|
Jackard posted:Also that a metalbending novice is supposed to achieve a level of expertise that her own daughters never did.
|
#
?
Oct 20, 2014 23:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 14:41 |
|
|
Read posted:Also she's the avatar so. Baron Bifford posted:ATLA was a show where young teenagers in a matter of months achieve a level of mastery that surpassed most adult masters. It can happen. Jackard fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Oct 21, 2014 |
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 00:49
|
|
|
Jackard posted:They pointed out in the show that the Avatar has mastered standard bending hundreds of times over, which isn't the case with metalbending. Also she can no longer receive the guidance of her past lives. The Avatar wasn't the only youngster attaining incredible mastery quickly in Last Airbender. And it might be a very different matter to bend something out of your own body. Also there's nothing saying Toph won't still end up giving either pointers or training.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 00:53
|
|
|
About halfway through the first episode where Korra metalbends she's dancing around with those wires and schooling two people who've been practicing metalbending most of their lives. I think she's got this.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 00:58
|
|
|
Bongo Bill posted:Korra's status as "the first metalbending Avatar" better come up in the finale, or so help me, I'm done with this series. I think you'll be done with the series either way.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 01:09
|
|
|
ATLA had some instances where it implied that the Avatar is inherently more powerful than a standard bender too. For instance, to enter the fire sages' temple required 5 firebenders or "a fully-realized Avatar" (I believe that's the line). I'm guessing the Avatar has some built-in advantages that Korra will be able to use when metalbending the metal out of her body.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 02:15
|
|
|
I think that's simply referring to the Avatar State, that a fully-realized Avatar can access at will.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 02:21
|
|
|
BrianWilly posted:I think that's simply referring to the Avatar State, that a fully-realized Avatar can access at will. That's a fair interpretation, but I do still think there are natural levels of bending talent with the Avatar being typically much more adept than the average bender. I'm glad they've never outright stated this, as it gets into some midichlorians-level awfulness when a show starts assigning characters numerical power ratings.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 02:27
|
|
|
It might just be an inherent feature of Wang's soul. She hasn't got his memories, but she's still his reincarnation, and Wang was an inherently talented bender of all elements.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 02:32
|
|
|
TheBalor posted:It might just be an inherent feature of Wang's soul. She hasn't got his memories, but she's still his reincarnation, and Wang was an inherently talented bender of all elements. Wang Fire is gone, but his burning spirit lives on within Korra. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 02:34
|
|
|
Rosalind posted:That's a fair interpretation, but I do still think there are natural levels of bending talent with the Avatar being typically much more adept than the average bender. I'm glad they've never outright stated this, as it gets into some midichlorians-level awfulness when a show starts assigning characters numerical power ratings. I agree about the different levels of bending. I think they've strongly hinted at this in the past: apparently only one in a hundred earthbenders can metalbend, and didn't Pakku say that Katara was the best student he ever taught or something? Azula and Korra were both considered to be prodigies and Aang was the youngest Airbending master ever (at least until Jinora), while Zuko never really reached the bending heights of his relatives (in the original series at least). We haven't really seen low-level bending talent because both Avatars have tended to hang out with talented benders. I do wonder whether that's typical for the Avatar though. Roku hadn't distinguished himself in any apparent way before he became Avatar, and it was emphasized that Wan's uniqueness was more in his personal qualities than in his bending. From what we saw only Aang and Korra really showed themselves truly gifted in their bending abilities.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 04:02
|
|
|
Sato posted:We haven't really seen low-level bending talent because both Avatars have tended to hang out with talented benders.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 04:18
|
|
|
SpiderHyphenMan posted:There's really two options here. Either look at it as destiny that the Avatar attracts prodigies, or accept that the Avatar and the people they are closest to are going to be exceptionally talented because that allows for more dynamic and intense action sequences. I have to admit, I kind of love the idea of an Avatar struggling to master the elements/Avatar State who surrounds himself with loser benders in order to make himself look better in comparison.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 04:32
|
|
|
Sato posted:We haven't really seen low-level bending talent because both Avatars have tended to hang out with talented benders. We have. What about all those random Fire Nation soldiers in TLA that only seem to be able to produce piddly fire blasts with the accuracy of a Stormtrooper?
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 04:43
|
|
|
Neo_Crimson posted:We have. What about all those random Fire Nation soldiers in TLA that only seem to be able to produce piddly fire blasts with the accuracy of a Stormtrooper? All the main characters are secret bloodbenders so the soldiers never had a chance.  I did actually think of two: the two mooks Bolin recruited to the Fire Ferrets in season 2. They aren't exactly significant characters though.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 05:19
|
|
|
Immediate impressions of the game - It takes a bit too long to start giving you your toolset. I was half an hour past the tutorial before i even unlocked bending, and I still just have waterbending an hour in. It won't matter past the first play through, but it's a little annoying. Past that, though, I can still start to see the potential for rad combos come through. Being a budget title, it's obviously gonna be more limited than Bayonetta or W101, but there's more here than a cheap effortless cash in. Parry counters don't feel as great as in Revengeance, but still feel really good.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 06:34
|
|
|
Korra's got disabling mercury fragments inside her? Wellp, she's just gonna have to deal with it. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 06:42
|
|
|
Geez, Toph, just give poor Korra a sedative.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 08:04
|
|
|
Sato posted:We haven't really seen low-level bending talent because both Avatars have tended to hang out with talented benders.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 12:25
|
|
|
Korra just needs to regain her self esteem and confidence by the next episode and accept her responsibility as the Ahvtar. Basically, she has to do an Aang this time, not something she had to deal with throughout the first three seasons.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 13:23
|
|
|
Bolin was never average. He was a sports star from his first appearance.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 14:01
|
|
|
Pomp posted:Immediate impressions of the game - It takes a bit too long to start giving you your toolset. I was half an hour past the tutorial before i even unlocked bending, and I still just have waterbending an hour in. It won't matter past the first play through, but it's a little annoying. I completely forgot that that was coming out today.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 14:18
|
|
|
Jackard posted:Also that a metalbending novice is supposed to achieve a level of expertise that her own daughters never did. Her daughters were, I assume unknowingly, fighting against the avatar for the entire time they were trying to get the metal out, which is why they couldn't do it. When Korra fully accepts that she wants the metal out then it would be much easier task. Toph seemed not to want to help her get the metal out mostly as she new if even if she did Korra would still would be having an eternal battle with her fears, that would be holding her back, so better to give Korra a goal to work towards, then do it then just give her a simple soultion that didn't help with the underlying problem. Sort of like when she was training Aang she just made him face the problem head on until he could do it, she's treating Korra exact same way. Earth benders can be helpfully jerkish like that I guess.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 14:41
|
|
|
X_Toad posted:I would say that both series allowed us to see at least one bender go from "average" to "great", Katara in ATLA and Bolin LOK. Katara was never average, just untrained. When she finally found a teacher she became a master in a matter of weeks/months. Hauldren Collider posted:Bolin was never average. He was a sports star from his first appearance. He was also hampered by his life on the streets: no bending master to train him and no exposure to traditional earthbending. He'll never be Toph but he picked up pretty quickly over the series and did pretty well against Ghazan and co despite no formal training.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 14:43
|
|
|
dr_rat posted:Toph seemed not to want to help her get the metal out mostly as she new if even if she did Korra would still would be having an eternal battle with her fears, that would be holding her back, so better to give Korra a goal to work towards, then do it then just give her a simple soultion that didn't help with the underlying problem. uncleKitchener posted:Korra just needs to regain her self esteem and confidence by the next episode and accept her responsibility as the Ahvtar. quote:Katara was never average, just untrained. When she finally found a teacher she became a master in a matter of weeks/months. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Oct 21, 2014 |
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 15:24
|
|
|
Baron Bifford posted:That's exactly what my surgeon told me when I went to him complaining about my appendicitis. It's a purely psychological issue! The problem is that this largely is a psychological issue. I think Toph understands that while the metal is messing with Korra, it isn't her biggest problem. If she took out the metal herself and Korra still couldn't get back to her old form it would probably cause her to fall into despair. Forcing Korra to do it herself means that Korra will have to be introspective, and when she is ready she will remove the metal herself which will hopefully reinforce the positive changes she is trying to make. Or she is just a jerk. Could be that.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 15:59
|
|
|
Caros posted:The problem is that this largely is a psychological issue. I think Toph understands that while the metal is messing with Korra, it isn't her biggest problem. If she took out the metal herself and Korra still couldn't get back to her old form it would probably cause her to fall into despair. Knowing Toph, it's probably both. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 16:03
|
|
|
Being a jerk is how Toph shows affection.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 16:08
|
|
|
Reviews of the game are coming in, opinions are decidedly mixed.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 17:47
|
|
|
Caros posted:The problem is that this largely is a psychological issue. I think it's precisely the mercury poisoning that is causing Korra's psychological troubles, not some personal failure. Caros posted:I think Toph understands that while the metal is messing with Korra, it isn't her biggest problem. If she took out the metal herself and Korra still couldn't get back to her old form it would probably cause her to fall into despair. Caros posted:Forcing Korra to do it herself means that Korra will have to be introspective, and when she is ready she will remove the metal herself which will hopefully reinforce the positive changes she is trying to make. Caros posted:Or she is just a jerk. Could be that.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 17:51
|
|
|
MrAristocrates posted:Reviews of the game are coming in, opinions are decidedly mixed. Sounds like every Platinum game ever so far.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 17:51
|
|
|
Neo_Crimson posted:Sounds like every Platinum game ever so far. Except like, all of them.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 17:55
|
|
|
Baron Bifford posted:"Long-term exposure to mercury vapors can ravage the nervous system and cause symptoms that may begin with loss of appetite, poor mental focus or “brain fog”, fatigue, insomnia, and changes in behavior or personality, such as becoming more nervous, excitable or shy." (Source) It's not mercury, it's an unknown fictional metal. It can do w/e the writers want it to. The metal is there pretty clearly as a metaphor for Korra's mental issues. Once she resolves those she'll be able to remove the metal easily.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 17:55
|
|
|
Whatever it is, it's still the root of her problems.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 18:00
|
|
|
Toph gettin' soft in her old age.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 18:23
|
|
|
Metal as Metaphor would be a great name for a critical analysis of depictions of illness in the Avatar series in the style of Susan Sontag.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 18:33
|
|
|
Baron Bifford posted:"Long-term exposure to mercury vapors can ravage the nervous system and cause symptoms that may begin with loss of appetite, poor mental focus or “brain fog”, fatigue, insomnia, and changes in behavior or personality, such as becoming more nervous, excitable or shy." (Source) It's going to be both because this is a not only TV show and TV shows love easily solved mental problems, but a TV show with a heavy spiritual bend and focus on personal growth and all that. You can't get much spirituality out of "We took the mercury out and now you're all better!"
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 18:36
|
|
|
Genocyber posted:It's not mercury, it's an unknown fictional metal. There is 0 evidence for this claim. I mean, there's no evidence that it's mercury, but the Korra world does have platinum and that liquid metal acts and looks exactly like mercury.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 18:46
|
|
|
thexerox123 posted:There is 0 evidence for this claim. What's a lethal dose of mercury? That was a lot of mercury. She should be a vegetable.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 18:52
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 14:41 |
|
|
GigaPeon posted:What's a lethal dose of mercury? That was a lot of mercury. She should be a vegetable. She's also the Avatar.
|
|
#
?
Oct 21, 2014 19:10
|
|
