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I really liked the "How is Ayn Rand Still a Thing" segment.
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Sep 29, 2014 12:25
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They didn't even have to bring up her love for an imprisoned serial killer.
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Sep 29, 2014 12:52
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Narcissus1916 posted:I knew more about the issue just by occasionally following blogs like Andrew Sullivan's Said no one ever. Apoplexy posted:They didn't even have to bring up her love for an imprisoned serial killer. Or accepting Social Security and Medicare when she became eligible for them. Her justification for it is pretty  too.
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Sep 29, 2014 13:17
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GaussianCopula posted:It seems to me they are running out of steam (I only watch the youtube segment because I dont enjoy the shorter bits that much) lately. I think you were looking for Last Week [REDACTED] with Oliver North, this is Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. I can see how that would be an easy mistake to make.
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Sep 29, 2014 15:13
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I'm surprised how they didn't mention that Ayn Rand is from Russia, which is why she has a crazy bizarro view of how capitalism is supposed to work. It's also why her name is so weird, she took it when she moved here to sound less foreign.
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Sep 29, 2014 16:29
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PassTheRemote posted:I really liked the "How is Ayn Rand Still a Thing" segment. You'd think they could find an actual philosopher with at least a thinly veiled selfish distain for the average person. The fact that people hold up Ayn Rand - who must have gotten a Bartlett's and read and stupidly misinterpreted a couple Nietzsche quotes - speaks to the deep-seated anti-intellectualism of most republicans. I mean, Bob Nozick at least. Though, in that case they'd actually have to wrestle with the implications of liberalism as opposed to just screaming "have you read ATLAS SHRUGGED!?"
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Sep 29, 2014 16:32
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comes along bort posted:Or accepting Social Security and Medicare when she became eligible for them. Her justification for it is pretty "Altruism is wrong, but feel free to take advantage of the suckers who feel otherwise."
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Sep 29, 2014 17:07
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GaussianCopula posted:It seems to me they are running out of steam (I only watch the youtube segment because I dont enjoy the shorter bits that much) lately. We are not in an official war besides the Korean War. You do identify people before you kill them, because you don't want to kill civilians. We are not terrorists, we have morals and laws to uphold and abide by. You are a really bad troll.
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Sep 29, 2014 20:12
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InflateableFerret posted:We are not in an official war besides the Korean War. You do identify people before you kill them, because you don't want to kill civilians. We are not terrorists, we have morals and laws to uphold and abide by. You are a really bad troll. He is right that by not identify every last enemy combatant before you kill him you are committing a war crime.
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Sep 29, 2014 20:26
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comes along bort posted:Or accepting Social Security and Medicare when she became eligible for them. Her justification for it is pretty poo poo I never knew this. Now I'm even angrier about the shittiness & hypocrisy of Atlas Shrugged, what was her excuse?
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Sep 30, 2014 02:39
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:poo poo I never knew this. Now I'm even angrier about the shittiness & hypocrisy of Atlas Shrugged, what was her excuse? The brilliant part of living your life by a philosophy of base selfishness is that you don't need an excuse for any of your bullshit. Edit: "How can you preach the virtues of society based around self-interest and then accept government welfare? . . . "I think I just answered my own question." Paper Kaiju fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Sep 30, 2014 |
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Sep 30, 2014 02:51
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comes along bort posted:Or accepting Social Security and Medicare when she became eligible for them. Her justification for it is pretty
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Sep 30, 2014 02:55
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That's exactly why it's that way. The whole ideology is "gently caress you got mine" and doing everything in self-interest and nothing but. It's basically about as Darwinist as you can be without having evolved from a social context in the slightest. Edit: which is why being against abortion for the "useless" makes no sense and is probably why Ayn Rand was totally for abortion. Women's rights my rear end. She probably wanted to sterilize the "unworthy."
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Sep 30, 2014 03:04
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:poo poo I never knew this. Now I'm even angrier about the shittiness & hypocrisy of Atlas Shrugged, what was her excuse? Just read this excellent illustrated biography of Ayn Rand: http://activatecomix.com/162-1-1.comic It would have been nice if LWT did a major-length piece to take down Ayn Rand. After all, every video on the official YouTube channel pisses off internet libertarians, so why not go full hog?
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Sep 30, 2014 05:06
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Ayn Rand's biggest philosophical accomplishment was being able to ignore the works of any real philosopher, and somehow make the argument that even if you find holes in her philosophy, it doesn't invalidate anything.
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Sep 30, 2014 06:59
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EIN!! Rand actually sounds more like a name for fitting in with the Germans than Americans.
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Sep 30, 2014 07:00
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Wow, the Ayn Rand segment was the laziest thing this show has every done. "We don't agree with Ayn Rand's philosophy and, uh, she didn't like Reagan or Indians. That's all we got  "
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Oct 1, 2014 21:30
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Libertarian spotted.
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Oct 1, 2014 21:37
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Shadow posted:Libertarian spotted. I just think its funny, is all. Its like they just decided they didn't need to conduct research or write a compelling narrative for their pointless smear piece. It was basically, "How about that Ayn Rand, amirite?"
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Oct 1, 2014 21:43
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They did more research into Ayn Rand than most of her followers have done, I assure you.
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Oct 1, 2014 21:50
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Irish Joe posted:Wow, the Ayn Rand segment was the laziest thing this show has every done. It was more how she has so many republican followers and at the same time has so many views that they disagree with.
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Oct 1, 2014 21:52
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Irish Joe posted:Its like they just decided they didn't need to conduct research or write a compelling narrative for their pointless smear piece. to be fair tho they dont, because it's ayn rand and she was a self-evident idiot without an interesting, coherent, or positive thought in her entire worthless life
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Oct 1, 2014 21:55
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The bulk of the Ayn Rand piece was contrasting things Ayn Rand literally said, often on tape, with things her modern day followers believe, and then wondering how she's still a thing when her form of objectivism has no place in modern politics. How was it a smear piece?
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Oct 1, 2014 21:57
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Irish Joe posted:Wow, the Ayn Rand segment was the laziest thing this show has every done. Irish Joe posted:I just think its funny, is all. Its like they just decided they didn't need to conduct research or write a compelling narrative for their pointless smear piece. It was basically, "How about that Ayn Rand, amirite?" What would go in your compelling ayn rand narrative?
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Oct 1, 2014 21:57
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Its almost like that wasn't the main segment of the week, unlike previous hard hitting reports such as "How is dressing up like other races still a thing".
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Oct 1, 2014 21:58
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1 800 J JAMES posted:Its almost like that wasn't the main segment of the week, unlike previous hard hitting reports such as "How is dressing up like other races still a thing".
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Oct 1, 2014 21:59
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Irish Joe posted:Wow, the Ayn Rand segment was the laziest thing this show has every done. The segment is called "How is this still a thing?" and there are few things that make me think that more often than Ayn Rand and her followers.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:01
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I love LWT's newest weekly segment: Irish Joe Trolls the Thread.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:02
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JT Jag posted:The bulk of the Ayn Rand piece was contrasting things Ayn Rand literally said, often on tape, with things her modern day followers believe, and then wondering how she's still a thing when her form of objectivism has no place in modern politics. How was it a smear piece? It was a smear piece because it attempted to discredit an ideology by making snide comments about its founder's personal beliefs. What Rand thought about Reagan or Indians has nothing to do with the substance of The Fountainhead's political ideology. It would be like saying Civil Rights is wrong because MLK Jr. cheated on his wife or that philosophy is bullshit because Aristotle was an elitist piece of poo poo. One thing has nothing to do with the other and its disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:09
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The Indian bit was somewhat irrelevant, but Ayn Rand's opinions regarding Reagan is certainly relevant in regards to the many mainstream Republicans who quote her like gospel. Remember, the segment wasn't named "Ayn Rand Is Bad", it was named "Why Is This Still A Thing." Ayn Rand had many positions which contradict those of her modern-day followers, so the question is why they still hold her up as some peerless political philosopher.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:13
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Irish Joe posted:It was a smear piece because it attempted to discredit an ideology by making snide comments about its founder's personal beliefs. What Rand thought about Reagan or Indians has nothing to do with the substance of The Fountainhead's political ideology. the fountainhead has no political ideology beyond "be a prick, forever" because ayn rand was a talentless hack and her followers are all dumber than she is if that's even possible
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Oct 1, 2014 22:14
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JT Jag posted:The Indian bit was somewhat irrelevant, but Ayn Rand's opinions regarding Reagan is certainly relevant in regards to the many mainstream Republicans who quote her like gospel. Remember, the segment wasn't named "Ayn Rand Is Bad", it was named "Why Is This Still A Thing." Ayn Rand had many positions which contradict those of her modern-day followers, so the question is why they still hold her up as some peerless political philosopher. Yep they even said this in the segment. It was not an attempt to discredit a stupid ideology, but asking why she is still considered so important when her actions go against what her followers believe.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:22
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Yeah, I'm not sure what ideology you can pull from Ayn Rand's bullshit. Be a selfish as you possibly can. Care about no one but yourself. Do things only in your (and yours alone) best possible interest. How it affects others doesn't matter in the slightest. I said it before, but this is Darwinian Economics in its purest sense. Total survival of the fittest mentality. If your business practices result in millions of people losing their job and homes, there should be no safety net for them. At all. If you're ever called on it when you as a company CEO, say, take a government bail out it's quite simple. You are taking advantage of something that benefits you. Why wouldn't you take it? That said, no one else should be able to. In a modern society, this entire "ideology" is disgusting. This is why people who love Ayn Rand get mocked openly by people possessing a conscience. Her entire platform is "gently caress you, got mine," and helping your fellow man is bullshit unless it DIRECTLY BENEFITS YOU. If that's your ideal philosophy then you, like Ayn Rand, are a loving rear end in a top hat.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:23
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hcreight posted:I love LWT's newest weekly segment: Irish Joe Trolls the Thread. Yup. Wonder if this is going to become a regular weekly feature.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:28
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JT Jag posted:so the question is why they still hold her up as some peerless political philosopher. You can't expect any two people to be in 100% agreement, 100% of the time. Reasonable people can disagree on some issues while still reaching consensus on others.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:28
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Y'all gettin Irish Joe'd on the weekly.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:34
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Irish Joe posted:You can't expect any two people to be in 100% agreement, 100% of the time. Reasonable people can disagree on some issues while still reaching consensus on others. Because that's what modern conservatives do with Rand's work. "Read this and you'll understand everything! But don't read TOO thoroughly or you might pick up some bad ideas!" Brock Samson posted:Y'all gettin Irish Joe'd on the weekly.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:44
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JT Jag posted:So are you saying that as long as someone agrees with one thing someone else said, then it's ok if they mischaracterize or marginalize everything else that other person said as long as it furthers the goal of spreading the one thing they agree with? I don't think its as big a misappropriation as you make it seem. Republicans generally limit themselves to Rand's literary canon, and, more specifically, The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. Those two books paint a far more moderate and palatable picture of objectivism than her later philosophical works and public speeches. You suggest that Republicans are doing something wrong by not going full Rand, but ideological purity is stupid regardless of whose ideology its based on. We live in the real world and so I'm not going to fault Republicans for only adopting the aspects of Rand's ideology that are palatable in the real world.
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Oct 2, 2014 01:07
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edit: VVV This guy makes a good point. I've been persuaded and I repent. So, how is Ayn Rand still a thing? Anyone have their own pet suggestions? I'm going to go with the name being the biggest pusher. Ithle01 fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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How is responding to Irish Joe still a thing? Literally the best thing to come out of Ayn Rand is Rush lyrics.
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