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FourLeaf posted:Oh boy. But what can be done? This kind of frustration is so common. Ideally education but probably nothing until the cohort that relies on the MSM for its information ages out of the voting population. You have to be retarded to think Democrats === Republicans at every level of government. It just so happens that most voters are retarded. Hell, you can point to, historically, Republicans doing the damage that has lead to these peoples' ills and they are still in the "durr both sides are bad durr" camp. People are just dumb. From the comments: quote:Ohio has been doing better with Gov. Kasich, and more conservative governance. What has really hurt Ohio, and the other states, is dumb public policy like Obamacare, which distorts the market so much that many people can't work as many hours as they would like because of arbitrary government rules forcing companies to pay benefits. The U.S. needs state and federal government that promotes stable and attractive investment conditions for domestic and foreign companies, to promote investment and employment. What we have had too much of, instead, are Democrats who pass too many laws, run up too much public debt, and have lowered the U.S.'s rating in the world as a desirable investment site, as per international company ratings. Like I said, loving retards. Dystram fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Oct 17, 2014 |
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Beamed posted:What the gently caress? The dude was a bonafide great neurosurgeon. What happened to him? From first hand experience, the training it takes to become a doctor of any sort drains any and all intelligence in all other areas except golfing.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:From first hand experience, the training it takes to become a doctor of any sort drains any and all intelligence in all other areas except golfing. You'd be making a mistake by thinking any of these shills are dumb. Riding the right-wing gravy train is basically free money; you just spout nonsense and get some ghostwritten books with your name on them and you're set for life.
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Dystram posted:Ideally education but probably nothing until the cohort that relies on the MSM for its information ages out of the voting population. From their point of view they voted for Obama initially and things haven't improved. Obviously most of that is due to the GOP sabotaging the government but it's not like the media is really eager to point fingers instead of generic "both sides can't compromise" stories.
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Beamed posted:What the gently caress? The dude was a bonafide great neurosurgeon. What happened to him? You know how when you have dumb friends or family who give some long rant about politics with some "common sense solutions" sprinkled in, some other dumb friend/family member will say "Heck, you oughta be president, you got it all figured out!"? I'm pretty sure that's what happened to Ben Carson.
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Dystram posted:Ideally education but probably nothing until the cohort that relies on the MSM for its information ages out of the voting population. Well, really, both sides are bad right now on economic issues because as the GOP has drunkenly careened to the right the democrats have followed them until there isn't really anyone left on the, well, left who truly cares about things like workers rights and people having living wages. The democrats have been perfectly happy to celebrate the dropping unemployment numbers even though the new jobs that are appearing do not provide a living wage and the lost ones might have. With a few exceptions they don't appear to have much interest in dealing with the huge problem of student loans. They are just fine with austerity, they just won't want it at the level the GOP wants. We don't have a left and right party, we have a slightly right party and a "loony bin" party. The only real areas that the democrats are (sometimes) Left on are social issues. So, in short: Both sides are bad on the economy, one is just way way worse than the other and its members need to be in straight jackets in padded rooms, not running the country.
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Radish posted:From their point of view they voted for Obama initially and things haven't improved. Obviously most of that is due to the GOP sabotaging the government but it's not like the media is really eager to point fingers instead of generic "both sides can't compromise" stories. "I voted for Obama and things haven't changed, so I'm going to vote for the other guys who screwed things up so much that it made me vote for Obama" is a really loving stupid thing to think. The problem is stupidity and a lack of civics knowledge. People have no idea how government works. They think the President is King and that the office is the only thing that matters. The media fuels this of course. So you're looking at things being terrible for as long as people keep the TV on.
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Dystram posted:You'd be making a mistake by thinking any of these shills are dumb. Riding the right-wing gravy train is basically free money; you just spout nonsense and get some ghostwritten books with your name on them and you're set for life. For real. Carson will occupy the same space as cain and Gingrich in 2016. Candidate Book Tour.
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Dystram posted:Ideally education but probably nothing until the cohort that relies on the MSM for its information ages out of the voting population. You assume that that's a thing that's going to happen. It wouldn't surprise me if Millenials with full-time jobs and marriages and kids wound up defaulting back to the "turn CNN/Fox/MSNBC on while I'm making dinner" news gathering mode. Getting news from Web 2.0 can be time-consuming. Sure, if you've got your perfect Twitter feed/blog RSS setup going and you're already in front of a computer, it's great. But I'm not sure Joe Schmoe's gonna come home from work, deal with kids and dinner, and then sit down with his computer or tablet and seek out news for an hour a night when he could be watching entertainment or screwing his wife or whatever. Of course, the thing about predicting the future is that it's really hard, so who knows.
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Dystram posted:"I voted for Obama and things haven't changed, so I'm going to vote for the other guys who screwed things up so much that it made me vote for Obama" is a really loving stupid thing to think. I think it has a lot to do with lowered education budgets, irresponsible but pervasive media pushing narratives that may or may not be factual, and the incredible stress of having your life fall apart and being in debt while pursuing the "American Dream." There's a lot of very powerful factors that actively want people to vote against their own interests and it can be very difficult to get around those if you don't know better. For instance the Southern Aristocracy has four hundred years of experience in getting poor whites to hate poor blacks instead of the people actually loving them over and that's very difficult to turn around. Outside of Fox News most media outlets like to present the problem of our government as a lack of compromise instead of one side being center right and the other having fallen off the cliff in to John Birch hell so it's not surprising that often when one party fails people say gently caress it and vote for the other if they aren't knowledgeable about reality. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Oct 17, 2014 |
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Sir Tonk posted:For real. Carson will occupy the same space as cain and Gingrich in 2016. Candidate Book Tour. If my man, the Cain Train, doesn't run again in 2016, Carson would make a worthy heir.
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Did anyone catch Josh Earnest telling a correspondent "People see your face and the NBC logo in the corner and trust what you're saying, which is why it's so important that you inform the public about the facts of ebola", and by the time he said 'trust' the entirety room sans Earnest started chuckling? I'll see if I can't get a direct timestamped link. edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=II_F15yCgUc#t=6089 give it 30 seconds for context and the line itself. How did this happen? The media thinks its funny that they are a trusted source of information to the American public, and laugh at the prospect of such a position carrying responsibility. Pythagoras a trois fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Oct 17, 2014 |
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Sir Tonk posted:For real. Carson will occupy the same space as cain and Gingrich in 2016. Candidate Book Tour. Reminder that the "National Draft Ben Carson for President Committee PAC" is run by Newt's people; Dr Carson has nothing to do with it. Guy may combine Michelle Bachman's personal loopiness with Herman Cain's professional ignorance of public policy, but he isn't a grifter out to fleece rubes. It's being done by the regular crooks using him as cover. Also, that PAC our raised Ready for Hillary PAC last quarter
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Joe "You Lie" Wilson (R-SC) doesn't think that ISIS is trying to bring Ebola into the US. No, no, you see, Hamas is trying to bring Ebola into the US.quote:“I’m very concerned. We had people who, I’ll repeat it, the creed of Hamas: We value death more than you value life. What? That’s their creed. Okay, well, part of their creed would be to bring persons who have Ebola into our country. It would promote their creed. And all this could be avoided by sealing the border, thoroughly. C’mon, this is the 21st century.” 
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Fried Chicken posted:Reminder that the "National Draft Ben Carson for President Committee PAC" is run by Newt's people; Dr Carson has nothing to do with it. Guy may combine Michelle Bachman's personal loopiness with Herman Cain's professional ignorance of public policy, but he isn't a grifter out to fleece rubes. It's being done by the regular crooks using him as cover. Eh...I wouldn't go that far. He's constantly out there doing stump speeches, writing lovely right-wing books and keeps teasing about how he might run if he feels the country "needs him".
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Joementum posted:Joe "You Lie" Wilson (R-SC) doesn't think that ISIS is trying to bring Ebola into the US. No, no, you see, Hamas is trying to bring Ebola into the US. Why it gotta be Hamas and not Al-Shabab? Even in counter-terrorism, Republicans ignore black men.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Even in counter-terrorism, Republicans ignore black men. The campaign of the Republican in San Diego who keeps jackin' it in front of his staffers isn't ignoring them. quote:A few emails later, Knepper gave staff this advice on identifying trackers: #3 is definitely my favorite. Up before noon on a weekend? HUGE RED FLAG!
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Fried Chicken posted:Reminder that the "National Draft Ben Carson for President Committee PAC" is run by Newt's people; Dr Carson has nothing to do with it. Guy may combine Michelle Bachman's personal loopiness with Herman Cain's professional ignorance of public policy, but he isn't a grifter out to fleece rubes. It's being done by the regular crooks using him as cover. If he wasn't trying to fleece rubes he'd still be focused on being a doctor and not a political hack.
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Frankenfinger posted:Ebola Tsar looks weird as written, like something from the newspaper scrambler. What does it unscramble to? Astrolabes are loving awesome, though. Look! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrolabe My conservative friend is gloating incessantly about Biden's son getting sprung for coke. Why did I get a Facebook again? gently caress.
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Cheekio posted:How did this happen? The media thinks its funny that they are a trusted source of information to the American public, and laugh at the prospect of such a position carrying responsibility.
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Radish posted:I really don't see an endgame here other than a theocratic third world nightmare with a few hold out areas in fifty years or so as the cuts to education really sink in, public assets and the environment is sold to the highest bidder, and more and more wealth becomes consolidated in the hands of a tiny percentage of Americans. It doesn't help much that it seems as soon as someone gets any sort of success they fall into the "gently caress you, got mine" mentality a large part of our media hammers into us at all times. Sadly this is the only likely conclusion I keep coming back to as well. As of our services and infrastructure is sold off and things keep deteriorating, the answer is and will be more austerity and privatization. Both parties are bought and paid for. Its just that one actively hates you and wants to gently caress you with a knife. Don't get me wrong, I vote a straight don't gently caress me with a knife ticket but its mostly in hopes that things will burn down slower. I just can't fault people for giving up completely. We're pretty much hosed baring an alien invasion of benevolent, socialist, two-headed, cat people. So basically, whiskey sours.
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Mr Interweb posted:Sorry Joementum. I challenge your quote of the day with my own: Because that's what I'm looking for with my brain surgeons. Common sense. What the loving gently caress?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:From first hand experience, the training it takes to become a doctor of any sort drains any and all intelligence in all other areas except golfing. Can confirm. Dated a doctor for about a year. She was pretty awesome in general, and brilliant when it came to science/health and poo poo, but clueless about practically everything else.
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Iron Twinkie posted:Sadly this is the only likely conclusion I keep coming back to as well. As of our services and infrastructure is sold off and things keep deteriorating, the answer is and will be more austerity and privatization. Both parties are bought and paid for. Its just that one actively hates you and wants to gently caress you with a knife. Don't get me wrong, I vote a straight don't gently caress me with a knife ticket but its mostly in hopes that things will burn down slower. I just can't fault people for giving up completely. We're pretty much hosed baring an alien invasion of benevolent, socialist, two-headed, cat people. The answer is that extrapolation is a flawed premise.
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Michael Dunn is getting life without parole for murdering Jordan Davis: http://www.news4jax.com/news/michael-dunns-sentencing-hearing-scheduled-for-friday-morning/29185992 Honestly can't say I feel bad for the guy. Would be nice if Darrel Wilson got to be his cellmate.
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Jackson Taus posted:You assume that that's a thing that's going to happen. It wouldn't surprise me if Millenials with full-time jobs and marriages and kids wound up defaulting back to the "turn CNN/Fox/MSNBC on while I'm making dinner" news gathering mode. Getting news from Web 2.0 can be time-consuming. Sure, if you've got your perfect Twitter feed/blog RSS setup going and you're already in front of a computer, it's great. But I'm not sure Joe Schmoe's gonna come home from work, deal with kids and dinner, and then sit down with his computer or tablet and seek out news for an hour a night when he could be watching entertainment or screwing his wife or whatever. Also a lot of people my age (early 20s) get their info almost exclusively from social media which might actually be worse. At least TV doesn't have a character limit which basically forces you to make soundbytes and nothing else. And if they're on Facebook the news are accompanied by screeching uniformed outrage before they even click the article.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, "I went to a restaurant up in New York when I was there during the General Assembly, and my credit card was rejected. It turned out I guess I don't use it enough. So they thought there was some fraud going on. Fortunately, Michelle had hers." ~ Barack Obama at the CFPB. ...and then he said "I don't have a clue" and the charge went through.
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Joementum posted:He also says in that interview that he thinks Republicans can capture a third of the African American vote. This is actually his Tough On Crime stance
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Joementum posted:Joe "You Lie" Wilson (R-SC) doesn't think that ISIS is trying to bring Ebola into the US. No, no, you see, Hamas is trying to bring Ebola into the US. "According to this one statement I'm attributing to Hamas, if you can think of a thing to do that would result in the death of at least one person, they're doing it. Part of their creed would also be launching the entire continent of North America into the sun, right? It'd promote their creed!"
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Fugitive Voter Act I almost spit out my drink
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mooyashi posted:This is actually his Tough On Crime stance Holy poo poo.
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mooyashi posted:This is actually his Tough On Crime stance 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Fugitive Voter Act Yeah, I should have said earlier... 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Fugitive Voter Act mooyashi posted:This is actually his Tough On Crime stance Can't decide which is better!
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Dystram posted:You'd be making a mistake by thinking any of these shills are dumb. Riding the right-wing gravy train is basically free money; you just spout nonsense and get some ghostwritten books with your name on them and you're set for life. No, a lot of doctors really are just dumb as gently caress.
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