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Sato posted:I'm curious as to what personal trauma Katara was referring to this episode when counseling Korra. Was it supposed to be Aang's or Sokka's death or something from the original series? I doubt it's anything we haven't heard about because there's really no time to introduce it.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Could be the whole "Come home after a Fire Nation raid to find her mother's corpse" thing. I don't think this is how it happened.... if I remember correctly, she found her mother under threat from a soldier, her mother told her to run, and she went to get her father as the soldier killed her mother. (Still obviously very traumatic, though.)
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Oct 10, 2014 20:29
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Not to mention she couldn't save Jet, who she did once have a big crush on it seemed. Aang was zapped right in front of her, even if she was able to bring him back. Her mom died to protect her. That's a lot of violent death for a 14 year old to experience.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:35
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Prediction: Toph's gonna lead Korra to a cave where she finds this: edit: Or this I guess, same thing really 
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Oct 10, 2014 20:39
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I actually remember the soldiers taking Katara's mother away after she waterbended slightly to prove she could, and then she died in captivity. I could be remembering this wrong though. Given that we haven't heard of any major conflicts between ATLA and Korra, I have to assume Katara is referencing the events of the series. She became a badass waterbender after being pretty bad at it in season 1, but she definitely got into a lot of life and death struggles at a very young age. The loss of her mother and oppression of her village (Southern tribe is barely scraping by at the start of ATLA) are probably what she refers to when she talks about her hardships, though. Aside liking that Korra's recovery is taking a very long time (3 years and she's not in top shape physically or mentally, which is far longer than I think anyone was expecting), I like that Korra was a natural bending/fighting prodigy, so she is confronted with a physical hardship to overcome. As Katara points out, Aang wasn't as skilled a fighter, necessarily, but he was confronted with a more spiritual conflict through having to deal with the loss of his entire culture and (in the last season) how to fulfill his duties as an avatar without abandoning the pacifist beliefs of the air nomads.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:51
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Excellent episode, but am I the only one who thought Katara was being hella condescending? "Oh Korra, I understand exactly what you're going through. You think you have it tough? Aang also had it tough!" Lady, this is why Sokka gave the speeches.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:56
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^^^^^^^^^^^ I was fully expecting Korra to snap at her after that. Of course Korra knew what Aang had gone through, he was her immediate predecessor and former life. She probably grew up hearing stories about him like Jinora did. I figured the Katara reference was to Aang's death since for the most part she seems to have been reduced to Aang's widow/mother of his kids in this series, but all the original series references fit too. From the way she was speaking I though we were supposed to know what she was talking about since she spoke as if there were one main trauma in her life. Also, Hauldren Collider's picture reminded me of how awesome the whole "Avatar State Korra slowly and ominously dragging Actual Korra into a pool of mercury" sequence was. Props to the crew for doing that so well.
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Oct 10, 2014 21:06
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I honestly hope the weird ghost Korra is Raava trying to reconnect with her but is doing it hamhandedly because spirits are giant children.
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Oct 10, 2014 21:10
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Which would be ironic because that little insignificant spirit was the only one that could really cut through the crap for Korra. Maybe the more important a spirit is the more it can only communicate through metaphor?
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Oct 10, 2014 21:14
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Sato posted:I'm debating whether I want her to reconnect with her past lives again. I think it's possible--I think Raava could remember them as she grows stronger after Harmonic Convergence, but I'm afraid it would feel wrong after seeing Korra's journey since Book 2 and the storytelling devices used to facilitate that.
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Oct 10, 2014 21:18
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Gosh, they're still knocking it out of the park so far! I don't think there's been a poor episode since season 2. Though, I am a little sad since I prefer Makani's design for Old Toph a bit more than the official one.
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Oct 10, 2014 21:22
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Hah! Ghost Avatar is the fuckin Terminator and fights really cool. (Kind of Like that time when Ichigo fought white Ichigo in Bleach, when the series was damned good) I am so hype for this season now. Also Kuvira's fighting style is a real breath of fresh air. No one in both series has been so business-like and ruthlessly efficient in their moves.
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Oct 10, 2014 21:28
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You could say... :horatio: She makes her trains run on time. But in all seriousness, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how Korra's training goes. Though I'm also curious to see what Kuvira will do to make herself Korra's final antagonist; as of now, she really hasn't done anything that necessitates Korra stepping in to bring her down.
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Oct 10, 2014 21:43
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Jackard posted:Korra making up with the Raava does not mean reconnecting with her past lives. Oh, I know. I was debating with myself whether I wanted that to be part of it. Regalingualius posted:But in all seriousness, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how Korra's training goes. Though I'm also curious to see what Kuvira will do to make herself Korra's final antagonist; as of now, she really hasn't done anything that necessitates Korra stepping in to bring her down. Interfering with the new Earth King's coronation in some way would do. As would trying to reclaim the territory ceded to the United Republic.
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Oct 10, 2014 21:46
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Sato posted:Interfering with the new Earth King's coronation in some way would do. As would trying to reclaim the territory ceded to the United Republic. I could see Korra not letting the Earth King just return to power, though - maybe she institutes a democracy, I don't know.
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Oct 10, 2014 21:47
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Also Kuvira's fighting style is a real breath of fresh air. No one in both series has been so business-like and ruthlessly efficient in their moves.
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Oct 10, 2014 21:57
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VanSandman posted:I could see Korra not letting the Earth King just return to power, though - maybe she institutes a democracy, I don't know. It would probably depend on the will of the people and the capabilities of Prince Wu himself (oh god). Kyoshi interfered with a tyrannical Earth King but she didn't overthrow him and institute democracy, she just added the Dai Li. The Earth Queen may have been awful but Ba Sing Se descended into chaos when she was gone. Plus, it was Zaheer and co. that killed her, not the marauding gangs or anything so reinstituting the monarchy could be seen as restoring order and the natural balance. I think the Earth Kingdom is heading towards the end of monarchy but I think it'll be as a result of Kuvira and Wu's actions this season, not from Korra interfering with the coronation. I really didn't intend to write that much. And I agree, Unalaq was meant to be like a fencer and very restrained and businesslike, especially when compared to his brother. Lin is also pretty no-nonsense when bending (besides her battle with Suyin). Sato fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Oct 10, 2014 22:05
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Kojiro posted:Gosh, they're still knocking it out of the park so far! I don't think there's been a poor episode since season 2. Though, I am a little sad since I prefer Makani's design for Old Toph a bit more than the official one. I preferred Makani's prior old-tophs before it got all soft-and-rounded and hedge-witchy: more like the end of this scale. Also, I'd love it if they hired her to illustrate future avatar-world comics. C'mon and kickstart some Valve money her way! Carlton Banks Teller fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Oct 10, 2014 22:09
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spirit puppy best puppy
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Oct 10, 2014 22:12
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Has anyone tried smacking Korra in the small of the back with a rock?
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Oct 10, 2014 22:12
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BrianWilly posted:Excellent episode, but am I the only one who thought Katara was being hella condescending? The point is that she had overcome trauma before.
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Oct 10, 2014 22:32
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VanSandman posted:Has anyone tried smacking Korra in the small of the back with a rock? Toph will prescribe another bout of mercury poisoning to cure Korra.
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Oct 10, 2014 22:42
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Sato posted:The Earth Queen may have been awful but Ba Sing Se descended into chaos when she was gone.
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Oct 10, 2014 22:51
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She didn't erect those walls. They existed during Aang's time and presumably before--I don't remember if they were included in Kyoshi's story. My guess is that they were erected when the city was built.
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Oct 10, 2014 22:55
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Bongo Bill posted:The point is that she had overcome trauma before. Like, I get the point of the scene, it just felt super patronizing.
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Oct 10, 2014 22:58
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1. Toph "sees" auras. Nice Crone upgrade. 2. Korra probably should have wandered around longer than 6 months. Her muscles didn't really atrophy while she was out of commission which was also odd. On second thought Korra was she hulk in certain close ups from the earlier seasons. 3. You know what tipped me off about the spirit puppy? It was just a puppy. Non hybrids are oddities in avatarverse. 4. Why were the sparring partners acting like dicks? They didn't even bow before walking off. 5. The Avatar State Poltergeist probably led her to the cage match so it could be associated with getting beat up. Now it can hurt her psychosomatically. (That or the writers took the easy route and went full Dagobah. 6. What did you expect of Bolin? He was a petty criminal street urchin until he was allowed to sleep in a gym's attic. He can still probably read better than Mike Tyson.
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NowonSA posted:I actually remember the soldiers taking Katara's mother away after she waterbended slightly to prove she could, and then she died in captivity. I could be remembering this wrong though. Yeah, you are mis-remembering that entirely. When the Southern Raiders came to their village, Katara ran back to their tent, only to find a soldier there with her mother. Kya sent her to find her father, and we learned in The Southern Raiders that once Katara left, the solider (Yon Rha) told her he had come for the waterbender. Kya told him it was her to protect Katara and said she was his prisoner, to which Yon Rha responded they weren't taking any prisoners. Katara called Hakoda back to the tent, where Kya's body was found. I've always assumed Katara saw the charred body, which is partly why she was so hosed up over it. BrianWilly posted:How does that help Korra? Like, this girl's in the intensive care unit trying to learn how to dress herself without help and Katara's like "I know your life sucks right now, but hey, try fighting a war! I've totes been in your shoes before!" The point is to tell someone on the verge of losing hope and giving up that it has been done before and that they can do it too. It's the same method Roku used with Aang when he was panicking, to explain that the Avatar had mastered the four elements thousands of times before, and he could do it again. It's easy for someone who is afraid or grieving to lose hope or the strength to go on, Katara was just reminding Korra how the last Avatar had lost so much and refused to be destroyed by it.
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Oct 10, 2014 23:07
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BrianWilly posted:How does that help Korra? Like, this girl's in the intensive care unit trying to learn how to dress herself without help and Katara's like "I know your life sucks right now, but hey, try fighting a war! I've totes been in your shoes before!" Because Korra has overcome trauma before.
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Oct 10, 2014 23:27
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BrianWilly posted:How does that help Korra? Like, this girl's in the intensive care unit trying to learn how to dress herself without help and Katara's like "I know your life sucks right now, but hey, try fighting a war! I've totes been in your shoes before!" Well that sounds pretty true-to-life for situations like that, then.
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Oct 10, 2014 23:27
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Hauldren Collider posted:Prediction: Toph's gonna lead Korra to a cave where she finds this: There's already some pretty great fanart on this subject from just after the season 4 trailer dropped:  
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Oct 10, 2014 23:48
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Holy gently caress. HOLY gently caress. I'm totally down with the rest of the season just being Toph-Yoda training montages.
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Sato posted:I'm debating whether I want her to reconnect with her past lives again. I think it's possible--I think Raava could remember them as she grows stronger after Harmonic Convergence, but I'm afraid it would feel wrong after seeing Korra's journey since Book 2 and the storytelling devices used to facilitate that. I've seen others refer to the possability of Korra reconnecting with past lives and I don't understand where this idea comes from. In season 2 they pretty clearly showed the 'past lives' getting disintegrated when Unalaq ripped Raava out of Korra and kept hitting her. To me it looked pretty clear that whatever memory of past lives Raava retained were gone, gone for good, hence the next season being called "Change". It's sorta like watching the entire original series hoping that Aang would discover a secret colony of Airbenders who escaped being killed. Also speaking of past lives, it must have been super weird for Katara to hang out with/recouperate someone who she literally used to be married to but is now in a different body. Of course, I don't think the show has been clear yet whether only the Avatar reincarnates, or if everyone in the world reincarnates and only the Avatar remembers their past lives.
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Oct 11, 2014 00:21
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Sato posted:And I agree, Unalaq was meant to be like a fencer and very restrained and businesslike, especially when compared to his brother.
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Oct 11, 2014 00:36
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Sithsaber posted:1. Toph "sees" auras. Nice Crone upgrade. I dunno, I honestly thought that she just knew it was the Avatar because she maybe has a similar gait to Aang or something, seeing as she calls Korra "Twinkle Toes" which referred to how light on his feet Aang was  could go either wayAlso I never thought that Bolin was just drawing pictures because...how the gently caress do you get a narrative like that based solely on pictures  I mean I don't know a lot about character based languages but there must be rudimentary or rather childish forms of them as well. I honestly thought Bolin just sent her pictures to go along with his letter because he's that kind of guy
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Oct 11, 2014 00:39
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King of Foolians posted:I've seen others refer to the possability of Korra reconnecting with past lives and I don't understand where this idea comes from. In season 2 they pretty clearly showed the 'past lives' getting disintegrated when Unalaq ripped Raava out of Korra and kept hitting her. To me it looked pretty clear that whatever memory of past lives Raava retained were gone, gone for good, hence the next season being called "Change". The Avatar reincarnates because Raava can reincarnate. The only thing that I think comes close is when Yue turns into the moon spirit. Now that's something I wish was explored more: humans turning into spirits. We know that spirits can jump into bodies and leave physical "footprints". Also: The Painted Lady. Why is she the only spirit that looks human? Spoilers for Korra vidya game: Final boss Hundun could possibly be another humanoid spirit. In an interview one of the Activision guys said he's fought a previous avatar and only existed in the Spirit world (though he could have been exiled there for some reason)
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hiddenriverninja posted:Also: The Painted Lady. Why is she the only spirit that looks human? The latest comic series, The Rift, has some fairly human-looking spirits!
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Oct 11, 2014 00:46
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Aces High posted:Also I never thought that Bolin was just drawing pictures because...how the gently caress do you get a narrative like that based solely on pictures
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Oct 11, 2014 00:59
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Aces High posted:Also I never thought that Bolin was just drawing pictures because...how the gently caress do you get a narrative like that based solely on pictures My impression, given the overly fanciful language (on the morrow, trepidation, etc.) and that we only see his crude drawings, was that he really did just send along some pictures. Just because we're hearing Bolin's voice doesn't mean that's necessarily the message that Korra is getting: we're hearing Bolin's thoughts when we sent the letters. We're hearing the thoughts of Mako and Asami during their letters too, it's just that they were able to directly put those thoughts onto paper as words. It's basically a nickelodeon version of an Always Sunny Charlie joke, but I thought it worked pretty well. If we were meant to think Bolin had sent along a letter with words, we would have seen one at some point while we were hearing him speak. It also would take out a quick little joke, and given how bleak the episode to that point (and indeed, most of the episode entirely) was, I have to assume they meant to have a joke in there to ease the tension. If I was a 10 or 12 year old kid watching Korra and watching her kick butt, I'd be pretty depressed to see her in such a poor state, and eager for her to run around kicking butt again, and I think Bolin's letters is a pretty perfectly aimed joke for kids. I would have been laughing like hell if I was younger. Anyway, sorry to rant there. In other news, I can't wait for Korra to be back to her old awesome self!
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I don't know, I really thought that the joke was having Bolin trying way too hard on the written part of the correspondance, using super-fancy words without realizing that it makes the letter ridiculous, but being his usual naive and a bit childish self with the drawings.
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I just assumed Meelo drew the pictures.
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