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JcDent posted:Yes! Yuan Yuan seem to be in Merc lists yet not so apparently useful as Kaplan, so I wonder what's their deal. I like when units can go JcDent posted:So, one of the points I was driving (but not clearly, as it often happens, sorry) was: are starter packs playable? At first I thought about getting us both 300pts armies, then I took a reality check on my finances and painting skills. Also, both PanO and Yu Jing do the basic assault thing very well if your gf preferred the looks of one of those. e: One thing I forgot to mention is make sure you have enough things to use as terrain. Bear Throne fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Nov 10, 2014 |
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Signal posted:We run all painted here in my meta. I really like those clear bases. Where did you get those? Are your minis pinned or just glued on?
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People complaining about the Yu Jing Close Combat tax haven't experienced the sheer joy of Shinobu slicing a Marut in half. It's such a beautiful sight, though less viable next edition. e: Seriously though. It's a faction of robot exploding geisha, monks flipping across the battlefield, high school dropouts on motorbikes with assault pistols, blackbagged political dissidents with c4 instead of organs, SUN loving TZE, glorious space katanas, cheap dudes with E/M Grenades, and a penal legion of dudes whose name have been taken from them. Yu Jing is the raddest faction. Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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WAR FOOT posted:People complaining about the Yu Jing Close Combat tax haven't experienced the sheer joy of Shinobu slicing a Marut in half. It's such a beautiful sight, though less viable next edition. False. The Marut did not use sufficient d charges. If they won't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of them. MECHA SHIVA MECHA SHIVA
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For terrain, I'll likely find who supplies card stock in my area (right after I find out what's card stock in Lithuanian). Meanwhile, I'm doodling with foamcore and stuff. I read the OP, no two terrain pieces 8" apart, that's fine by me. One of the things I hate about Flames of War FB group is that they post pictures with terrain so incredibly sparse, it breaks any and all immersion. Me, I'd like to make my own run down sci-fi ghetto, all rust and neon pain. That's implying that I'll have time, money and talent! As for starters... I like modeling them on Infinity Army to check the point costs. Order Knights starter is about 149, Neoterran 230. I don't think NTCA is that newbie friendly, since you would want to start at 150, right? And, like I said, we're buying starters for starters  And, the black cornrows Algo is the best Algo, and probably my favorite resculpt. I wonder how the new Algo hacker looks like. And here I thought (based on Infinity Army) that sectorials don't get that many in the way of mercs while non sectorials can run wild! I really like look of Kaplans and Sforza, and Anaconda, too! ED: QK starter seems a nice list, most Arm 2 and full of special abilities, even if low on specialist and possessing the God-awful Odalisques mini. Couldn't even make a legal starter out of HB, while the regular Haq starter seem fun, even if devoid of any special powers, and I made the Janissary a Leutenant (it's a no-no, right?) By the way, do minis ship with options, or is it "the starter says missile launcher, and you're getting one"? I mean, I know proxying is the name of the game, but still, I'd rather not pretend a rocket launcher is a combi rifle. JcDent fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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If you get the NCA starter just leave out the Swiss Guard and it's close to 150.
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S.W.O.R.D. Agent posted:I really like those clear bases. Where did you get those? Are your minis pinned or just glued on? Thanks, those are from Litko. Most of them are just glued one, which works well enough, but some of the more outrageous models like the Ragiks required pinning.
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 Got the white done for a Domaru. I thought it came out reasonably OK. Cyclomatic fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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JcDent posted:By the way, do minis ship with options, or is it "the starter says missile launcher, and you're getting one"? I mean, I know proxying is the name of the game, but still, I'd rather not pretend a rocket launcher is a combi rifle.
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The only sets I've seen with options are the Myrmidon Officer and the Kuang Shi. I was genuinely elated when I found out I didn't have to make a Boarding Shotgun Kuang Shi.
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WAR FOOT posted:The only sets I've seen with options are the Myrmidon Officer and the Kuang Shi. ), Van Zant (4 aesthetic options?), Posthuman (hacker/doctor), Suryat (multi/pistol), and the basic 4-model remotes.The Kuang Shi is doubly useful because of all the BS options in Yu Jing, like HI or Aragotos. ...and that reminds me: anyone know good pairs of arm swaps, i.e. parts that go well on other models and do not require anything more than possibly filing the joint nubs? I know about Daofei HMG/Wu Ming BS and Miranda/new BS Odalisque. Pierzak fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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Pierzak posted:They don't. if it says 3x combi rifle it's 3x combi rifle, no heavy weapon arms or other optional attachments. Welp, I thought I heard something about that on /tg/. Thank you, goons! I think that's enough food for thought for a month or three.
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/tg/ tends to be really bad at Infinity. I think there's a lot of theorycraft there, which is valuable to a point, but very little actual game experience.
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Does make sense, when you think about it. Rarely did they speak about actual examples. And no painted miniatures! And, of course, 4chan will be 4chan, so trolls would wander in and start poo poo. /Historical Wargame General/ was basically my favorite: stunning pictures of wargames, not much shitposting, a lot of interesting material. But that's because they play small/obscure games that people from the Infinity/WMH/Warhams triangle have never heard off, nor do they threaten 28mm.
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JcDent posted:the Infinity/WMH/Warhams triangle And every time I think the /tg/ thread can't dig deeper, they continue to prove me wrong 
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Actually, I have an irrational hate of WMH which I can't explain (except for the color coded country magic), since I have no experience with it, besides reading about the gameplay and fluff. Maybe I should read a goon introduction, now that I ventured outside LP zone. Warhams placing was incidental, I wanted to play it ever since I find out that table top is a thing (My 40K romance goes "Space Marine" the book -> holy poo poo, there's more to it than 1 book?! DoW1 -> actual toy soldiers?!), but AM codex and 7th Ed hit about the time when I was painting Prince August proxies (I'll post some of my stuff in the Unspiration thread), and then I got too infuriated to play it. I'm still trying to play it on fan made Kill Team rules, which more similar to Necromunda/Mordheim. About the same time, I got into reading Infinity rules and I really liked them - probably the first time I got interested in game because of the rules, not the fluff. Now I think it's the bee's knees and just waiting for N3 to see if it's still cool, just in case. I think I kind of like skirmish more; there's more worth to your soldier's lives, and heroes look more heroic, unlike in say, 40K Apocalypse where your Chapter Master Manus Ironblood gets Stregth D'd to death. TL;DR  Pierzak posted:And every time I think the /tg/ thread can't dig deeper, they continue to prove me wrong Did I mention the anger about Ko Dali? I know I did, I'm just cheeky EDIT: I think most guns, especially on older sculpts, are quite horrible here. Then again, hunting for proxies and stuff has taught me that making a cool future gun is really really hard.
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JcDent posted:Did I mention the anger about Ko Dali? the old one makes a great second combi Tiger or AD Guifeng.
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Somebody was really really pissed that she got removed from YJ roster and that it's unfair that the other teams didn't get sepsitorized characters. I think there was also a guy who came to thread saying he's currently looking to get into the game, but this kind of "squatting" is unacceptable! Recently, there are more talks in the vein of "which faction is the best to live in" and "which one is the most evil", but they're not as frequent as what you refer to as theory crafting... and YJ tears.
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Flipswitch posted:The YJ sub forum is one of the funniest places on the Infinity forums, I've banned myself from venturing into there to often because it's hard to just not troll them. They're some of the whiniest subforums I've ever seen. That's because Guges keeps skewing the results.
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A guy who keeps whining about everything new, any changes, because apparently they're OP, nerfed to hell and useless, boil the fun out of the game and make it a shadow of its former self. He's so negative that he's been banned from his IRL Infinity group and put on ignore by like 80% of the official forums, I don't know how he hasn't been banned yet since he's outright said that he'd lost hope for positive changes and is just trolling CB. He's a valuable resource because he 1. concentrates ~40% of bad posting in one easily-ignored account (another ~40% being Kanluwen, for slightly different reasons), and 2. serves as a bad example of the "that's what you'll become if you start shitposting" kind. also, let me tell you how HMGS ARE NOW USELESS TAGS ARE USELESS N3 WAS AN INSIDE JOB 
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He's an incredibly boring whiny poster who has relentlessly spent the past (almost?) year just making threads complaining about anything he can in the game. I'm amazed that my bud Konstantinos hasn't lost his mind warning/moderating his posts to be honest.Pierzak posted:That's because Guges keeps skewing the results. Pierzak posted:A guy who keeps whining about everything new, any changes, because apparently they're OP, nerfed to hell and useless, boil the fun out of the game and make it a shadow of its former self. He's so negative that he's been banned from his IRL Infinity group and put on ignore by like 80% of the official forums, I don't know how he hasn't been banned yet since he's outright said that he'd lost hope for positive changes and is just trolling CB. I have literally zero idea where Kanluwen came from though, but I have had long streaks of months where I've not read the forums but only responded to pms.
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JcDent posted:Actually, I have an irrational hate of WMH which I can't explain (except for the color coded country magic), since I have no experience with it, besides reading about the gameplay and fluff. Maybe I should read a goon introduction, now that I ventured outside LP zone. Well we like you anyways 
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Flipswitch posted:I have literally zero idea where Kanluwen came from though Dakka. He had the same schtick there.
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Fix posted:Dakka.
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Yeah Kanluwen is basically made fun of for being a grumpy cantankerous whingebag on Dakka, who is outright mocked if not ignored completely over there. And for good reason, he's like the most argumentative in the "I know I'm right because you're a piece of poo poo" style possible, which doesn't win people over to his side, even when he's right (which is rare). His latest tirade is about the scale creep in Infinity miniatures, and whether it's going up or down. Yeah, minutiae to make a molehill out of.
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The Dark Project posted:His latest tirade is about the scale creep in Infinity miniatures, and whether it's going up or down. Yeah, minutiae to make a molehill out of.
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Signal posted:Thanks, those are from Litko. Most of them are just glued one, which works well enough, but some of the more outrageous models like the Ragiks required pinning. Thanks for the info! As to the more recent discussion, gently caress Guges and Kanluwen. Both of those dudes lead lives I wont possibly ever understand.
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Guges made a post saying something (in the ruleset that isn't even out yet) was nerfed or OP or whatever and then proceeded to back it up by saying that probability is additive (if you have two 30% chances at something, it is 60% to get it). So yea. On the other hand, it is the official forms for something on the internet so they've got some unrepentant fanboys who will act like you are actively engaged in genocide if you said something like: I think the studio Aleph models are technically well painted but the colors just don't do it for me personally. So how much of the Guges thing is him being an idiot, and how much of that is his original opinions being blown out of proportions and the entire thing descending into a internet tribal blood feud.
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JoshTheStampede posted:If /tg/ cries about Ko Dali getting squatted then I bet they love the Exrah going away. Surprisingly enough, they don't seem to mind it as much. I mean, there's talk about it, but Ko Dali was something that hit a weakspot in some people. The most lamentable thing is the loss of Cascuda (excuse me if I'm spelling that wrong). Sometimes, I think I miss a lot by not geoing to forums and seeing special meltdown personalities. Then again, probably not.
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No, Guges is a particular kind of special: I didn't know about him before the unveiling of the new HMG range bands, but after those were previewed he somehow managed to make the exact same post in slightly different words in every single loving thread on the official forums. Seriously. Often even threads with absolutely nothing to do with game balance, game rules, N3, HMGs, or even TAGs. I recall him managing this even in a painting thread. When he gets obsessed, he gets obsessed. In other news, I wound up not playing my Teuton list last night because one of our Infinity players offered to give me a demo of Firestorm Armada. I liked it; it's relaxing compared to how unrelentingly intense Infinity tends to be. Pity there's no thread that I can find for it though. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Nov 12, 2014 |
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Firestorm was interesting, but the luster wore off pretty quickly for me. It seemed like the man behind the curtain in that game was that you were really just rolling dice to see if you got exploding dice/crits. So I felt like I was sitting there with the game refusing to advance because all the shots were bouncing off a target until someone rolled a "natural 20" type roll and then stuff happened. I didn't play enough of it to say for sure if that is a fair or mathematically accurate assessment, and even if it is, some people really like that "natural 20" experience so the game refusing to budge until someone rolls "epic" dice isn't bad. Personally, I like the Infinity style crits/monster rolls more, where the game will advance without crits or monster rolls, but crits and monster rolls are an X factor that keep you from feeling too sure about what is going to happen, but there isn't quite the same amount of swing like you've got in WM/H where the damage cap on a single attack is pretty absurd.
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I bought into firestorm too, with at that point having Infinity being the only other system i've played. There were things I liked about it, but games take so long. Maybe thats just compared to infinity, but I've been sticking to skirmish level stuff since. Ships are easy to stick together at least. Which is more than I can say for Malifaux...
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Corbeau posted:In other news, I wound up not playing my Teuton list last night because one of our Infinity players offered to give me a demo of Firestorm Armada. I liked it; it's relaxing compared to how unrelentingly intense Infinity tends to be. Pity there's no thread that I can find for it though. According to the folks at my FLGS who played Firestorm, the game consisted entirely of "Roll more dice than the other dude" with no real choices or tactics. That was first edition though, maybe it's improved? I do really like the ships.
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Window shopping Aleph. This is what I'm thinking, but I can't seem to figure out how to fit a hacker in there.  ASSAULT SUBSECTION────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1   10  0  0 ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2 | 80) MACHAON Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 39) MYRMIDON Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 32)MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (16)MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (16) THRASYMEDES (Fireteam: Enomotarchos) Submachine gun, Light Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 29) THORAKITES (Forward Observer) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (16)THORAKITES (Forward Observer) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (16)THORAKITES Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (20) AGÊMA Marksman MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 36)5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open with Army 4
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Aix Athanatos posted:According to the folks at my FLGS who played Firestorm, the game consisted entirely of "Roll more dice than the other dude" with no real choices or tactics. That was first edition though, maybe it's improved? I do really like the ships. Yup, I actually list 'rolling fistfuls of dice' as one of my reasons for liking this game. Though there are definitely tactics involved in 2nd ed.
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