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It took me 8+ hours to get my final atma. Sometimes you just have to sit down and just grind it out.
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dangersandwich posted:The average to get 12 Atma shards is 400 FATEs ±100 depending on how much RNG fuckery you experience. Most of us have better things to do than to spend hours doing hundreds of FATEs that give nothing with no progress bar. you're missing the third possibility: people who spend 20 hours a day playing an mmo and think that's normal
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Oct 3, 2014 23:34
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bonewitch posted:It took me 8+ hours to get my final atma. Sometimes you just have to sit down and just grind it out. How anyone can say this "isn't that bad" blows my mind.
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Oct 3, 2014 23:34
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Velthice posted:I will never stop being surprised at the excuses people will come up with to justify their hatred of what is unequivocally one of the easiest parts of the relic chain. It doesn't matter that it's easy. It's boring.
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Oct 3, 2014 23:35
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Belzac posted:Hiroshi NQ got 12 atma in 14 hours live on stream.
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Oct 3, 2014 23:36
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Verranicus posted:How anyone can say this "isn't that bad" blows my mind. Oh it's terrible, I hated the atma grind more than any other part of the relic grind (and I got my nexus a week after 2.38). 
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Oct 3, 2014 23:37
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Zereth posted:Didn't somebody else during the stream get a grand total of one atma? Correct.
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Bards should probably upgrade their armor over their weapon anyway. It's more of a stat increase. Also if you're doing atma as a warrior, you can stop because paladins are better and more fun to play. I use fracture on my monk.
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Oct 3, 2014 23:39
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Belzac posted:Hiroshi NQ got 12 atma in 14 hours live on stream. Garin got 12 atma in a day and a half just a few months ago. The problem people have with atma is subtly hinted at in this thread by the complainers. You aren't grinding hard enough. "I did fates for 100 hours" really means "I did 2 fates and then quit". Just sit down, and bang it out, and it's over. I'm not refuting that you can just grind it out, but there is mathematically no escaping the fact that you have to do this boring thing (FATE grind) for a minimum of 8+ hours. There are those of us that only have a few hours a night to play and guess what? we're not inclined to spend an entire week of evenings doing a boring thing which leads to another boring thing (which still yet leads to another boring thing) for a weapon that you have to spend a few million gil (or several weeks of spiritbonding) to optimize. by the way, 8 hours is the realistic minimum. RNG will make exactly half of all players that decide to go through Atma spend 16-18 hours. 
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Oct 3, 2014 23:40
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I honestly wouldn't mind doing 500+ FATEs if there was a little tracker keeping score and I was guaranteed my Atma at the end. Some sort of visible end goal.
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I got my BLM atma within 350 fates (including those I did while levelling). I got 7 atma on WHM, hit 1000 fates completed and decided it wasn't worth it. That's RNG for you!Velthice posted:I use fracture on my monk. Please don't trigger me.
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dangersandwich posted:I'm not refuting that you can just grind it out, but there is mathematically no escaping the fact that you have to do this boring thing (FATE grind) for a minimum of 8+ hours. Then don't do it. If you're a casual be content with your casual weapons. The bigger the glow, the more work it will take.
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Verranicus posted:I honestly wouldn't mind doing 500+ FATEs if there was a little tracker keeping score and I was guaranteed my Atma at the end. Some sort of visible end goal. Literally this. This would solve every complaint I have about the system.
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Xenoveritas posted:Sadly our forums do not allow me to duplicate the colors used in that post. "These races should get body hair options... ...ok maybe Lalas and Catboys too even though they're basically toddlers and young teenagers." Sacro posted:you're missing the third possibility: people who spend 20 hours a day playing an mmo and think that's normal See: Belzac's posts.
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Oct 3, 2014 23:49
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You just mad that I'm living the final fantasy dream.
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Belzac posted:Then don't do it. If you're a casual be content with your casual weapons. The bigger the glow, the more work it will take. Put another way: When faced with an MMO's Really Grindy Bits, ask yourself how far you're willing to go with them. There's nothing wrong with saying gently caress that poo poo. All games, heck all entertainment media, are ultimately competing with each other for your time and it's up to you to choose how you spend it. If you feel like something is trying to waste your time there's no reason to comply.
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Oct 4, 2014 00:05
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Belzac posted:Hiroshi NQ got 12 atma in 14 hours live on stream. Garin got 12 atma in a day and a half just a few months ago. The problem people have with atma is subtly hinted at in this thread by the complainers. You aren't grinding hard enough. "I did fates for 100 hours" really means "I did 2 fates and then quit". Just sit down, and bang it out, and it's over.
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Every time the atma discussion comes up I see four groups of people. 1. Atma is like getting peed on 2. You think being peed on is bad? Try getting pooped on 3. I enjoy getting peed on, gently caress getting pooped on 4. Getting pooped on is awesome guys, it's those piss lovers that are weird. I guess what I'm saying is maybe you guys should shower more.
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Oct 4, 2014 00:08
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Xenoveritas posted:So... "maybe someday." Time to save up a few fishies then 
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Leal posted:Time to save up a few fishies then Please look forward to it.
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Leal posted:Time to save up a few fishies then For the low low price of 30 million gil for a small tank, 75 million for a large!
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Does DGKK have a static progression group? I know it's typically for people who are leveling and stuff but I've been here for so long that swapping to PBC instead of hanging with you nerds would be weird.  On an unrelated note, I feel like making a healer. Tempted to go WHM but the fact that SCH could also DPS is a good thing too. Hm...any thoughts on the differences between the two? I might shake things up and play with a controller for a while, so who's got an easier time with that?
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Oct 4, 2014 00:58
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sometimes if you don't like doing a thing in a video game, you don't have to do that thing in the videogame
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Thumbtacks posted:Does DGKK have a static progression group? I know it's typically for people who are leveling and stuff but I've been here for so long that swapping to PBC instead of hanging with you nerds would be weird. It's not quite as viable as the SCH/SMN divide, but WHM can actually do somewhat decent damage just by weaving in and out of cleric stance. The big trick is not running your mana dry in the process, but that might become less of an issue at level 50 in better gear.  I just know that even in the 40s after getting WHM's mana regeneration and threat dump skill I've had to slow down and drop back to just healing to not run dry in a few fights.You'll never be able to queue as DPS as WHM though, so in that sense SCH/SMN is better by miles obviously.
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Thumbtacks posted:Does DGKK have a static progression group? I know it's typically for people who are leveling and stuff but I've been here for so long that swapping to PBC instead of hanging with you nerds would be weird. I don't have a static yet, if that helps.
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Thumbtacks posted:Does DGKK have a static progression group? I know it's typically for people who are leveling and stuff but I've been here for so long that swapping to PBC instead of hanging with you nerds would be weird. There's an entire subforum on ffgoons dedicated to static groups.
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Oct 4, 2014 01:23
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Belzac posted:If you're a casual be content with your casual weapons. 
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Evil Fluffy posted:There's an entire subforum on ffgoons dedicated to static groups. I know, I looked. Every group is full of people in PBC.
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Thumbtacks posted:I know, I looked. Every group is full of people in PBC. Even if this were true, every static has a separate linkshell for coordination, whether you're PBC or DGKK doesn't matter in the slightest.
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Oct 4, 2014 01:35
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I'm looking to resub. But I'd have to pay to move my character over to the server.. Is it worth it or should I just start a new one?
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Boss Man Bing posted:I'm looking to resub. But I'd have to pay to move my character over to the server.. Is it worth it or should I just start a new one? What level is your character? Progression in this game is pretty fast, you'd probably have to have multiple jobs to 50 to justify the price of a server transfer.
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Coughing Hobo posted:Even if this were true, every static has a separate linkshell for coordination, whether you're PBC or DGKK doesn't matter in the slightest. ...oh. poo poo, really? I keep forgetting linkshells are things that I can use. Goddammit. Well I'll look into that and I think I'll level SCH on the side. Thumbtacks fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:What level is your character? Progression in this game is pretty fast, you'd probably have to have multiple jobs to 50 to justify the price of a server transfer. This is true. I'd rather just play. I know I have a low level on the server, just not one that's got any 50's. My character I was actually playing only had 2. So in this case yes I will just start a new character. Yay! I'm excited. I haven't played FF in a long time. I haven't played an MMO in a long time, actually.
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Grem posted:I guess what I'm saying is maybe you guys should shower more. The MMO HMO - I guess what I'm saying is maybe you guys should shower more.
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Boss Man Bing posted:This is true. I'd rather just play. I know I have a low level on the server, just not one that's got any 50's. My character I was actually playing only had 2. You're about to enjoy one of the best ones on the market, and my favorite. Have fun.  EDIT: The MMO HMO - I guess what I'm saying is maybe you guys should shower more. Games -, I think would work just as well.
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Glowing Red Sign posted:Is there even a purported reason, or is this just sheer spite? A bit late on this conversation, but I've never had this happen to me when I was making my Animus, is it a newer thing or something?
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Belzac posted:Then don't do it. If you're a casual be content with your casual weapons. The bigger the glow, the more work it will take. Nevermind just noticed the username.
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Velthice posted:Bards should probably upgrade their armor over their weapon anyway. It's more of a stat increase. Also if you're doing atma as a warrior, you can stop because paladins are better and more fun to play. I use fracture on my monk. Getting a better weapon is by far the biggest upgrade you can get on a DPS class because stats in this game are sorta generic If you don't want to invest in the atma/animus/novus grind just get a 110 weapon from CT2, it's only very slightly weaker than HA or Nexus for a lot of classes and will in no way hold you back e: i hella quoted the wrong post there Metallia fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Oct 4, 2014 |
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mulodyne posted:Getting a better weapon is by far the biggest upgrade you can get on a DPS class because stats in this game are sorta generic 
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Oh my god nobody cares about your thrilling atma opinions, do it if you like it, don't if you don't, nobody is going to read your impassioned defense of getting/not bothering with atma and be like "wow, that person is so right, my opinion was fundamentally wrong and I will stop farming atma/farm up a set right now" Nexus weapons are i115, HA weapons are i115. There's multiple content paths and shouting the same two arguments ("it's random!" "it's easy!" "it's random!" "it's easy!") at each other for the past 6 months is just making me pull out my hair at this point
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