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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

kierrie posted:

e: I guess they deserved it, being sorcerers and all.

Sorcerers are tough motherfuckers.

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Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


kierrie posted:

You mean as opposed to Saudi Arabia which has beheaded 50 or more people this year?

e: I guess they deserved it, being sorcerers and all.

CNN Breaking News: People Can Dislike Both Sides of A Conflict.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

I was rejected by the:

kierrie posted:

You mean as opposed to Saudi Arabia which has beheaded 50 or more people this year?

A quarter of a million people have died in the Syrian Civil War.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

FAUXTON posted:

Sorcerers are tough motherfuckers.
It was probably the same sorcerer 50 times. Those fuckers are slippery.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Rent-A-Cop posted:

It was probably the same sorcerer 50 times. Those fuckers are slippery.

Sounds like Al Baghdadi has been consulting with djinn for success against the Kurds. I wonder if the prophet (PBUH) would approve.

Mightypeon
Oct 10, 2013

Putin apologist- assume all uncited claims are from Russia Today or directly from FSB.

key phrases: Poor plucky little Russia, Spheres of influence, The West is Worse, they was asking for it.

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Which is funny because a> China's foreign policy is somewhat specific about not sticking troops on foreign soil for long term deployment (because its a bad thing), b> Lots of third world countries call on China to help them get their poo poo together. China's just better at doing it in ways that don't include regime change and selling out the country to the IMF.

I would also add that Russia send the Iraqi gouverment considerable quantities of CAS Jets, apperantly together with "technical advisors" that propably fly them, and placed the whole Thing under Iraqi command.
This was before the US started bombing.

Heck, if the west would be at good Relations with Russia, some deal about

US:"Well President Putin, the Chechen shock troops of IS are kind of your fault because you didnt manage to murder them all in Chechenya."
Russia:"I can see you Point, but Russia does not intervene in Iraqi/Syrian affairs, natural souvereignity and all that."
US:"What if the UN asks you really nicely? And we promise to stay out of Syria for a while?"
Russia:"Wait, I can murder Chechens that drive in US Military Equipment and get diplomatic Prestige and browny Points for it?"
US:"Ehmm, Yes?"
Russia:"Za Rodinu!".
(That is of course not how it would be exactly, but you get the drift).

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Rent-A-Cop posted:

It was probably the same sorcerer 50 times. Those fuckers are slippery.

My uncle works at Hydra and said they had a huge sorcerer recruiting effort last month.

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2

Volkerball posted:

This I gotta see.

Obama, on @60Minutes: "When trouble comes up anywhere in the world, they don’t call Beijing. They don’t call Moscow. They call us."

Deteriorata posted:

If there's somethin' strange in your neighborhood
Who ya gonna call?

When there's trouble you call DW?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=375ENQbru8s

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

Volkerball posted:

This I gotta see.

quote:

Obama, on @60Minutes: "When trouble comes up anywhere in the world, they don’t call Beijing. They don’t call Moscow. They call us."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94xlG4aJTug

Batham
Jun 19, 2010

Cluster bombing from B-52s is very, very accurate. The bombs are guaranteed to always hit the ground.
It sounds arrogant, sure, but it's true though.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Which is funny because a> China's foreign policy is somewhat specific about not sticking troops on foreign soil for long term deployment (because its a bad thing), b> Lots of third world countries call on China to help them get their poo poo together. China's just better at doing it in ways that don't include regime change and selling out the country to the IMF.

a> Well, aside from Tibet and (more ambiguously) various small manmade islands.
b> A lot of countries also call on China to help them specifically *not* get their poo poo together, while still getting arms/money to allow said poo poo to continue. Zimbabwe and Sudan, for example.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Warbadger posted:

a> Well, aside from Tibet and (more ambiguously) various small manmade islands.
China has the brilliant strategy of just declaring other parts of the world to be China. That way they never have to put Chinese troops on "foreign soil." The fact that all these new bits of China are filled with people who don't think they live in China is only a minor inconvenience.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

My Imaginary GF posted:

I had no idea Indonesia, Sierra Leone, Senegal, Ghana, Guinea, and Cote d'Ivore werr US allies/vassals. If anything, I always pegged a few of those as AEF.

AEF?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Washington Post article on Iraqi TV satire of ISIS.

quote:

 BAGHDAD — Reclining on a gold-rimmed purple sofa, the leader of the Islamic State extremist group mulls his social-media strategy as an overaffectionate sword-wielding dwarf looks on.

Here’s the town drunk, who has become a zealous follower of the Islamic State, beating those who consume alcohol — though he still drinks in secret himself.

And there’s the shop owner who is informed that vegetables with names in the Arabic language that are female in gender can’t mix with those of the male gender.

That’s right, a new weapon has been unleashed in this country devastated by Islamist militant violence — comedy.

:unsmith: I hope Khokha from Jordan makes a cameo.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

My Imaginary GF posted:

Sounds like Al Baghdadi has been consulting with djinn for success against the Kurds. I wonder if the prophet (PBUH) would approve.

Islamic tradition holds that many djinn are Muslim, and are therefore ok to consult or do magic with, so long as you aren't evil about it.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Quick! Someone inform Bassem Youseff that we found work for him in Iraq! :ninja:

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

Scuttlebutt picked up by AP is that the new Afghan government will sign a US troop deal.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Aurubin posted:

Scuttlebutt picked up by AP is that the new Afghan government will sign a US troop deal.

There needs to be an emoticon that combines :smith: and :sigh:.

1337JiveTurkey
Feb 17, 2005

DutchDupe posted:

America gets asked to intervene literally all the time in the world's conflicts and will be equally blamed for whatever happens due to its actions or inaction, but I'm going to take a guess that merely asking for American help would make a country or a state a "vassal" in your mind.

It's sort of a can't lose argument since there's always some angle to argue against what the US did. America let Libya collapse into anarchy but at the same time everything that it could do to prevent that would be imperialism. People were originally arguing that the Libyan No Fly Zone was only to install some new pro-Western dictator who would sell his oil to the West instead of British Petroleum. All those Libyans who were calling for the rest of the world to do something were just CIA plants and Gaddaffi was suddenly Socialist and not pinballing between labels of convenience.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Which is funny because a> China's foreign policy is somewhat specific about not sticking troops on foreign soil for long term deployment (because its a bad thing), b> Lots of third world countries call on China to help them get their poo poo together. China's just better at doing it in ways that don't include regime change and selling out the country to the IMF.

I am potentially dubious about the "not selling the country out to moneyed interests" thing, especially in countries they don't give enough of a poo poo about to hire locals to build things / train locals to operate the shiny new facilities. China likes to staff its operations with Chinese folks, and some of those operations are, to quote Joe Biden, big loving deals.

It's still a refinement of modern economic imperialism that's kinder, gentler, and probably more beneficial to the local population (because that's cheaper in the long run), and I'm really enjoying watching it develop, but I'm a little concerned that your eyewear might be a little... you know... on the lower frequency end of the spectrum.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

GreyjoyBastard posted:

It's still a refinement of modern economic imperialism that's kinder, gentler, and probably more beneficial to the local population (because that's cheaper in the long run), and I'm really enjoying watching it develop, but I'm a little concerned that your eyewear might be a little... you know... on the lower frequency end of the spectrum.
I don't see how it's any different or any more beneficial to the local population when China does it.

Same old game major economies have been playing for centuries. Buy resource rights for pennies on the dollar, import all the skilled labor, work the locals to death, export the lion's share of the wealth and pay the rest in bribes to local strongmen. If anyone acts up, dump a flood of cheap weapons and untraceable cash on the warlord de jour and let the locals do all the dying to protect the operation.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94xlG4aJTug
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This is the best thing Obama has said in a long rear end time. I like it.

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


FAUXTON posted:

Sorcerers are tough motherfuckers.

Really, Saudi Arabia should be recruiting these guys into an unstoppable Wizard Brigade.

Bunch of robed bastards flinging magic missiles would end that civil war pretty fast.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Aurubin posted:

Scuttlebutt picked up by AP is that the new Afghan government will sign a US troop deal.
Following that Presidential election where the two leading guys agreed to a unity government if the results of the voting were kept secret.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Afrique équatoriale française / Afrique occidentale française

E:

fool_of_sound posted:

Islamic tradition holds that many djinn are Muslim, and are therefore ok to consult or do magic with, so long as you aren't evil about it.

What if hes consulting with djinn to get America to bomb muslims?

My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Sep 29, 2014

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

since when is ghana french

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Turkey has moved a bunch of tanks to the Syrian border at Kobane.

It's weird to see Turkey go from "Bomb ISIS, not from our bases you won't!" to "Hey, maybe you guys should just let us invade already" in a matter of days. It's some about face that's for sure.

The Northern Syrian security belt may come into existence yet. Or maybe its more fitting to compare a Turkish buffer zone to Syria's occupation of the Lebanon.

Either way it's making me nostalgic for the eighties.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

V. Illych L. posted:

since when is ghana french

Guinea, Senegal, and Cote d'Ivoire certainly are. Hell, France granted their 'respectable' citizens French citizenship for awhile.

E:

kustomkarkommando posted:

Turkey has moved a bunch of tanks to the Syrian border at Kobane.

It's weird to see Turkey go from "Bomb ISIS, not from our bases you won't!" to "Hey, maybe you guys should just let us invade already" in a matter of days. It's some about face that's for sure.

The Northern Syrian security belt may come into existence yet. Or maybe its more fitting to compare a Turkish buffer zone to Syria's occupation of the Lebanon.

Either way it's making me nostalgic for the eighties.

The question is whether this is an anti-Kurdish move or an anti-ISIS development.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

My Imaginary GF posted:

The question is whether this is an anti-Kurdish move or an anti-ISIS development.

Why not both?

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

McDowell posted:

Why not both?

Oh, I have no doubt it'll be messaged as an anti-ISIS move. It may even prevent some ISIS movement. In the end, will furthering Turkish interests be of benefit to the Kurds or ISIS? There is no common ground there. Kurdish interests are American interests; Sunni Syrian interests are Turkish interests.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

V. Illych L. posted:

since when is ghana french

Or Indonesia. :v:

Okay so MIGF meant AOF. AEF is further East: Central African Republic, Congo-Brazzaville, Gabon, Cameroon, Chad.

When did the US intervene in Cote d'Ivoire?

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.

kustomkarkommando posted:

Turkey has moved a bunch of tanks to the Syrian border at Kobane.

It's weird to see Turkey go from "Bomb ISIS, not from our bases you won't!" to "Hey, maybe you guys should just let us invade already" in a matter of days. It's some about face that's for sure.

The Northern Syrian security belt may come into existence yet. Or maybe its more fitting to compare a Turkish buffer zone to Syria's occupation of the Lebanon.


Or to Cyprus.

Torpor
Oct 20, 2008

.. and now for my next trick, I'll pretend to be a political commentator...

HONK HONK

kustomkarkommando posted:

Turkey has moved a bunch of tanks to the Syrian border at Kobane.

It's weird to see Turkey go from "Bomb ISIS, not from our bases you won't!" to "Hey, maybe you guys should just let us invade already" in a matter of days. It's some about face that's for sure.

The Northern Syrian security belt may come into existence yet. Or maybe its more fitting to compare a Turkish buffer zone to Syria's occupation of the Lebanon.

Either way it's making me nostalgic for the eighties.

They are probably just trying to secure the border. There was a bunch of Kurds recently trying to break the border and enter Syria.

Also A-10s are going to the region. They are badass planes but they will probably either sit in hangers for the deployment or accidentally destroy the Iraqi Army.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Torpor posted:

They are probably just trying to secure the border. There was a bunch of Kurds recently trying to break the border and enter Syria.

Also A-10s are going to the region. They are badass planes but they will probably either sit in hangers for the deployment or accidentally destroy the Iraqi Army.

What you label, "secure the border," I label as 'enabling genocide and ethnic cleansing.' Turkey certainly had a bit of unacknowledged history with that, wouldn't you say?

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

My Imaginary GF posted:

Turkey delenda est.

Yeah, yeah.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Torpor posted:

They are probably just trying to secure the border. There was a bunch of Kurds recently trying to break the border and enter Syria.

Also A-10s are going to the region. They are badass planes but they will probably either sit in hangers for the deployment or accidentally destroy the Iraqi Army.

People tonight are claiming that the Turkish border posts have been abandoned, so we will see.

Torpor
Oct 20, 2008

.. and now for my next trick, I'll pretend to be a political commentator...

HONK HONK

MothraAttack posted:

People tonight are claiming that the Turkish border posts have been abandoned, so we will see.

IT is now Schrodinger's Border.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Rent-A-Cop posted:

I don't see how it's any different or any more beneficial to the local population when China does it.

Same old game major economies have been playing for centuries. Buy resource rights for pennies on the dollar, import all the skilled labor, work the locals to death, export the lion's share of the wealth and pay the rest in bribes to local strongmen. If anyone acts up, dump a flood of cheap weapons and untraceable cash on the warlord de jour and let the locals do all the dying to protect the operation.

They're leaving a little more in place than the Strictly Extractive economies, but probably not by enough to matter.

The really interesting cases are places like Sri Lanka, where they have enough strategic and/or long-term need for the place that they're willing to let the locals in on some of the fun. One of the big things there (other than the port facilities, which SL tends to keep an iron grip on) is a fairly major satellite control / possibly launch facility for which they're already training up local mooks.

Miltank
Dec 27, 2009

by XyloJW
So did the US save those Yazidis?

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Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Miltank posted:

So did the US save those Yazidis?

"Yes" "no" "some of them, not others" and "the US didn't really do anything" are all perfectly valid answers to that question, so by American standards yeah we did.

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