my first games was Kaiserreich. It sold alright, not spectacularly, but alright, so I decided to spin the franchise out and see what I could make of it. This eventually culminated in the smash-hit KaiserFist II: Now That's What I Call Punching!, a third-person brawler in which you play a bare-chested, bare-knuckle and heavily moustachioed Kaiser Wilhelm II kicking the poo poo out of syndies on the western front. This was, in fact, so popular that it propelled me into super-stardom and landed me in an essentially infinite pit of money.

Alas, the other line of spinoffs- Kaiserreich: World Revolution, a sort of strategy/rpg hybrid where you control a team of UoB spies trying to topple tyrannies and install communism across the globe while being undercut and sidelined by a Maximalist executive that never really cared about The Cause anyway (:anarchists:)- never really took off, no matter how many shots I gave it. :smith:

These are both solid gold ideas for a game, get on it Pdox.

Also this comes up every now and then, and now it's my turn to ask (probably not for the first time) : navies in DH. What composition? I always do well with Thirty loving Thousand Submarines or Air Armada Of NAVs That Blot Out The Sun but I'd like to play with surface fleets sometimes.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Mister Adequate posted:

These are both solid gold ideas for a game, get on it Pdox.

Also this comes up every now and then, and now it's my turn to ask (probably not for the first time) : navies in DH. What composition? I always do well with Thirty loving Thousand Submarines or Air Armada Of NAVs That Blot Out The Sun but I'd like to play with surface fleets sometimes.

Carrier Death Fleet: 15 CV, 15 CA

Cruiser Death Fleet: 30 CA

You can throw in some DDs for submarine defense. You've already mastered the Submarine Death Fleet.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!
Nav bombers are way better than any surface fleet you can hope to build.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

podcat posted:

thats a good point. Other than that if you could fix a bug or change one (not overly advanced) thing in V2 what would it be?

Aside from things which people have suggested already that I agree with, every country should have communist, socialist and fascist parties programmed in from the earliest date those ideologies become active. The fact that a county didn't get a socialist party in real life until 1880 shouldn't prevent the country from adopting that ideology ahead of schedule in the game if circumstances would suggest it.

Alternatively, some much bigger blinking neon sign right bang smack in the middle of the screen reminding me to research a technology if I don't pick a new research goal after the previous one finishes. Like, one of those major event things with the flags and such, preferably titled "Pick a loving research project, idiot"

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
If I could fix one thing it would be to get a team working on Victoria III. :colbert:

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Reveilled posted:

Alternatively, some much bigger blinking neon sign right bang smack in the middle of the screen reminding me to research a technology if I don't pick a new research goal after the previous one finishes. Like, one of those major event things with the flags and such, preferably titled "Pick a loving research project, idiot"

I've never really found this to be a problem in Vicky 2, but it's been a huge one for me in Darkest Hour. Please make a "You have unused research slots" event or something for Hearts of Iron IV.

FeculentWizardTits
Aug 31, 2001

Funky Valentine posted:

For America, cut down on the goddamn great awakening messages. No, I don't care that some yokels in Montana want to stamp out wickedness, busy trying to kill Confederates over here.

Piggybacking onto this, for the pop-up events that require a choice on the player's part, a "Remember my decision" checkbox that applies your choice to all future instances of that pop-up would do wonders to help with the obnoxious message spam.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

NEED TOILET PAPER posted:

So basically I would really like it if I could peace out of a crisis war, since my meager manpower reserves were getting destroyed in a war that a third party was prolonging for no good reason.
One suggestion might be to make peacing out always an option, but at the cost of prestige. Additional wargoals added on top of the original goal would reduce this significantly.

HisMajestyBOB
Oct 21, 2010


College Slice

Kavak posted:

I've never really found this to be a problem in Vicky 2, but it's been a huge one for me in Darkest Hour. Please make a "You have unused research slots" event or something for Hearts of Iron IV.

I set the "research complete" popup to autopause, then I immediately set a new research goal when it appears. Works for both games, but a thing that appears at the top of the screen when you can set a new research target,like EuIII n CK2 have for CBs, etc, would be cool.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


HisMajestyBOB posted:

I set the "research complete" popup to autopause, then I immediately set a new research goal when it appears. Works for both games, but a thing that appears at the top of the screen when you can set a new research target,like EuIII n CK2 have for CBs, etc, would be cool.

It doesn't always work perfectly is the problem- a little notification would be grand.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Kavak posted:

It doesn't always work perfectly is the problem- a little notification would be grand.

The way "set popup to pause" works is it pauses the game, but it's a temporary pause until you click, well, anything else. When it appears you need to make sure you pause normally ASAP on top of the popup pause, then select your research.

e; If I'd change a thing in V2, other than the message spam and the crisis backer thing, it would be making reforms/politics somewhat less non-sensical. It makes no sense that socialists are not in favour of expanding suffrage or expanding trade union rights, it makes no sense that ruling party policy (residency/limited citizenship/full citizenship) can instantly disenfranchise huge parts of the population, or that accepted/non-accepted culture pops might potentially vote for a party that would disenfranchise them.

Also I've had "49.56% of the Upper House would support this reform" a few times too many so giving you some way to force reforms through if they're very close to passing (at the cost of enraging your reactionary/conservative population or eroding your population's support of democracy) would be something I'd love.

YF-23 fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Sep 29, 2014

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Kavak posted:

Carrier Death Fleet: 15 CV, 15 CA

Cruiser Death Fleet: 30 CA

You can throw in some DDs for submarine defense. You've already mastered the Submarine Death Fleet.

If you put destroyers in the heavy cruiser fleet it goes from being invulnerable to subs to being vulnerable to subs. Don't do it.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Gort posted:

If you put destroyers in the heavy cruiser fleet it goes from being invulnerable to subs to being vulnerable to subs. Don't do it.

How is it invulnerable to subs beforehand?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


podcat posted:

thats a good point. Other than that if you could fix a bug or change one (not overly advanced) thing in V2 what would it be?

Fix America's Manifest Destiny cores to enable the player to viably play as the CSA / Deseret / California / Columbia / Texas without the United States getting vast swathes of free cores and annexing you a couple years later.

Off the top of my head, one way to resolve this would be: instead of giving the USA cores on all of these provinces carte blanche, you could implement an EU4-style mission system (or pack it into decisions) where the US is awarded these cores more slowly on a state-by-state or region-by-region basis, but only if certain conditions are met. For example, if I'm playing as the California Republic and maintain good relations with the US (or have a sufficiently strong alliance backing me), there should be no reason for them to suddenly DoW me with annexation in mind.

How you'd work this for an independent CSA though, I have no idea. Maybe if the CSA "wins" the war with a white peace, start a timer whereby the USA cores on CSA expire after a certain amount of time. If the USA presses the claims in a Second Civil War and the CSA survives it again, remove the USA cores permanently (as at that point the Union would have tried and failed twice to re-integrate the South).

Edit: or just scrap the entire core system that V2 currently has and implement something that's much more similar to EU4's, just on a smaller timescale for core expiration.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

Epinephrine posted:

You know what would be tremendously awesome? If the icon that told us that Pdox devs had posted in a thread on their forums also was a link to pull up all the things that they've posted there. Go through 26 pages of spergs about German organizational superiority to find the half dozen posts from the devs about the new OOB system? No, thanks.

Hope you don't need your mind anymore, cause it's about to be blown:
1) You see to the right of thread titles it has "Replies: X"?
2) You can totally click that X number to see a list of everyone who has replied in that thread with "Posts: Y" showing how many times.
3) Click the Y number to see only those posts.

So you can fairly quickly filer a thread for only Podcat's posts, or only mine, or only HerrRommelXXX69's - I won't judge.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

V2 Feature: Crisis Guarantee Treaties.

I pick a side in a crisis? You automatically join me on that side. And vice-versa.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Darkrenown posted:

Hope you don't need your mind anymore, cause it's about to be blown:
1) You see to the right of thread titles it has "Replies: X"?
2) You can totally click that X number to see a list of everyone who has replied in that thread with "Posts: Y" showing how many times.
3) Click the Y number to see only those posts.

So you can fairly quickly filer a thread for only Podcat's posts, or only mine, or only HerrRommelXXX69's - I won't judge.

I guess it's typical of Paradox design to place useful features under a cascade of obscure and hidden menus.

Lord Windy
Mar 26, 2010
I am so excited for HOI4, I think I am in the minority as a person who loved the poo poo out of HOI3 and the changes I am seeing for 4 is getting me very excited. In particular, I like the plane changes with them being built daily and the whole research system for them.

Does Paradox do beta testing?

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Lord Windy posted:

I am so excited for HOI4, I think I am in the minority as a person who loved the poo poo out of HOI3 and the changes I am seeing for 4 is getting me very excited. In particular, I like the plane changes with them being built daily and the whole research system for them.

Does Paradox do beta testing? Can I have a free copy early?

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

HoI 4 had better have an SA easter egg event for conquering Paris as Sweden. :colbert:

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


I've been reading HoI4 dev diaries all morning and I'm getting seriously excited for it too. I recently tried (again) to get back into HoI3, since I know it has its fans, but I really just can't. And Darkest Hour runs like a turd for me on Windows 8.1.

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Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Kavak posted:

How is it invulnerable to subs beforehand?

For some reason heavy cruiser-only fleets sit outside of the maximum range of subs when engaging them, so the subs don't get to shoot them.

They don't have much sub attack, so they don't do much damage to them, but repeated encounters will sink the subs with no threat to the cruisers at all.

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