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No kidding. poo poo went fully "Let's break out the frosty goat-blood" grim. Let's see if that  -count keeps going up. Also, is it just me or did THAT particular scene just screamed Urobuchi? Like, I know he's only script supervisor this time around, but that seemed the right amount of mean-spirited that I came to expect from the Old-School Urobuchi.
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Oct 31, 2014 15:07
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YF-23 posted:Basically he wanted to get people stressed because the way society under Sybil works the stress elimination (and the obsession with it to the point of being heavy on anti-stress/anti-depression medicine as a matter of course) kills their humanity, turns them into zombies. He keeps mentioning "eustress deficiency" - "eu-" as a prefix comes from Greek, meaning good - you know how we sometimes say "a little stress is good for you"? That notion is dead in Sybil's society, the concept is seen as an urban legend. So the only way to show those people how to be human again, how to be alive again is to make them experience stress. Thanks, I had a clue it was related to the concept of stress but if could be justed based on my own conjecture but isn't mental illness dependant on the idea how the brain is lacking in some critical item leading to for example depression? (We can go into whether or not this is just some giant Pharma conspiracy elsewhere  )However, extreme stress even for a little while is detrimental and the self-contradictory effect isn't what I'd call a epiphany to the clinic people as we can see. The best situation would be where people could manage their own stress levels over time. Shimotsuki sticks to her character flaws but that's not surprising considering she is just a Jr Inspector and all. I can't bring myself to hate or even dislike her because so far she is just doing her job to the best of her ability. BTW: I did notice some off-frame scenes during the fighting sequences too. Alder fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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Oct 31, 2014 17:25
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Is there any story reason for the guns to cause people to explode?
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Oct 31, 2014 17:37
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There was a very subtle thing but it is possible that Akane's grandmother is suffering from eustress disorder. Remember that from season 1 that Akane values her deeply. There is also Ginoza warning Akane about getting too obsessed about the case. Which is a pretty good callback to season 1 and at the same time, very strange. She's pretty much unflappable although we don't know why her psycho-pass is like that at all. The only time when her criminal coefficient spiked was when she saw her good friend murdered in front of her, and that stabilized after a period of time. Maybe we will find out soon enough about her mental state. If season 1 involves Akane finding her place and what she values, season 2 is where they are put to the test and see how far those values will take her.
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Oct 31, 2014 17:55
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What I like so far is that the whole 'WC?' thing is being interpreted by Akane and crew as being about the psycho-pass, while Kamui means it as a question about everyone's humanity (we are all red on the inside). Very different questions with very different answers.
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Oct 31, 2014 19:23
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Dante Logos posted:There was a very subtle thing but it is possible that Akane's grandmother is suffering from eustress disorder. Remember that from season 1 that Akane values her deeply. Hmm--sorry, I had forgotten about Akane's family life now that you mention it, I get a sense she has a distant relationship w/her parents. It's better than having the usual MYPARENTSAREDEAD! history for all MCs. For example, I don't see any family photos or anything at her apt or anyone calling to check on her on weekends or ask about her job. We meet her HS friends but nothing about her own family. IMHO Gino would calm down a bit because Akane knows what's she's doing considering everything in S1, mmk? Yes, I know, but she's not exactly asking for any advice from him.
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Oct 31, 2014 20:25
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I don't see Shimotsuki as redeemable. My hope is that as she seems to be crushing on Yayoi right now, that Yayoi acts completely disgusted with Shimotsuki as a person and totally rejects her. My guess is that Shimotsuki will continue to act like a total idiot while Akane continues to do things in a unique and independent way. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the reasons Akane is still alive is that Sibyl hopes to eventually add her brain to the fold one day as well.
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Oct 31, 2014 23:32
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Even if there's no plan to add Akane's to the brainplex, Sibyl probably sees Akane as an asset. If you are a system that is aware of its own nature and of the awfully strict dependencies the entire populace and police force has with you, then someone who is in the know and doesn't have to fear thinking outside the tiny box you've set up is incredibly useful, as a failsafe if nothing else. Probably would've been a different story if Akane didn't take the collaborationist route but since she's working with instead of against Sibyl that's just about the biggest win/win.
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Nov 1, 2014 00:02
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Dan7el posted:I don't see Shimotsuki as redeemable. My hope is that as she seems to be crushing on Yayoi right now, that Yayoi acts completely disgusted with Shimotsuki as a person and totally rejects her. What? She's basically acting the same way Ginoza did, she just needs a good kick in the butt.
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Nov 1, 2014 02:59
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YF-23 posted:Even if there's no plan to add Akane's to the brainplex, Sibyl probably sees Akane as an asset. Akane's definitely a major asset, if only because Sibyl needs someone who might actually disobey its orders when they know it's in society's (and, in Sibyl's twisted game, Sibyl's own) interests. Sibyl's trained an entire country of obedient citizens to give it total control, including people who can robotically plug away at civilians who have witnessed a breakdown in the system if necessary. But at least Akane can be the one to say that killing civilian witnesses is exactly what this season's villain wants. The entire Psycho-Pass world is a really interesting metaphor for authoritarian or oligopolic political systems. In this case, Akane mirrors the dissenter/crusader who nevertheless, by never advocating for actually overthrowing the system (verboten!), only acts as a pressure valve to prevent the impetus for complete revolution. In Akane's case, it's because she really does believe in the the divine right of Sibyl, and that it's the best way to optimally manage society. Of course, for all we know the lives of people outside of Japan really are nasty, brutish, and short. But surely, Psycho-Pass argues, there must be a better way. Anything is better than this (i.e.  ). Right? But what does that anything look like? This is Akane's real challenge: to see if she can transcend Sibyl but still do right by her morals, and develop something beyond Sibyl that still does right by society. Frankly, it's entirely likely that she'll fail and it will take a villain and/or a critical mass of society revolting to actually unplug the drat thing. But that's the conflict within this season that I'm most interested in watching. (FYI none of the above is really new, if you watched the end of last season the same conflict is there, and it's been there for some time. The most immediate real question is what the hell Akane and Shimotsuki are going to do with what they just saw.)
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Nov 1, 2014 05:26
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I actually think it'd be pretty rad if Akane called in a favor from Sibyl, based on her being one of very few people who know the truth about the system. She's probably already getting some favoritism, such as visiting and calling up the psychologist in prison, but I'd like to see her have a Dominator under her control or just the ability to really boss around the other divisions and get them to follow the assumptions she's making on the case. Basically, the next time anyone is standing outside the murder and torture house with their thumb up their butt, she should be alerted immediately and be able to tell them to start blowing up some walls to get the hell in there.
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Nov 1, 2014 07:35
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I think its pretty clear 90% of her favouritism is already used up by "We're allowing you to live with this knowledge because we're generous." Plus I don't think Akane is that type of person.
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Nov 1, 2014 15:02
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Of course, for all we know the lives of people outside of Japan really are nasty, brutish, and short. But surely, Psycho-Pass argues, there must be a better way. Anything is better than this (i.e. Um, actually we don't have clue how life is overseas or even not in Japan. I don't recall where anyone talks about life outside the area other than Sybil controls everything inside the country. It could be different in P-P Extended but I'm just going with the regular S1 to the best of my knowledge.
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Nov 1, 2014 15:08
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Alder posted:Um, actually we don't have clue how life is overseas or even not in Japan. I don't recall where anyone talks about life outside the area other than Sybil controls everything inside the country. Yes, that's why he said "for all we know" and not "we know for sure". 
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If we're willing to take the New Edit scenes into account, Akane and Yayoi have that discussion about how Sibyl is just making itself look better in regards to the history of the world, so I'm entirely willing to bet that, while not everything in the world outside of Japan is peachy-keen, that juuuuuuuuuuust maybe the Sibyl system is trying to perpetuate its own rear end through BS and make the whole world worse than it might be. I mean, if Ernie Ball (the Guitar strings Shinya teases with/promises Yayoi in that flashback episode) are still around, it means that, for example, not everything in the US has gone to poo poo. Unless they don't make them in SoCal anymore. 
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Nov 1, 2014 18:25
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The_White_Crane posted:Yes, that's why he said "for all we know" and not "we know for sure". And I said "to the best of my knowledge"  Anyway, I'm all for learning what happened to the rest of the world too. Japan is cool and all.
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Wark Say posted:I mean, if Ernie Ball (the Guitar strings Shinya teases with/promises Yayoi in that flashback episode) are still around, it means that, for example, not everything in the US has gone to poo poo. Unless they don't make them in SoCal anymore.
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So, since it's now been proven Kamui can "wake people" from eustress deficiency and Akane mentioned her grandmother can't move, so maybe we'll get to see some grandma Tsunemori vs Akane. I want this because I want to meet Akane's family. Also I think there should be an awesome grandma in every show. V V
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Paracelsus posted:Or they're part of a dwindling stock of pre-isolation imports, and are far more precious as a result. I suddenly don't like a future where you can't buy a Slinky set for that sweet Tele sound on E-flat.  For real, though: If Sibyl touched Gotoh, I would probably go latent criminal all up in this bitch.
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Wark Say posted:Also, is it just me or did THAT particular scene just screamed Urobuchi? Like, I know he's only script supervisor this time around, but that seemed the right amount of mean-spirited that I came to expect from the Old-School Urobuchi. It's possible his influence is still being felt in scenes like that, but if you're familiar at all with Tow Ubakata's Mardock Scramble, then you know that the bizarre, twisted, and incredibly violent are definitely not outside of his wheelhouse.
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Great Rumbler posted:It's possible his influence is still being felt in scenes like that, but if you're familiar at all with Tow Ubakata's Mardock Scramble, then you know that the bizarre, twisted, and incredibly violent are definitely not outside of his wheelhouse. Yeah, I read the novels and I saw the movies, and I get that Ubukata is also into the "Ha ha! Made you eat your parents!" kind of almost childish mean-spiritedness that Urobuchi is sometimes known for, but I swear that the whole events that led to Aoyanagi getting thrown into a poo poo-shower right after having a chit-chat with Gino and getting herself killed made me remember that part of Fate/Zero with Angra Mainyu loving with Kiritsugu. Like, I know we're not supposed to say "Oh, poor widdle x and y" but holy crap that just felt like the biggest 'gently caress you' to that particular character.
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Man I dunno what it is about this season but I really am put off my this show now. It just feels 'off'.
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korrandark posted:Is there any story reason for the guns to cause people to explode? I'm amused that this question went entirely unanswered. The answer is 
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korrandark posted:Is there any story reason for the guns to cause people to explode? Plus, it looks really, really gory and makes the whole Sibyl-is-wicked-to-the-core thing seem all the more likely. Plus, technology.
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Dan7el posted:I don't know of any particular story reason, but I surmise that people explode because it's a sure-fire way to kill someone. There's no wounding of the victim. There's no way a person shot with at Dominater set to "death mode" can crawl away and heal. They can't pick up a knife and stab someone as they gasp their last breath, and finally, if you have someone charging you, and they explode before they get to you, it stops them but good. Except that one guy from the first season that only got his arm blown off and ran away - only to get blown up later, but still. In all seriousness there has been zero explanation for the Dominators' grisly abilities. Most likely, there is no reason why except that it sells the brutality and wrong-ness of the police outright killing people on the street. Maybe someone on the staff just thought that would be cool, instead of having the Dominator just shoot boring, normal bullets. e: glomkettle posted:The guy who got his arm blown off was also specifically noted to be on drugs that inhibited the dominaotr's function, unless I'm mixing up criminals from season 1. I think you're right actually. That's probably why he wasn't outright killed. ViggyNash fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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The guy who got his arm blown off was also specifically noted to be on drugs that inhibited the dominaotr's function, unless I'm mixing up criminals from season 1.
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ViggyNash posted:I'm amused that this question went entirely unanswered. Likewise I have no idea. Although, if the Dominators shot out lasers it could still be pretty awesome. It might get a little too Star Wars-like though with all the colorful beams going off in a gunfight. People would just fall over once shot but it'd save on cleaning time after crime scenes. Hmm--am I the only person confused why everyone casually picks up bloody items leftover?  That can't be hygienic.
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Nov 3, 2014 03:05
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Alder posted:Likewise I have no idea. It's because they outsource that job to this poor janitor.
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Alder posted:Hmm--am I the only person confused why everyone casually picks up bloody items leftover? Its just fruit punch!
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glomkettle posted:The guy who got his arm blown off was also specifically noted to be on drugs that inhibited the dominaotr's function, unless I'm mixing up criminals from season 1. Well, more like he was drugged so that he could not feel pain. Like having your arm blown off kind of pain. Also, I think it is either microwaves or nano-machines.
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Nov 3, 2014 20:46
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Dominators don't actually fire anything, they just cause the microbombs that everyone has implanted inside them to explode. 
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I like that's it's just a consistent thing that the weapon of choice for criminals are nail guns. I really want to know how other jobs function in this world. I assume you can't replace all doctors with machines, but it's another high stress job. Are doctors just completely emotionally cut off from their patients? Are there enforcer doctors that tell the families when someone died? The politician is a weird one since there's probably not a politician alive that could hope to have a clear psycho pass. Even people like CEOs have to constantly be thinking in ways that may not be completely criminal, but would certainly be sneaky and manipulative. Sibyl is either unwilling or unable to deliberately give someone an undeserved pass. Even when directly threatened by people with artificially clear passes, she couldn't allow the dominators to fire freely.
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Dr_Amazing posted:
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Or we could go by the idea that you are judged more on how much of a threat you are to the system as well as it being a summation of your mental health. So a sneaky politician wouldn't be too negatively affected as long as his policies/ideas are good for sibyl. And so on. Has anything in the show or from extra materials gone over the different states of psychopasses? Like colors or stages of clouding?
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Sextro posted:Or we could go by the idea that you are judged more on how much of a threat you are to the system as well as it being a summation of your mental health. So a sneaky politician wouldn't be too negatively affected as long as his policies/ideas are good for sibyl. And so on. It goes: clear, hazy, foggy, partly cloudy, partly sunny, overcast, cloudy.
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@Tamba: Genius, it all makes sense now. BTW: Their personalities are relatively similar too for anyone else who is not watching Gugure, the MC is very down to earth and rational for a kid.
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well the stuff in tougane's drawer and the face transplant stuff in the abandoned building seem awful coincidental... maybe there'll be some attempted face stealing directed towards akane. Also, the picture on his dresser kind of looks like him and the chief
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absolem posted:well the stuff in tougane's drawer and the face transplant stuff in the abandoned building seem awful coincidental... maybe there'll be some attempted face stealing directed towards akane. Also, the picture on his dresser kind of looks like him and the chief He's a secret Akane fanboy confirmed I'm sure that's his real mother or caretaker since he did mention he had living family members. I got the impression he was doing a BG check on Akane so he'd seem reliable and she'd trust him easier over time. Or it could be one giant red herring as it's out in the open on his desk and all. I wonder who is skilled enough in face transplants in the world? IIRC it's a tricky surgery. My top moments would be Yayoi patting Mika's head like a dog. IDK but the last time I tried this I got scolded for being disrespectful. I agree with the Chief thought how as a Inspector Mika isn't suited to her job
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