Eruonen posted:

I straight up can't purchase a subscription via Paypal and it's not accepting my (valid) crreditcard. I get "We are unable to complete your purchase."

Apparently I'm not the first one. Does anyone know a solution?

Turtle Dad 420 posted:

I had the same problem for a while as well. If you haven't opened up a ticket yet, do so. But in the meantime if you set up an account at Rixty and charge your credit card for internet dollars you can pay using that method.

Umbreon posted:

Reporting my personal experience with the above mentioned east guilds:

AussieAge: after i went unpirate, i joined up with them. They seem very condensed in terms of how pubbielike they are, they can go from joking around in gchat to at each others throats because they literally keep killing each other in hasla.

They also did not like the fact that me and a friend stole a fishing boat from BWTC. BWTC went crying to a guild officer after me and a (unguilded and fresh 50) buddy managed to kill the crew of a BWTC fishing boat and steal it. Said officer whispered me sometime later wondering wtf i was thinking, and after he started explaining things about "FISHING PACTS" and "respect fishing", I saw the life of this thread flashing before my eyes and gquit. (I did say to tell BWTC that i was kicked for my heinous crimes)

Tl; dr: dont join aussieage if you plan on not respecting fishing.



Traphouse: I saw a group of 6 traphouse dudes farming in hasla, so i tried to chat them up and see if they were recruiting. No responses from any of them. I figured they must be on mental autopilot from hasla grinding, so I ran into them middle of them, and spoke to the closest member by name and asked again. And was promptly ignored again.

I was later doing some arena matches and one of them (Pope, iirc) was on my team. I chatted him up and we were talking for a bit after the match. The moment I asked if traphouse had any recruiting policies, he promptly stopped responding to me and hasnt answered a whisper ever since.

Tl; dr: Im guessing they all intentionally ignored me for a reason unknown to me. Maybe theyll care about you enough to respond to you if youre geared or something?

BWTC: The crew we killed started making death threats to me and my friend when they spotted us on the villanelle docks after we ran off from the fishing boat. Forestcrow dudes, BWTC and like 2 other guilds all showed up in clippers and a loving galleon to swarm us (yes, all that for 2 ungeared scrubs on a clipper) after we killed another one of the people who were angrily chasing us into ynystere. i desummoned my boat as a harpoon was midair to catch us, and we made it on to land and sped away.

Tl; dr: do not join BWTC unless you dont mind FISHING PACTS and "please respect fishing". Also make sure you dont mind your guildmates being so mad about fishing that they will literally call in 4 guilds, a fleet of clippers and a galleon to try and kill 2 ungeared 50s on a clipper. (And still gently caress it up and let them escape)

Kimsemus posted:

Yet more goons being oppressed by fishing nazis.

When will this madness end?

gwrtheyrn posted:

There will never be merchant ship agreements on the scale that there is fishing because frame rates aside, you don't make less money when more people are fishing, but you make less money if there are more people running the same packs are you.

Also fishing only scales to the point where you stop getting reasonable fps

kznlol posted:

When fishing stops being the most profitable use of labor in the game with the exception of activities gated by enormous gilda requirements and carrying enormous risk.

[edit] also the most scalable

Or, alternatively, when prices inflate to the point that using labor on fishing is no longer attractive (at which point there will be merchant ship pacts, I guarantee).

30.5 Days posted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

gwrtheyrn posted:

Inflation won't help you if everyone is running charcoal packs or whatever--you'll have almost half payout and the market will be oversupplied with whatever you're selling if everyone is just spam running merchant ships

Dahn posted:

Damm you and your common sense and logic. I want to stew in my anger at fish and fishermen. I want to be bitter about anything that involves fish. I want to stop eating all fish except for the Filet-O-Fish (I don't think that's real fish).

I don't want to have anything to do with fish. I gave up my seat on the bus to a fat lady because I didn't want to be selfish. She looked at me and said "Thank you young man, that is the most unselfish thing I have seen today".

Does that even count? I do something generous to avoid fish and I am unfish. Dammm you fishermen, you have made it to where I am fish no mater what I do. I hate you all.

And your boats are an ugly shade of green! Worst green ever. If I see that green on a building I turn around and go the other way. Fish Green, worst green.

I tried to vote last week till my friend asked me if I wanted a ride to the pole. The fisherman conspiracy continues, not only have they taken away my fun, but now they are trying to suppress my vote. Next they will require a fishing license to be able to vote.

FIIIIISHHH!!!

Eonwe posted:

well, if you don't respect fishing in this game you are a terrible person

also I wonder if the people in goon squad that got super angry about fishing are looking back and thinking how dumb that was yet

gwrtheyrn posted:

Inflation won't help you if everyone is running charcoal packs or whatever--you'll have almost half payout and the market will be oversupplied with whatever you're selling if everyone is just spam running merchant ships

30.5 Days posted:

My point was is that fishing doesn't scale very well because if every major guild is pulling in a ton of fish the actual net wealth effect on your guild is very low, assuming that people who fish are going to do anything except line their pockets. For there to be an increase in wealth in this game there have to be:

1) People getting money
2) Other people not getting money

This is why fishing pacts are really dumb, because they only work if a small percentage of each guild is actually fishing and then keeping all the money for themselves. In other words, enriching other guilds at a cost to your guildies. In this post-rumbling tree world fishing is extra-super dumb because literally everyone can fish if they want to. Taking fish from others is still the best activity because you're not only getting money for yourselves but you're also preventing money from going to other people. Also it's not loving boring.

30.5 Days posted:

My point was is that fishing doesn't scale very well because if every major guild is pulling in a ton of fish the actual net wealth effect on your guild is very low, assuming that people who fish are going to do anything except line their pockets. For there to be an increase in wealth in this game there have to be:

1) People getting money
2) Other people not getting money

This is why fishing pacts are really dumb, because they only work if a small percentage of each guild is actually fishing and then keeping all the money for themselves. In other words, enriching other guilds at a cost to your guildies. In this post-rumbling tree world fishing is extra-super dumb because literally everyone can fish if they want to. Taking fish from others is still the best activity because you're not only getting money for yourselves but you're also preventing money from going to other people. Also it's not loving boring.

gwrtheyrn posted:

Sure, I'm not arguing that fishing doesn't cause inflation, but I was just pointing out that "merchant ship pacts" would be even dumber because you'd get hosed by trade pack percentages and oversupply of stabilizers (when applicable). At least with fishing, you know a marlin is going to be 8-10g. With an international pack, you're looking at 5-13 charcoal at whatever the market price is. Maybe you get hosed, maybe you don't

Unguided posted:

The only way to keep other merchant guilds from driving your trade prices down is to monopolize all the land in a single zone and put down a fellowship plaza. You'll be crafting packs they can't while they're dealing with diminishing returns.

Cyberventurer posted:

30.5 Days posted:

My point was is that fishing doesn't scale very well because if every major guild is pulling in a ton of fish the actual net wealth effect on your guild is very low, assuming that people who fish are going to do anything except line their pockets. For there to be an increase in wealth in this game there have to be:

1) People getting money
2) Other people not getting money

This is why fishing pacts are really dumb, because they only work if a small percentage of each guild is actually fishing and then keeping all the money for themselves. In other words, enriching other guilds at a cost to your guildies. In this post-rumbling tree world fishing is extra-super dumb because literally everyone can fish if they want to. Taking fish from others is still the best activity because you're not only getting money for yourselves but you're also preventing money from going to other people. Also it's not loving boring.

kznlol posted:

You can dodge the requirement to input your own labor by stealing poo poo from other players and using their labor, but that's so time-inefficient that unless you get tons of enjoyment from it (which, sure, I can believe) it's not worth doing.

Cyberventurer posted:

Malakesh was fidgeting, unsure of how the negotiations were about to pan out. "This isn't right," he told himself. He was a goon of the sea; the crisp, salty breeze. The blue waves undulating over the horizon. The boats of pubbies perpendicular with the surface of the water, making full revolutions at 3 times a second. That was his home.

He was a fisherman.

Not a diplomat. Not someone who parlayed with opponents on land. Sure, the 16x16 beachfront villa he was using as a base of operations was furnished well, and any bot worth its salt would drool at the chance to snatch up this amazing piece of real estate, but it didn't make him feel comfortable. Malakesh turned back toward the mirror to groom his hair and adjust the position of his admiral's hat. He wasn't really an admiral, of course, but Kimsemus wouldn't know that. All he had to do was negotiate a ceasefire. His superiors allowed him a token amount of the stolen supplies to be used as a bargaining chip, but what if it wasn't enough? What if Kimsemus demanded more, and he couldn't deliver? Maybe he was just being used as bait to lure Kimsemus out? He cursed the higher-ups for not telling him anything. Whenever he tried to press for more information, all he was told was "OPSEC". Every question, nothing but "OPSEC". Even asking for the definition of OPSEC got him nothing but "OPSEC" in reply. He was still busy trying to figure out what the acronym stood for when the door behind him swung open. Malakesh gulped hard and spun around; he was here. He looked much more...dashing than Malakesh expected.

Kimsemus, scourge of the seas, had entered the house. He turned, just for a moment, to spit out the tobacco in his mouth out into the grass before resuming his course into the main room. Toward Malakesh. And he could see it in Kimsemus's eyes; it wasn't stone he was after. Kimsemus looks him up and down, then grins.

"Yer level 16, aren't ya? I can smell it on ya," Kimsemus grumbled. Malakesh was taken by surprise by the comment. Did he really look the part? True, it was the hottest level, but did he detect a bit of interest in Kimsemus's voice? Wait, why was he thinking about that? He had to focus on the deal. On the stone. Stones. Kimsemus certainly had some big ones to come unarmed...Malakesh shook his head and looked back up to meet him in the eye.

"The council has heard your demands for the stone and is willing to negotiate-" but Malakesh couldn't continue. Kimsemus continued to stride through the room, toward Malakesh.

"I ain't no landlubber. It's not about the stone. But perhaps," Kimsemus purred, "ye could offer me something more."

So it's true. Malakesh blushed. Kimsemus was a goonfucker, just like him. And now that they were together...Malakesh spoke: "This is quite unprofessional. I'm flattered by your advances, but this-"

"Shhh," Kimsemus interrupted, leaning in close. Malakesh's back was against the wall now. Kimsemus gingerly took off Malakesh's admiral hat with one hand while he reached for the kraken tentacle mounted by the fireplace. "Nobody needs to know. It's not like this is happening on an American server."

Malakesh couldn't say no to that. And truth be told, he always wanted to be taken on a ride by Kimsemus's big red boat. They leaned closer, and let their feelings lead them from there.

30.5 Days posted:

Pirating fish is absolutely more time-efficient than actually fishing, because we can find and steal a boat full of fish with 5 people much faster than 5 people can find a good spot and fill a boat full of fish. Factor in chum & lures and it's not even close.

Cyberventurer posted:

Malakesh was fidgeting, unsure of how the negotiations were about to pan out. "This isn't right," he told himself. He was a goon of the sea; the crisp, salty breeze. The blue waves undulating over the horizon. The boats of pubbies perpendicular with the surface of the water, making full revolutions at 3 times a second. That was his home.

He was a fisherman.

Not a diplomat. Not someone who parlayed with opponents on land. Sure, the 16x16 beachfront villa he was using as a base of operations was furnished well, and any bot worth its salt would drool at the chance to snatch up this amazing piece of real estate, but it didn't make him feel comfortable. Malakesh turned back toward the mirror to groom his hair and adjust the position of his admiral's hat. He wasn't really an admiral, of course, but Kimsemus wouldn't know that. All he had to do was negotiate a ceasefire. His superiors allowed him a token amount of the stolen supplies to be used as a bargaining chip, but what if it wasn't enough? What if Kimsemus demanded more, and he couldn't deliver? Maybe he was just being used as bait to lure Kimsemus out? He cursed the higher-ups for not telling him anything. Whenever he tried to press for more information, all he was told was "OPSEC". Every question, nothing but "OPSEC". Even asking for the definition of OPSEC got him nothing but "OPSEC" in reply. He was still busy trying to figure out what the acronym stood for when the door behind him swung open. Malakesh gulped hard and spun around; he was here. He looked much more...dashing than Malakesh expected.

Kimsemus, scourge of the seas, had entered the house. He turned, just for a moment, to spit out the tobacco in his mouth out into the grass before resuming his course into the main room. Toward Malakesh. And he could see it in Kimsemus's eyes; it wasn't stone he was after. Kimsemus looks him up and down, then grins.

"Yer level 16, aren't ya? I can smell it on ya," Kimsemus grumbled. Malakesh was taken by surprise by the comment. Did he really look the part? True, it was the hottest level, but did he detect a bit of interest in Kimsemus's voice? Wait, why was he thinking about that? He had to focus on the deal. On the stone. Stones. Kimsemus certainly had some big ones to come unarmed...Malakesh shook his head and looked back up to meet him in the eye.

"The council has heard your demands for the stone and is willing to negotiate-" but Malakesh couldn't continue. Kimsemus continued to stride through the room, toward Malakesh.

"I ain't no landlubber. It's not about the stone. But perhaps," Kimsemus purred, "ye could offer me something more."

So it's true. Malakesh blushed. Kimsemus was a goonfucker, just like him. And now that they were together...Malakesh spoke: "This is quite unprofessional. I'm flattered by your advances, but this-"

"Shhh," Kimsemus interrupted, leaning in close. Malakesh's back was against the wall now. Kimsemus gingerly took off Malakesh's admiral hat with one hand while he reached for the kraken tentacle mounted by the fireplace. "Nobody needs to know. It's not like this is happening on an American server."

Malakesh couldn't say no to that. And truth be told, he always wanted to be taken on a ride by Kimsemus's big red boat. They leaned closer, and let their feelings lead them from there.

kznlol posted:

kznlol posted:

I don't believe you.

For the purposes of a simple argument: there are 3 stages to fishing, and 3 stages to pirating fish. Stage 1 is finding fish or finding fishing boats - I would be very surprised if finding boats was faster than finding fish, or even as fast, but lets assume they take the same amount of time. Stage 2 is fishing or stealing the boat. If you're putting 5 people on the fishing boat, they can fill the boat in 6-7 minutes at the outside (unless you count waiting for gargantuans which is retarded). I'm going to assume stealing a boat is instantaneous even though that's ridiculous. Stage 3 is getting back to a fish stand and turning in. Fishers, for obvious reasons, pick spots that are near a turnin. Pirates don't have that luxury. You have to somehow get back to Freedich and turn in within 6 minutes of the time it would take a normal fisher to turn in to the closest spot they can find. I'm fairly sure that is pretty much impossible.

Staging makes this a bit more complicated but is simply going to subtract time from whatever gets added when I add in the fact you have to base out of Freedich.

Meanwhile, if you go stealing fish as a non-pirate, you're eventually going to eat jailtime.

Yet another issue is that you definitely cannot steal fish as fast with 1 person pirating as with 5 - but you can fish precisely as fast with 1 as with 5.

Eminai posted:

Honestly, even if it takes them twice as long to pirate as it takes you to fish it up, that's still probably really good. That's also a couple of orders of magnitude better than what the Goon Squad pirating crew could manage.

Edit: This does, however sidestep a big issue, which is that pirating is never as sustainable as fishing for a sufficiently large group, because if you steal all of their fish, the fishermen won't keep fishing, then nobody makes any money, which was the entire reason for the ~evil fishing pact~ in the first place.

kznlol posted:

I don't believe you.

For the purposes of a simple argument: there are 3 stages to fishing, and 3 stages to pirating fish. Stage 1 is finding fish or finding fishing boats - I would be very surprised if finding boats was faster than finding fish, or even as fast, but lets assume they take the same amount of time. Stage 2 is fishing or stealing the boat. If you're putting 5 people on the fishing boat, they can fill the boat in 6-7 minutes at the outside (unless you count waiting for gargantuans which is retarded). I'm going to assume stealing a boat is instantaneous even though that's ridiculous. Stage 3 is getting back to a fish stand and turning in. Fishers, for obvious reasons, pick spots that are near a turnin. Pirates don't have that luxury. You have to somehow get back to Freedich and turn in within 6 minutes of the time it would take a normal fisher to turn in to the closest spot they can find. I'm fairly sure that is pretty much impossible.

Staging makes this a bit more complicated but is simply going to subtract time from whatever gets added when I add in the fact you have to base out of Freedich.

Meanwhile, if you go stealing fish as a non-pirate, you're eventually going to eat jailtime.

Yet another issue is that you definitely cannot steal fish as fast with 1 person pirating as with 5 - but you can fish precisely as fast with 1 as with 5.

Eminai posted:

Honestly, even if it takes them twice as long to pirate as it takes you to fish it up, that's still probably really good. That's also a couple of orders of magnitude better than what the Goon Squad pirating crew could manage.

Edit: This does, however sidestep a big issue, which is that pirating is never as sustainable as fishing for a sufficiently large group, because if you steal all of their fish, the fishermen won't keep fishing, then nobody makes any money, which was the entire reason for the ~evil fishing pact~ in the first place.

apseudonym posted:

Let me tell you how I pirated fishers before I stopped playing because lol you are wrong.
1) my friends go fishing and tell me where boats are
2)swim out and murder
3)my friends take the fish and turn them them in for me.

I just stayed in the water murdering carebears until I got bored and made bank in both money and tears.

Customer support does the same thing. You need to launder your fish because fish are serious business.

kznlol posted:

Yes because that would continue working if you did it every day for weeks on end.

wait

Eonwe posted:

Who cares if people fish in a video game

apseudonym posted:

Let me tell you how I pirated fishers before I stopped playing because lol you are wrong.
1) my friends go fishing and tell me where boats are
2)swim out and murder
3)my friends take the fish and turn them them in for me.

I just stayed in the water murdering carebears until I got bored and made bank in both money and tears.

Customer support does the same thing. You need to launder your fish because fish are serious business.