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FMguru: Sep 10, 2003; peed on;
sexually

Pinterest Mom posted:

are you going to:
-object to the question during the interview and look bitchy?
-sue for discrimination if you don't get hired?

good luck "proving" that you weren't hired based on giving the wrong answer to a leading question. did i mention that the supreme court has over the last decade made it much much harder to meet the evidentiary threshold to find discrimination

also, suing firms for discrimination is a good way to never get hired or interviewed again if you're in a field that's small or tight knit, or your would-be employer bothers to do a background check on you

# ? Oct 10, 2014 00:08

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univbee: Jun 3, 2004

Pinterest Mom posted:

are you going to:
-object to the question during the interview and look bitchy?
-sue for discrimination if you don't get hired?

-lie through my loving teeth, it'll be too late by the time they figure it out

# ? Oct 10, 2014 00:09

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

univbee posted:

lol isn't this a massively illegal line of questioning?

it is in the US

do they do the picture on cv think in britain?

# ? Oct 10, 2014 00:17

theadder: Dec 30, 2011

qirex posted:

do they do the picture on cv think in britain?

# ? Oct 10, 2014 00:19

duTrieux.: Oct 9, 2003

qirex posted:

it is in the US

do they do the picture on cv think in britain?

pictures on resumes are crass as all hell but it's also recommend that white people do it if they have a black sounding name

we live int he worst of all possible worlds

# ? Oct 10, 2014 00:40

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

qirex posted:

it is in the US

do they do the picture on cv think in britain?

no, that's germany where you're supposed to attach a headshot, age, marital status, etc

# ? Oct 10, 2014 00:42

theadder: Dec 30, 2011

Luigi Thirty posted:

no, that's germany where you're supposed to attach a headshot, age, marital status, etc

it helps if u also mention ur membership of the nazi party

# ? Oct 10, 2014 00:52

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

theadder posted:

it helps if u also mention ur membership of the nazi party

preference of Aryans is implied I believe

# ? Oct 10, 2014 00:53

Metrication: Dec 12, 2010; Raskin had one problem: Jobs regarded him as an insufferable theorist or, to use Jobs's own more precise terminology, "a shithead who sucks".

Pinterest Mom posted:

this is all from the uk financial sector but:

Company questionnaire responses revealed extensive use of informal recruitment, such as personal referrals. These informal methods can perpetuate women�s exclusion from certain jobs.

Women are more likely than men to be asked about their family circumstances and responsibilities during the recruitment process

In some sections of the sector there is an emphasis in recruitment for the high-end jobs on �cultural fit� with the company and its clients and trading partners, who are mostly male.

Women with supervisory responsibilities are more likely to be promoted to supervisory posts, whereas men with supervisory responsibilities are more likely to be promoted to managerial posts.

Even where companies have exemplary equality policies on paper, negative management attitudes towards women, particularly in relation to pregnancy and maternity leave, adversely affect women�s career progression.

The high proportion of workers in the 25�39 age group � the age at which employees tend to have children � makes it harder for women to have a viable career in this sector.

Networking, often male-oriented, was highlighted as an important career enabler within the financial services sector, in terms of building relationships with clients and increasing visibility with senior managers

Promotion is often at the discretion of middle managers, who are predominantly male. Women are less likely than men to feel that the promotion process is fair and consistent. Women are more likely than men to have experienced a peer being promoted above them.

A number of workplace culture issues were identified by witnesses that adversely affect women�s experience and employment opportunities in the sector. These include client networking activities that exclude women (such as a focus on male-dominated sports) or even demean women (such as socialising at lap-dancing clubs or hostess bars).

Stereotyping of women and sexist and exclusionary practices sometimes creates a climate in which women feel undervalued and lack confidence

Some working practices in the sector serve to disadvantage and marginalise employees with family responsibilities, still predominantly women, especially the practice and culture
of long working hours and presenteeism for higher graded and higher-paid roles.

Witnesses gave evidence that flexible working requests were less likely to be considered favourably for more senior employees, and those seeking flexibility often had to opt for demotion to obtain it.

Women experienced a range of adverse impacts for taking maternity leave, including permanent reallocation of their clients, loss of bonuses, and less favourable performance assessments.

there are laws against most of these things

it's almost as if people in financial services.... are scum ??

# ? Oct 10, 2014 00:58

PhilippAchtel: May 31, 2011

Metrication posted:

there are laws against most of these things

it's almost as if people in financial services.... are scum ??

I believe the idea is that things of this nature contribute to women seeing lower salaries and career prospects across the board. I've certainly seen these exact factors come in to play in my work environments (not finance).

# ? Oct 10, 2014 01:10

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

univbee posted:

-lie through my loving teeth, it'll be too late by the time they figure it out

seriously. i thought this was america??

# ? Oct 10, 2014 01:23

univbee: Jun 3, 2004

yeah, the pay inequality is pretty poo poo

at least here :quebec:

parental leave is insanely good, like if you're one of those crazy ladies who just keeps pushing out babies you can p much turn it into a career, just get a job that pays 30% more than what you want to be paid to breed and keep it long enough to qualify for government benefits (which could be, like, 3 months) and enjoy your army, your never have to go to your actual "job" as long as you can consistently get knocked up and they're completely barred from firing you or penalizing you in any way

# ? Oct 10, 2014 01:52

icantfindaname: Jul 1, 2008

univbee posted:

yeah, the pay inequality is pretty poo poo

at least here parental leave is insanely good, like if you're one of those crazy ladies who just keeps pushing out babies you can p much turn it into a career, just get a job that pays 30% more than what you want to be paid to breed and keep it long enough to qualify for government benefits (which could be, like, 3 months) and enjoy your army, your never have to go to your actual "job" as long as you can consistently get knocked up and they're completely barred from firing you or penalizing you in any way

fukkin welfare queens

# ? Oct 10, 2014 02:04

graph: Nov 22, 2006; aaag peanuts

it's just the 'mommy tax,' so? :confused:

# ? Oct 10, 2014 02:11

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
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univbee posted:

yeah, the pay inequality is pretty poo poo

at least here parental leave is insanely good, like if you're one of those crazy ladies who just keeps pushing out babies you can p much turn it into a career, just get a job that pays 30% more than what you want to be paid to breed and keep it long enough to qualify for government benefits (which could be, like, 3 months) and enjoy your army, your never have to go to your actual "job" as long as you can consistently get knocked up and they're completely barred from firing you or penalizing you in any way

p sure those crazy ladies dont exist outside the minds of mens rights advocates & other right-wingers

# ? Oct 10, 2014 02:56

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; "From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.; Buglord

Snapchat A Titty posted:

p sure those crazy ladies dont exist outside the minds of mens rights advocates & other right-wingers

yeah having a baby every year to avoid work sounds idiotic

# ? Oct 10, 2014 02:58

Athletic Footjob: Sep 24, 2005; Grimey Drawer

alternatively: ur mom

# ? Oct 10, 2014 03:06

duTrieux.: Oct 9, 2003

Improbable Lobster posted:

yeah having a baby every year to avoid work sounds idiotic

no man "axolotl tank" is totally a viable career option in the modern welfare state

# ? Oct 10, 2014 03:16

raruler: Oct 5, 2003; “Here lies a toppled god —
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.”

duTrieux. posted:

no man "axolotl tank" is totally a viable career option in the modern welfare state

I found these schematics on Dr. Miller's desk... they're plans for the kind of cyber modification that's been illegal for forty years... that's not like him... I was going to talk to him about it and then I noticed... the DNA sequence he spec'd for the prototype... it's mine...

# ? Oct 10, 2014 03:24

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Improbable Lobster posted:

yeah having a baby every year to avoid work sounds catholic

# ? Oct 10, 2014 03:30

univbee: Jun 3, 2004

Snapchat A Titty posted:

p sure those crazy ladies dont exist outside the minds of mens rights advocates & other right-wingers

seriously. i just had a kid in quebec a week ago and despite the crazy levels of support from big government, we think people are bonkers to want more than one in this day and age

and my mom comes from a family of 9. and her mom was a catholic nun :psyduck:

i'll take the actual career, thanks

# ? Oct 10, 2014 03:32

Dubstep Jesus: Jun 27, 2012; by exmarx

Improbable Lobster posted:

yeah having a baby every year to avoid work sounds idiotic

i'm pretty sure the process of being pregnant is a pretty big pain in the rear end in and of itself

not to mention raising the kid, even neglectfully

# ? Oct 10, 2014 04:07

Sono: Apr 9, 2008

univbee posted:

her mom was a catholic nun

Is your grandfather Jesus?

# ? Oct 10, 2014 04:07

theadder: Dec 30, 2011

Luigi Thirty posted:

preference of Aryans is implied I believe

yes but atrocities committed are accepted in lieu

# ? Oct 10, 2014 04:16

suspicious donkey!: Jun 26, 2013

theadder posted:

yes but atrocities committed are accepted in lieu

theres this secret handshake you can do with the police in germany to get mad privileges you should try it sometime if you are in the area

hands not literally shaking tho

# ? Oct 10, 2014 08:23

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

putting your photograph on a cv should be against the law

honestly, same for your name

# ? Oct 10, 2014 08:54

A Pinball Wizard: Mar 23, 2005; I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands; College Slice

univbee posted:

and her mom was a catholic nun

# ? Oct 10, 2014 12:46

univbee: Jun 3, 2004

Sono posted:

Is your grandfather Jesus?

he's kind of seen that way in his town in a "community leader" way

to answer the mystery, she went all sound of music; was a nun, fell in love, pretty much decided that love conquered all and that she could better serve THE LORD by being a family (wo)man and gtfo, and actually on reasonably good terms (the town she's from is super-religious but also sane enough to not look down on outsiders or go full-on crazy for really minor things, and also christmas mass is basically the priest getting mad-trashed on jesus blood telling amusing life anecdotes). whether a particularly powerful performance of climb every mountain was involved or not i don't know

# ? Oct 10, 2014 13:06

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

you can divorce Jesus?

# ? Oct 10, 2014 13:51

Wiggly Wayne DDS: Sep 11, 2010

qntm posted:

putting your photograph on a cv should be against the law

honestly, same for your name

thrown in the bin before they're read to avoid issues over discrimination. you at least get told that in advance

# ? Oct 10, 2014 14:02

PleasureKevin: Jan 2, 2011

hopefully even those with a tinge of ironic optimism about sataya nadella now see the truth

# ? Oct 10, 2014 15:07

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Metrication posted:

there are laws against most of these things

it's almost as if people in financial services.... are scum ??

lol yeah our current legal system is totally equipped to deal with systemic discrimination right

# ? Oct 10, 2014 15:19

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PleasureKevin posted:

hopefully even those with a tinge of ironic optimism about sataya nadella now see the truth

yeah his answer was classic ignorant rich guy mba-speak, just because he's a different colour doesn't make him any less of an empty platitude-spouting suit

# ? Oct 10, 2014 15:23

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Blackula69 posted:

lol yeah our current legal system is totally equipped to deal with systemic discrimination right

idk what you'd propose otherwise cause most of it isn't provable

# ? Oct 10, 2014 15:31

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except with you know the statistics

# ? Oct 10, 2014 15:32

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

you cant prove an instance of discrimination with generic statistics.

# ? Oct 10, 2014 15:34

duTrieux.: Oct 9, 2003

PleasureKevin posted:

hopefully even those with a tinge of ironic optimism about sataya nadella now see the truth

You know, the thing that perhaps most influenced me in terms of how do you look at the journey or a career. There was this guy, his name is Mike Naples, he was the president of Microsoft when I joined and he had this saying that all HR systems are long-term efficient, short-term inefficient. And I thought that this phrase captured it.

It's not really about asking for the raise but knowing and having faith that the system will actually give you the right raises as you go along. And that I think might be one of the additional superpowers that quite frankly women who don't ask for raises have. Because that's good karma, that'll come back. Because somebody's going to know that's the kind of person that I want to trust; that's the kind of person that I want to really give more responsibility to; and in the long term, efficiency things catch up.

And I wonder � and I'm not saying that's the only approach � I wonder if taking the long term helps solve for what might be perceived as this uncomfortable thing as am I getting paid right, am I getting rewarded right. Because the reality is your best work is not followed with your best rewards. Your best work then has impact, people recognize it and then you get the rewards. So I think you have to think that through I think.

# ? Oct 10, 2014 16:30

duTrieux.: Oct 9, 2003

Shaggar posted:

idk what you'd propose otherwise cause most of it isn't provable

all salaries, pay scales, etc are to be posted in a location visible to all employees, same as the current legal rights documents. peg the statue of limitations for discrimination claims to the date of discovery. require annual statistical audits of the salaries within a company as part of the normal financials.

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duTrieux.: Oct 9, 2003

that last sentence might be a little much but sitll

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duTrieux.: Oct 9, 2003

Shaggar posted:

you cant prove an instance of discrimination with generic statistics.

but you can adjust policy based on them

# ? Oct 10, 2014 16:37

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