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I would like to take a moment to remember Andrea De Cesaris; a man with 208 GP starts and no wins (he definitely deserved one), and out of those 208 starts he only finished 65. Probably the only man in F1 history to score a podium (3rd Place) without finishing a race all year (in 1987), also he could do wonders in a mediocre car. He died of a crash on Sunday. He spent most of the 80s doing this;  But he was undoubtedly fast. RIP Andrea. Human Grand Prix fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Oct 7, 2014 |
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nm posted:The bmw museum is also AI as gently caress It was the corporate HQ in Rollerball! 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjAs4llQiWI Mazda 3 Sedan race car. Boring right?
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not black enough posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjAs4llQiWI So is that RWD now too? If there was a RWD Mazda 3 I would have one in the driveway.
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That tube-chassis racecar is (and also rotary-powered, apparently,) but the factory 3 is and will probably remain FWD forever. Maaaaybe an AWD Mazdaspeed if they go full retard this time around.
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Oct 7, 2014 23:41
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animeliker posted:I would like to take a moment to remember Andrea De Cesaris; a man with 208 GP starts and no wins (he definitely deserved one), and out of those 208 starts he only finished 65. Probably the only man in F1 history to score a podium (3rd Place) without finishing a race all year (in 1987), also he could do wonders in a mediocre car. He died of a crash on Sunday.  Also, that Mazda3 sounds amazing. And basically what BlackMK4 said, RWD Mazda3 with a stick and maybe a lil bump in power? I'd have one. I've always liked the Mazdaspeed3.
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BlackMK4 posted:So is that RWD now too? If there was a RWD Mazda 3 I would have one in the driveway. The description in the video claim RWD. I want to be wrong for all the right reasons with that thing 
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Fucknag posted:That tube-chassis racecar is (and also rotary-powered, apparently,) but the factory 3 is and will probably remain FWD forever. Maaaaybe an AWD Mazdaspeed if they go full retard this time around. Mazda has an AWD version of the Axela/3 they build for Japan. It looks pretty pedestrian though (auto only, no fun motors).
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Came across this while browsing through old boring British TV shows on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8ukxnGaeLg&t=114s I had no clue active suspension existed that far back. It's pretty amazing watching that old thing going around a corner 100% flat. In 1983? Wasn't it like 1993 before anyone ever tried that on an F1 car? And like 2012 before anyone ever did it on a production car?
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Came across this while browsing through old boring British TV shows on youtube. Just look at the changes to engine cylinder deactivation from when GM tried it in the late 70s/early 80s compared to now. Nearly every car company does it these days, thanks to faster CPUs and better sensor technology
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Came across this while browsing through old boring British TV shows on youtube. Bose did it to a first gen LS400, watch the video till the end if you've never seen it before! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSi6J-QK1lw I wish my car could do that =(
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Came across this while browsing through old boring British TV shows on youtube. Some F1 cars in the 80s had active suspensions. Williams and Lotus both tried them.
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FuzzKill posted:Bose did it to a first gen LS400, watch the video till the end if you've never seen it before! That the first bose product that doesn't suck. I guess thats why they never sold it.
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nm posted:That the first bose product that doesn't suck. I guess thats why they never sold it. Just like their audio products, no highs, no lows, must be Bose Suspension.
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:
From what I could find, the system had (as of 2011) problems with weight, a high power draw, and heat dissipation that keep it from being viable for mass production. Plus, when you consider the fact that current active suspension systems are something like a $3000 option, I really don't want to know what a Bose suspension system would cost.
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azflyboy posted:From what I could find, the system had (as of 2011) problems with weight, a high power draw, and heat dissipation that keep it from being viable for mass production. Plus, when you consider the fact that current active suspension systems are something like a $3000 option, I really don't want to know what a Bose suspension system would cost. This is one application where no highs and no lows might actually have been a good thing. 
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Found out my Grandfather passed away yesterday evening. I've posted his cars before (old thread) but they deserve a repost. He was pretty AI, these were all year round daily drivers in Minneapolis. 1957 Austin Healey 100  1959 Austin Healey  1964 Porsche 356 C  Morris Minor 1000  Ghia 450 - Only 17 in the US and 42 made total   Ferrari GT 250 NitroSpazzz fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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Sorry to hear about your grandfather man. Query though, did he really go from a Porsche 356C to a Morris Minor??????????? That's..... absurd. 
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Not sure on the order of the cars and there were more that I don't have pictures of. There's currently a MG TC in the garage we're trying to figure out what to do with and his old BMW 524TD my brother is driving. I was told that he bought the Ferrari while on the road for work when whatever he was driving at the time broke down and left his stranded on the side of the road for hours. Grandma was furious because she loved the previous car. NitroSpazzz fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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That loving Bose jump had me giggling like an idiot 
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:I had no clue active suspension existed that far back. It's pretty amazing watching that old thing going around a corner 100% flat. In 1983? Wasn't it like 1993 before anyone ever tried that on an F1 car? And like 2012 before anyone ever did it on a production car?  In 1994, the Activa technology was introduced, which is an extension to the Hydractive II suspension, where two additional spheres and two hydraulic cylinders are used together with computer control to eliminate body roll completely. This technology is more broadly known as active suspension, and the Xantia Activa has exceptional road holding comparable to true sports cars. In the Swedish magazine Teknikens Värld's moose test the 1999 model of Xantia V6 Activa still holds the record speed through the manoeuvre - faster than the Porsche 996 GT2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZrGpz2KiPs&t=114s
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Wouldn't eliminating body roll be counter-productive on a car without slicks? Like, if the weight can't gradually transfer onto the most stressed tyres, wouldn't they just start sledging really easily? Like how it's really easy to lock up the brakes if you just slam them on instead of applying progressively.
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Toyota did it on the Soarer first.
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Chariot Races..NSW 1936
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That is awesome^NitroSpazzz posted:Found out my Grandfather passed away yesterday evening. I've posted his cars before (old thread) but they deserve a repost. He was pretty AI, these were all year round daily drivers in Minneapolis. I still think of mine, maybe not daily anymore but probably weekly. And its been 19 years now.
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angryhampster posted:Chariot Races..NSW 1936 Why the actual gently caress isn't this an Olympic sport?
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MrYenko posted:Why the actual gently caress isn't this an Olympic sport? Because taking drugs doesn't make you better at it.
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NitroSpazzz posted:Found out my Grandfather passed away yesterday evening. I've posted his cars before (old thread) but they deserve a repost. He was pretty AI, these were all year round daily drivers in Minneapolis. Sorry to hear about your grandpa. He was pretty AI indeed. Don't think I've ever seen one of those Ghias before.
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Slavvy posted:Wouldn't eliminating body roll be counter-productive on a car without slicks? Like, if the weight can't gradually transfer onto the most stressed tyres, wouldn't they just start sledging really easily? Like how it's really easy to lock up the brakes if you just slam them on instead of applying progressively. Are you just picturing really hard springs instead of an active system? The active system is keeping the weight over all four tires, maybe even leaning into the corner on entry, so all four tires share the load more evenly. Plus think about times when you get the weight transfer wrong, say coming into a fast chicane, or just because a bumpy track pitches the car the wrong way coming into a turn. So even if maximum sideways force were diminished, there could be other ways to make up time on certain circuits. Not to mention the trump card of active systems- keeping your driver comfortable so they're fresher for longer. It's so... anti-racing. xzzy posted:Because taking drugs doesn't make you better at it. Asterisk, smoking "performance enhancing" weed just before a motorcycle chariot race would be incredible.
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angryhampster posted:Chariot Races..NSW 1936 This is the best thing since motor polo which should also be an Olympic sport. Can't find a picture of it because "car polo" just brings up VW
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freelop posted:This is the best thing since motor polo which should also be an Olympic sport. Man, people back in the day had so many awesome ways to die.  
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Looks safe to me.. they have rollbars! Don't even need seatbelts at that point.
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angryhampster posted:Chariot Races..NSW 1936 Do they have Max Rockatansky in his Falcon as a racing lure?
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poo poo I Never Expected To See     
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Never even heard of those before, had to look it up. drat, that is a frightfully ugly vehicle.
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I remember reading C&D back in the 90s and they were always ragging on Moslers for being pig ugly and squashing everyone else at One Lap of America. The Raptor was even worse, as it ditched the Consulier's windshield for a split-window made of two flat planes, looked like it fell off of Captain Nemo's submarine.
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revdrkevind posted:Are you just picturing really hard springs instead of an active system? The active system is keeping the weight over all four tires, maybe even leaning into the corner on entry, so all four tires share the load more evenly. Plus think about times when you get the weight transfer wrong, say coming into a fast chicane, or just because a bumpy track pitches the car the wrong way coming into a turn. So even if maximum sideways force were diminished, there could be other ways to make up time on certain circuits. Weight transfer happens regardless of the body roll since it's caused by the cornering force. Firming up the outside of the car to the point of eliminating roll is making most cars faster because the tire is staying flatter on the ground and since it is "active" still allows the suspension to conform over bumps and irregularities.
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Phy posted:I remember reading C&D back in the 90s and they were always ragging on Moslers for being pig ugly and squashing everyone else at One Lap of America. The Raptor was even worse, as it ditched the Consulier's windshield for a split-window made of two flat planes, looked like it fell off of Captain Nemo's submarine. A true beauty  Looks like they ran out of car parts and went next door to the hangar
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If you told me that was a creation of a drunk Russian farmer, attempting to recreate a Le Mans prototype in a shed, I'd believe you.
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The funny part is it was actually really good in races and they eventually banned it.
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