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flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

Toxxupation posted:

So what does The Lost...like, do

It's the hardest character to beat the game with, as you die in one hit. Items that boost HP and soul/eternal/dark hearts don't do anything. Beating all the things in the game with the lost on hard is the hardest thing to do in the game.

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Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

Toxxupation posted:

So what does The Lost...like, do

Dies, flies and gets free Devil items.

Unfortunately the last one isn't as great as it sounds because the first one means you probably want to skip Devil rooms for that "survive one hit per room" item.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer
This build is such an absurd meat grinder - brimstone with lil'brimstone and shielded contacts :wtc:

lazarus seed

Also getting Mama's Boy with holy mantle just feels wrong.

Lazarus has a lot of cool gimmicks especially if you get a really good first pill it seems, although I'm not a fan of how his respawn works making it so you basically want to die as fast as possible. Also Contract and 1+1 is ridiculous.

I got fly spawning at one point - is it a consequence of guppy form? Also are there effects of luck aside from drop rate? I seemed to get hearts on taking damage with nearly zero items early game but with a luck boost?

M42
Nov 12, 2012


What unlocks ipecac?

Darth Windu
Mar 17, 2009

by Smythe

Zoness posted:

This build is such an absurd meat grinder - brimstone with lil'brimstone and shielded contacts :wtc:

lazarus seed

Also getting Mama's Boy with holy mantle just feels wrong.

Lazarus has a lot of cool gimmicks especially if you get a really good first pill it seems, although I'm not a fan of how his respawn works making it so you basically want to die as fast as possible. Also Contract and 1+1 is ridiculous.

Why do you want to die as fast as possible?

Literal Nazi Furry
Jan 27, 2008

Swastika - Helvetica - Ikea
Last night I dreamt of Adolf searching for Anne.
I lay on my back
standing alone in the corner watching the girls dance.

I'm on crystal meth.
I piss in my pants.

M42 posted:

What unlocks ipecac?

Beating the game two times iirc.

M42
Nov 12, 2012


Literal Nazi Furry posted:

Beating the game two times iirc.

:argh: Guess I'm just unlucky then.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer

Darth Windu posted:

Why do you want to die as fast as possible?

As Lazarus when you die you respawn with one heart regardless of how many hearts you had and you get an extra ability that drops a blood trail when you take damage. It's not a big deal except if you're going to die at all you want to die early so you can pick up heart boosts again. Alternatively get a devil room and die by selling your hearts. This is a lot safer if you leave an extra heart or some soul hearts lying around.

Tracula
Mar 26, 2010

PLEASE LEAVE

Darth Windu posted:

Why do you want to die as fast as possible?

When Lazarus respawns he has an additional effect. Poison trail I believe?

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

That doesn't sound very useful.

fuepi
Feb 6, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
It's creep trail for a room after you take damage, if you'd rather kill yourself immediately for it than save your respawn you're really stupid.

Literal Nazi Furry
Jan 27, 2008

Swastika - Helvetica - Ikea
Last night I dreamt of Adolf searching for Anne.
I lay on my back
standing alone in the corner watching the girls dance.

I'm on crystal meth.
I piss in my pants.
It only takes effect on taking damage as well. Dying just grants you the anemic item and it's really not worth losing all but one of your hearts for.


e: beaten

Literal Nazi Furry fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Nov 9, 2014

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer

Volt Catfish posted:

That doesn't sound very useful.

Let me clarify that - it's nice being able to die fast by gunning for devil rooms on floor 1 and/or 2 , aggressively buying down to 1 heart or death and then procing the respawn and picking up the very high chance of +1 heart from the first or second boss.

I mean, if you're never getting hit it's not very uesful, there are some rooms that are a pain to get through without the anemic blood trail so it's a nice bonus, but the respawn itself is 3 extra hearts to give up in devil room deals which is great, so on top of that if you're going to die it's better to die earlier than later so you can start accumulating hearts again.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
The most useful use of Lazarus' extra life is that you can buy a devil deal that would normally kill you once.

Relyssa
Jul 29, 2012



Literal Nazi Furry posted:

Beating the game two times iirc.

Six times, actually. You get rubber cement for beating the game twice.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Am I the only one who goes "Ugh" when they see War coming up next? Not because he's hard but because he likes to charge constantly and his charge does 3 passses. He rarely, if ever, hits me with the charge, he just takes up so much time as I can only get a couple hits in on each pass.

It's like fighting trainers who spam Protect in Pokemon.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer

Alkydere posted:

Am I the only one who goes "Ugh" when they see War coming up next? Not because he's hard but because he likes to charge constantly and his charge does 3 passses. He rarely, if ever, hits me with the charge, he just takes up so much time as I can only get a couple hits in on each pass.

It's like fighting trainers who spam Protect in Pokemon.

I dunno, I thought Mask of Infamy was a longer fight still at least in old isaac, given you don't have piercing. Although I haven't seen it in rebirth yet.

strangemusic
Aug 7, 2008

I shield you because I need charge
Is not because I like you or anything!


Zoness posted:

I dunno, I thought Mask of Infamy was a longer fight still at least in old isaac, given you don't have piercing. Although I haven't seen it in rebirth yet.

Is the Mask gone now? Because holy poo poo he was the worst.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer

strangemusic posted:

Is the Mask gone now? Because holy poo poo he was the worst.

According to platinumgod the infamy item has a special effect with the mask so I assume it's still in rebirth given the item exists?

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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Zoness posted:

I dunno, I thought Mask of Infamy was a longer fight still at least in old isaac, given you don't have piercing. Although I haven't seen it in rebirth yet.

strangemusic posted:

Is the Mask gone now? Because holy poo poo he was the worst.

Oh, right, him. Yeah, he's in, I've fought him a couple of times.

War is "Ugh"

Mask is "UUUUUUUGH"

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007



Are PS4 trophies bugged? I beat the chest for the first time and didn't get anything.

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

Chernabog posted:

Are PS4 trophies bugged? I beat the chest for the first time and didn't get anything.
Check this out


I guess I'm screwed out of this achievement forever or something :psyduck:

Also after the latest patch on the PS4 the Steam Sale is now the Steamy Sale :laugh:

shodanjr_gr
Nov 20, 2007
So how do we get polaroid section unlocks? I was under the impression that I just had to get mom-heart kills with any character but it doesn't seem to be the case?

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

shodanjr_gr posted:

So how do we get polaroid section unlocks? I was under the impression that I just had to get mom-heart kills with any character but it doesn't seem to be the case?

You have to defeat a certain boss after mom's heart.

SystemLogoff
Feb 19, 2011

End Session?

shodanjr_gr posted:

So how do we get polaroid section unlocks? I was under the impression that I just had to get mom-heart kills with any character but it doesn't seem to be the case?

Beat Issac, not heart.

tamriilin
Dec 29, 2008

House was on this page when he got that annoying "I'm such a genius" look.
I was doing The Tank challenge and picked up Lucky Rock and Magic Fingers. Every rock I stepped on dropped a coin, which I could use to hurt enemies.



Then I did Slow Roll and picked up Chocolate Milk (after boss rush, unfortunately)



I love this game.

Pythagoras a trois
Feb 19, 2004

I have a lot of points to make and I will make them later.
Quick questions: How do I get to the boss rush? I'm pretty well trapped after fighting Mom.

Saigyouji
Aug 26, 2011

Friends 'ave fun together.

Cheekio posted:

Quick questions: How do I get to the boss rush? I'm pretty well trapped after fighting Mom.

Beat her in 20 minutes or less.

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.

Tracula posted:

I've had the same issue, minus the hangover part today. I can get demon begger and more spirit hearts than I know what to do with on any other character but goddamn it blue baby just keeps loving me over every time :argh:

I'm convinced there's something behind the scenes making the runs harder. I just never get any damage up boosts or any worthwhile items.

Or maybe I'm just unlucky. All I know is I'm starting work on tomorrows hangover now to cope.

Pythagoras a trois
Feb 19, 2004

I have a lot of points to make and I will make them later.

Saigyouji posted:

Beat her in 20 minutes or less.

That would explain the clock that always outpaces me.

Any hints on how to find the super secret room?

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

Cheekio posted:

That would explain the clock that always outpaces me.

Any hints on how to find the super secret room?

It's a room that would not border any room but except for the one you're bombing into it from.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
It's also very commonly found near the boss room.

Tracula
Mar 26, 2010

PLEASE LEAVE
Are there any different unlocks for hard mode clears?

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Tracula posted:

Are there any different unlocks for hard mode clears?

Yeah a bunch, but they seem to be almost exclusively co-op babies.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
Does anyone have that list of requirements for the regular secret room? I know things have changed since the original.

Tracula
Mar 26, 2010

PLEASE LEAVE

flatluigi posted:

Does anyone have that list of requirements for the regular secret room? I know things have changed since the original.

I've noticed that you need to be able to enter it from any side without needing to destroy additional terrain or fly. That's probably the biggest way to figure out where one isn't I found.

Gortarius
Jun 6, 2013

idiot
Played this a bunch but idk, I can't really get into it at all.

The controls feel really floaty and there really isn't much to it when it comes to gameplay from what I've seen. Guess this one wasn't for me.

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

Curse of the unknown, curse of the lost and amnesia pills are the worst :negative:

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

War is a pretty bad timewaster, considering that his other attack has him completely leave the arena. The Mask has never seemed that bad to me though - the actual mask part doesn't have that much health and you can hit it from the side.

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shodanjr_gr
Nov 20, 2007

SystemLogoff posted:

Beat Issac, not heart.

The weird thing is that I already got the first section even though I've never seen isaac. e: I did beat Satan once though when I earned a devil room at the end of the preceding boss fight.

In other news, I just had my most broken run just now (including anything i've come across in roughly 100 hours of vanilla). Some highlights:


Started as Kane, got pentagram, halo, sacred heart (from random Joker card even though I had already gotten a devil deal), cricket's head, champion belt, blood of the martyr, jesus juice.

On top of that, got Guppy, three blood bags and another 3 HP ups.

Got bouncing tears. Got flaming tears.

Yet somehow I walked into the heart fight and got insta-gibbed from 6 heart containers? O_o

shodanjr_gr fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Nov 9, 2014

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