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Rosalind posted:Amon - Communism Rosalind posted:Unalaq - Religious Fundamentalism Jimbot posted:I did take issue with Toph's bone-headed evaluation of previous season's antagonists. It felt like she was a writer's surrogate tell the audience that these monsters had good ideas when, in fact, two of the three of them were clearly monsters. Zaheer was at least honest about his philosophy Unalaq was just an rear end in a top hat. Which is too bad because I think his goals could have really made an easy set-up for a villain who had good intentions and goals but that the heroes still fought because of various misunderstandings and the apparent insanity of his plans. PiedPiper posted:And what does GODWIN VILLAIN even mean? uncleKitchener posted:Season 2 had a lot of things happen and had some of the best fight scenes. Problem was mostly with early season characterization. Other than that, it really wasn't that bad.
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Amon was literally the opposite of Hitler. He was fighting against the Bender Übermensch. He wanted everyone to be equal, so he tried to take away everyone's bending. Didn't Stalin enforce communism by sending all the rich people to the gulags? That's kind of the same thing.
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Nov 3, 2014 00:07
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Amon is actually a riff on Bane in the Dark Knight Rises, who uses existing tensions to power his movement but is in reality focused on revenge due to daddy issues (Ra's being Bane's metaphorical father). Notice also that Amon is fully depowered when his "mask" comes off (i.e., the facepaint as well as him masking his bending abilities), much like Bane is when Batman fucks with his mask.
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achillesforever6 posted:Some people think its cheap to use Hitler and fascist villains because its an easy way of making a villain evil. That and a lack of nuance or moral ambiguity. Ozai is literally Hitler, though. Same goes for Wehrmacht-like army of the Fire Nation. I rarely hear people opine against that. Kuvira is not a villain because she's hitlery. She's a villain because she's a powerhungry warmonger who doesn't think human lives are worth that much. And the good part is, it has been SHOWN and not TOLD. There aren't even that many allusions to Third Reich, to be honest, and many of those shown could be attributed to pretty much any tyrannical regime. You have to remember that, for its own part, Fascism (both Italian Fascism and German Nazism) relied on ancient imagery of cold grandeur, homoerotic machoism, and large scale constructions. It was basically a distilled form of despotism. PiedPiper fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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Nov 3, 2014 00:18
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computer parts posted:Amon is actually a riff on Bane in the Dark Knight Rises, who uses existing tensions to power his movement but is in reality focused on revenge due to daddy issues (Ra's being Bane's metaphorical father).
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Nov 3, 2014 00:25
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TheKingofSprings posted:How can Amon be a riff when season 1 of Korra ended an entire month before TDKR came out IIRC it was common knowledge that Bane was tied to the League of Shadows long before the movie came out so you don't need to know the particulars of the story to make a similar theme (like, you don't need to know about Talia at all).
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HoneyBoy posted:I hear ya Agree with 1 and 2 but bald women is weird sorry
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TheKingofSprings posted:Some hosed up poo poo being said in this thread wow harsh much? I can tell my opinion is unpopular and not wanted in such a hotbed of assholes
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computer parts posted:IIRC it was common knowledge that Bane was tied to the League of Shadows long before the movie came out so you don't need to know the particulars of the story to make a similar theme (like, you don't need to know about Talia at all).
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Hello. I cannot enjoy this children's anime which airs on Nickelodeon unless it has enough stuff i recognize from my 101 level government class.
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Me too. Korra and Bane, by dint of scheduling and animation time, had NOTHING to do with one another.
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Nov 3, 2014 01:53
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Rosalind posted:Unalaq - Religious Fundamentalism X_Toad posted:Never got that one either, although that's probably more because "religion" and "faith" in the Avatar Universe are somewhat poorly defined, and as a result Unalaq's cause was always nebulous beyond his hunger for power. I think theocracy is a better term to use to get Rosalind's point across. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy Sounds like Vaatu and Unalaq to me.
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I liked the mech fight.
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I think the biggest problem with The Legend of Korra is that even though it's ( Not that it's all Nickelodeon's fault. The massive step back everyone takes as a character in Book 2 is all on the writers, as is the nonsensicalness of what Jinora did at the end of that season, and Unalaq's terribly defined motives. But I think we could have had a lot of problems solved if Nickelodeon just said "We're done when you say we're done."
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I think the biggest problem with The Legend of Korra is that even though it's ( I don't necessarily agree with that. Zuko and his character development added a lot to the original show, but the original didn't depend entirely on character development to make itself great: Toph is extremely popular and her character development was pretty minimal, and everybody loves incidental characters like Foamy and the cabbage merchant (come to think of it, there are very few incidental characters like that in Korra). This franchise has always been a combination of story and character and that's why it's packed such a big punch. I don't necessarily think it's Nick's fault either: other shows have had weirdness with executive commitment and the writing hasn't really suffered. Nick also committed pretty quickly to three additional seasons: it wasn't like they waited until each season was over to decide whether they would commit to more episodes. We also haven't heard much about executive interference since pre-production of the first season, so it's not like Nick's watching the episodes and saying they want 70% more fartbending every episode or something--the only thing I've heard along those lines was Nick objecting to a proposed ComicCon poster and wanting something more family-friendly. I view the release issues as a different problem. I think that, like you said, the writers played a role, but I think they're more responsible than you give them credit for. I think that for the most part Korra's characters are fine/great (especially the adult characters) but the writers haven't been giving them storylines that help them shine. That's been improving lately. Are we going to get another Zuko? Signs point to no, but I like the characters enough in this series that it doesn't really matter to me.
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Sato posted:I think theocracy is a better term to use to get Rosalind's point across. Yeah that's fair. SpiderHyphenMan posted:I think the biggest problem with The Legend of Korra is that even though it's ( I totally agree. The feeling I constantly get is that Bryke spent so much time battling Nickelodeon and their absolutely irrational treatment of the show that they just didn't have the time, energy, or even just the knowledge that the show was going to be on the air the next week to do anything larger or more complex than what they did. And whatever yeah we didn't get the pure amazingness that was the original series books 2 and 3, but we did get some pretty great characters (Zaheer, Varrick) and well-executed episodes (Avatar Wan's story, Korra Alone, pretty much all of Book 3). Also I am a big fan of Korra and her hard-headedness, her struggles with depression (and interestingly, implied suicidal ideation), and her overarching theme of trying to figure out what it means when your only identity is "The Avatar" in a world where everyone is telling you that you're not needed anymore. On a barely related lighter note, I also went as Korra for Halloween this year and can I just say that I understand why she wears that pelt around her butt all-the-time. It was freezing cold here, but my buns were always nice and warm.
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Sato posted:everybody loves incidental characters like Foamy and the cabbage merchant (come to think of it, there are very few incidental characters like that in Korra).
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Rosalind posted:Also I am a big fan of Korra and her hard-headedness, her struggles with depression (and interestingly, implied suicidal ideation), and her overarching theme of trying to figure out what it means when your only identity is "The Avatar" in a world where everyone is telling you that you're not needed anymore. You know, I liked Zuko, but Korra is the only character in this franchise that has really, truly resonated with me on a personal level (though Tenzin's close). I loved Aang but his story didn't really connect with me until the final four episodes of his series. Korra has appealed to me from the beginning, even through her most boneheaded moments. She's a great series lead. I've always wondered about Korra's winter gear. That skimpy fur poncho doesn't look particularly warm, especially in midwinter like in Season 2. It has short(ish) sleeves! Jackard posted:After rewatching season one I enjoyed seeing "this old codger and his spirit pals!" I was waiting for him to show up again! I'm very disappointed Cabbage Corp hasn't become more of a running gag--just a mention in Season 3 about their crappy products. I'm surprised they're still in business what with Varrick and Asami being major players. Sato fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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I think Zhu Lee is sincere about serving Kuvira. Throughout the entire series she's been treated like a glorified pack mule. She does all sorts of harsh, demeaning work for Varrick and never once got so much as a thank you. His incompetence during the mech fight didn't help his case when they were eventually defeated. I think she finally reached her breaking point last episode and realized that being a thankless slave is getting her nowhere.
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sitchelin posted:I think Zhu Lee is sincere about serving Kuvira. Throughout the entire series she's been treated like a glorified pack mule. She does all sorts of harsh, demeaning work for Varrick and never once got so much as a thank you. His incompetence during the mech fight didn't help his case when they were eventually defeated. I think she finally reached her breaking point last episode and realized that being a thankless slave is getting her nowhere. He also didn't hesitate even for a second to save her life when things went wrong.
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sitchelin posted:I think Zhu Lee is sincere about serving Kuvira. Throughout the entire series she's been treated like a glorified pack mule. She does all sorts of harsh, demeaning work for Varrick and never once got so much as a thank you. His incompetence during the mech fight didn't help his case when they were eventually defeated. I think she finally reached her breaking point last episode and realized that being a thankless slave is getting her nowhere. You seem to think Korra is a show which approaches character relationships with even a modicum of reality. You should probably stop that.
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Please don't question Zhu Li's loyalty thank you.
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sitchelin posted:I think Zhu Lee is sincere about serving Kuvira. Throughout the entire series she's been treated like a glorified pack mule. She does all sorts of harsh, demeaning work for Varrick and never once got so much as a thank you. His incompetence during the mech fight didn't help his case when they were eventually defeated. I think she finally reached her breaking point last episode and realized that being a thankless slave is getting her nowhere. Zhu Li is a freak and loves to get treated like crap
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I have strong opinions about this dumb faux anime quick let me tell them to you *faaaaaaaaaaaaart*
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He named the flagship of his armada after her. You don't do that for someone you don't have feelings for.
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Xand_Man posted:He named the flagship of his armada after her. You don't do that for someone you don't have feelings for. I'm kind of expecting the official explanation for him naming a unit of weight measurement after her to be something super sappy, like her life is the only weight that matters or something. Basically I'm expecting some Tony Stark/Pepper Potts bullshit to round out the steampunk Iron Man vibe.
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sitchelin posted:I think Zhu Lee is sincere about serving Kuvira. Throughout the entire series she's been treated like a glorified pack mule. She does all sorts of harsh, demeaning work for Varrick and never once got so much as a thank you. His incompetence during the mech fight didn't help his case when they were eventually defeated. I think she finally reached her breaking point last episode and realized that being a thankless slave is getting her nowhere.
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Baron Bifford posted:Zhu Lee has been through so much crap for Varrick. Why would she suddenly turn on him now? Because Kuvira has an army and since she was Varrick's assistant and probably did all the work anyway, she probably knows how to re-setup those machines again for the spirit vine lasers? That's my guess at least, I dunno what else to assume.
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I'm certain it was just a ruse by Zhu Lee. What I'm interested in is whether Kuvira truly bought it or not.
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Why compare Kuvira to Hitler? We don't know if she leans left or right. The Soviets and the Khmer Rouge also ran camps for dissidents.
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Baron Bifford posted:Why compare Kuvira to Hitler? We don't know if she leans left or right. The Soviets and the Khmer Rouge also ran camps for dissidents. Hitler's the go-to comparison for all things authoritarian.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Hitler's the go-to comparison for all things authoritarian. Because you mention Francisco Franco and people go "who?", hell even though Stalin/Mao have a higher scores they did it to their own people, so Hilter is the go to dictator.
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PiedPiper posted:I'm certain it was just a ruse by Zhu Lee. What I'm interested in is whether Kuvira truly bought it or not. Completely bought into it, from the looks of things.
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Just make Kuvira the avatar. Thanks. edit: Zhu Lee was probably sincere when she joined Kuvira but Varrick will do something she thinks is romantic and turn on Kuvira at some point. Varrick's romanticism will either end up being sincere or a misinterpretation. Sephiroth_IRA fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Just make Zhu Lee the avatar. Thanks. ftfy One thing I've always wondered, what became of the Northern Air temple? Is it still a center for invention? Or learning? Is it a museum dedicated to the Machinist and his inventions? Is it still populated by hangliding enthusiasts?
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:ftfy Peanut sauce and munitions factory.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:ftfy It was destroyed by Ghazan at the end of last season. There were no mechanists or enthusiasts at the time.
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Baron Bifford posted:Why compare Kuvira to Hitler? We don't know if she leans left or right. The Soviets and the Khmer Rouge also ran camps for dissidents. Kuvira has literal fascist blackshirts running around in Republic City.
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Rincewind posted:Kuvira has literal fascist blackshirts running around in Republic City. I like that the blackshirts were apparently operating a Kuvira t-shirt stand in Republic City. Like they're going to beat up and Earth Kingdom monarchists, but also do some screenprinting on the side.
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Jorghnassen posted:It was destroyed by Ghazan at the end of last season. There were no mechanists or enthusiasts at the time. ...I must not have been paying attention, or just didn't realise that was supposed to be the Northern temple. There weren't even any pipes!
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