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Lester Shy
May 1, 2002

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!
Is the Judas unlock still bugged? I have basement boy, and I'm 99% sure I've completed the basement/cellars multiple times without taking damage, but he's still locked for me. I got Azazel today, so I know they're not completely broken.

Edit: I'm dumb. Samson, not Judas.

Lester Shy fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Nov 12, 2014

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juggalo baby coffin
Dec 2, 2007

How would the dog wear goggles and even more than that, who makes the goggles?


I wish guppy was an unlockable character

Power of Pecota
Aug 4, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Lester Shy posted:

Is the Judas unlock still bugged? I have basement boy, and I'm 99% sure I've completed the basement/cellars multiple times without taking damage, but he's still locked for me. I got Azazel today, so I know they're not completely broken.

You unlock Judas by killing Satan/completing Sheol, not that stuff.

Nep-Nep
May 15, 2004

Just one more thing!

Sebbe posted:

Welp, that wasn't a long wait.

Unfortunately, I have to keep waiting since I'm playing the Vita version, good that the patch is live for most though!

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Alkydere posted:

The game is honestly really good about that and should award you the Mom's Heart kill.

Yeah, if you die to the final splash attack of Mom's Heart/It Lives, it'll award you the kill on everything except your win streak. You have to physically touch the endgame chest for your win streak to go up.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Hah, this has been the run of cheesing Satan deals. Why yes, I'll take that evil cloak that gives me 3 sin hearts when I'm down to half a soul heart as ???. Why yes I'll gladly take that dead cat off of you for 3 hearts, this time I have a full, singular heart to trade. Oh I didn't even die taking the cat? Then I'll gladly grab these two sin hearts you also provided me.

Sanctum
Feb 14, 2005

Property was their religion
A church for one
This room is straight up bullshit.



1 heart of damage and no way to avoid it without flight.

Nastyman
Jul 11, 2007

There they sit
at the foot of the mountain
Taking hits
of the sacred smoke
Fire rips at their lungs
Holy mountain take us away

Sanctum posted:

This room is straight up bullshit.



1 heart of damage and no way to avoid it without flight.

Callus, How To Jump, The Ladder, Teleport, any kind of invulnerability, get lucky and find a treasure room next to it. It's a roguelike, sometimes you just get hosed.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!
Hooray unbroken achievements :toot:



:waycool:

Now comes the part where I look through my list of items on the stats screen and try to find which ones I need to pick up still before spending an unknown amount of time hunting for them in order to get those last two. :suicide:

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Dead Boy is definitely broken, I just got it after using the "facetank everything then heal it with the kamikaze/pyromaniac combo" strategy throughout the Chest.

e: I guess maybe it somehow registered one of my old runs where I legit got it? Not sure.

Yodzilla
Apr 29, 2005

Now who looks even dumber?

Beef Witch
I like when you get a giant room full of rocks and some stupid fly just hovers in place right in the center out of reach and not attacking you.



Pretty cool.

Kawalimus
Jan 17, 2008

Better Living Through Birding And Pessimism

Alkydere posted:

The game is honestly really good about that and should award you the Mom's Heart kill.

I just checked and it did!!! Awesome. But I could have made it all the way on that :( goddamn bullet hell nonsense.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

IronicDongz posted:

Outrun?
move diagonally bro why would you outrun them

Obviously, but he spawns more than one of them :geno:

Trying to avoid all the leeches and dodge the stomps with 1 speed is really hard.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.
I have a really weird but annoying issue where certain attacks automatically launch downwards whenever I enter a boss room. I've noticed it happening with Brimstone and today I found Dr. Fetus on the first floor and every time I entered a boss room I would automatically launch a bomb downwards which almost got me killed. :argh:

Nep-Nep
May 15, 2004

Just one more thing!

Irony Be My Shield posted:

e: I guess maybe it somehow registered one of my old runs where I legit got it? Not sure.

That would be nice. If anyone can confirm that it would be interesting to know.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Kanfy posted:

I have a really weird but annoying issue where certain attacks automatically launch downwards whenever I enter a boss room. I've noticed it happening with Brimstone and today I found Dr. Fetus on the first floor and every time I entered a boss room I would automatically launch a bomb downwards which almost got me killed. :argh:
I had this as well - are you using a controller, and are you pressing A/X/whatever to skip the boss's title card? Doing so makes you fire downwards because the face buttons also make you fire. You can avoid it by just waiting out the title without skipping it.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Uh, anyone else having sound effects only come out through the right speaker after the update?

jsr v2.0
Jun 26, 2004
japanese seisure robots

Irony Be My Shield posted:

I had this as well - are you using a controller, and are you pressing A/X/whatever to skip the boss's title card? Doing so makes you fire downwards because the face buttons also make you fire. You can avoid it by just waiting out the title without skipping it.

I figured this out yesterday when I killed myself on the Epic Fetus challenge. Such bullshit!

PantsBandit
Oct 26, 2007

it is both a monkey and a boombox
is Isaac supposed to be the final, toughest boss? I got there with 3 pretty flies so I literally just stood in place and fired and nothing could damage me.

This one seems a lot easier than the original. It seems like every run I end up with some completely broken combination. Most recently I got mom's pills and the triple a battery. One of my pill drops could also be 48 hour energy so I was swimming in full health pills.

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

PantsBandit posted:

is Isaac supposed to be the final, toughest boss?

Not even close

PantsBandit
Oct 26, 2007

it is both a monkey and a boombox

Cool, I was worried that I had stumbled across the end on accident and it was extremely underwhelming. I could see how it would be difficult normally but like I said with my build it was completely trivial.

Pixeltendo
Mar 2, 2012


Color Printer posted:

So there's a little file in the directory called changelog.txt. Let's take a looksee...


Welp!

Thank god I did everything with the lost when I could then, not touching that dude ever again.

Dred Cosmonaut
Jan 6, 2010

There once was a tiger-striped cat.
You kids today dont know how good you have it. Back in my day, satan was the only last final bonus boss

AbbadonOfHell
Jul 16, 2004
You know I would try to think of something funny to put here but ill just pass on that and threaten people with a + 2 board with a nail in it.

VDay posted:

It's a fairly common biblical term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azazel

I'm familiar with that I'm talking more about how he looks though.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

PantsBandit posted:

Cool, I was worried that I had stumbled across the end on accident and it was extremely underwhelming. I could see how it would be difficult normally but like I said with my build it was completely trivial.

Isaac isn't the final boss but imo he is one of the toughest. Mainly due to his 2nd form where he flies around throwing angel babies and lasers at you.

jsr v2.0
Jun 26, 2004
japanese seisure robots
Isaac is easier than Mom/It's Alive. The bullet patterns are easy, the full screen lasers can be avoided by standing in the corner, and having 3 flies makes you immune to all of the bullets.

Rashomon
Jun 21, 2006

This machine kills fascists
What is Dead Boy? No-hit Sheol?

SuicideSnowman
Jul 26, 2003

PantsBandit posted:

is Isaac supposed to be the final, toughest boss? I got there with 3 pretty flies so I literally just stood in place and fired and nothing could damage me.

This one seems a lot easier than the original. It seems like every run I end up with some completely broken combination. Most recently I got mom's pills and the triple a battery. One of my pill drops could also be 48 hour energy so I was swimming in full health pills.

The original wasn't very hard. I mean if you look at the good players they were on 500 win streaks. This game seems easier in the beginning but starts to get a bit tougher once you unlock more items and have a bigger item pool to get bad items from. Also, I think the true challenge is hard mode and expect that most people that are playing the game for a challenge will play it that way.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!

Rashomon posted:

What is Dead Boy? No-hit Sheol?
The chest or dark room.

SuicideSnowman posted:

The original wasn't very hard. I mean if you look at the good players they were on 500 win streaks. This game seems easier in the beginning but starts to get a bit tougher once you unlock more items and have a bigger item pool to get bad items from. Also, I think the true challenge is hard mode and expect that most people that are playing the game for a challenge will play it that way.
The original also made it much easier to guarantee an OP run with Isaac because there were a lot of item combinations where you could get unlimited charges on the D6, so if you just spent 20-30 minutes putzing around a map and going back and forth between rooms you could keep rerolling stuff drat near endlessly and guarantee yourself at least 2-3 of the best powerups every run.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
I guess I never really played the original Binding of Isaac "for the challenge" so I think the difficulty of the new version is fine. I killed Mom for the first time ever today and it felt great, going to continue on from there and enjoy myself.

I basically just play the game for the gameplay itself, to see all the broken item combinations and experiment with different trinkets and other pick-ups. It's a really great dickaround game, challenge be damned.

SuicideSnowman
Jul 26, 2003

King Vidiot posted:

I guess I never really played the original Binding of Isaac "for the challenge" so I think the difficulty of the new version is fine. I killed Mom for the first time ever today and it felt great, going to continue on from there and enjoy myself.

I basically just play the game for the gameplay itself, to see all the broken item combinations and experiment with different trinkets and other pick-ups. It's a really great dickaround game, challenge be damned.

That's pretty much what I feel normal mode is for. People who don't want a game that's so difficult that only the most extreme players can play it.

I actually enjoy a challenging run so I'm one of those guys that won't restart games if my first item is lovely. My favorite runs are the ones where I start out with 4 or 5 floors of absolute poo poo and still find a way to win.

Floodkiller
May 31, 2011

Just a heads up: Dead Boy is still buggy in being awarded. See: Me taking poo poo tons of damage in The Chest, but still getting awarded Dead Boy because it was all soul/sin hearts.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Cain's also been nerfed in Rebirth. In the original he could amass dozens of soul hearts and positive stat pills if you were prepared to grind every casino.

Read
Dec 21, 2010

RatHat posted:

Isaac isn't the final boss but imo he is one of the toughest. Mainly due to his 2nd form where he flies around throwing angel babies and lasers at you.

Isaac is one of the easiest IMO, especially the 2nd form in which he's completely trivialized. You can generally 1-shot the angel babies by then and the holy light attack is a joke to dodge (stand in a corner / between the parallel lines of beams and on a wall).

Irony Be My Shield posted:

Cain's also been nerfed in Rebirth. In the original he could amass dozens of soul hearts and positive stat pills if you were prepared to grind every casino.

Definitely agree Cain has been nerfed substantially, but his gambling is still really excellent.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

Isaac is waaay easier than satan. I find him easier than any single stage of satan, even.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Yeah he's hardly bad, but it used to be that I'd just win half of my Cain runs by gathering an absurd number of soul hearts, which you can't do anymore. Unless you get a silly combo together you now at least have to avoid damage a little bit in the endgame.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

jsr v2.0 posted:

Isaac is easier than Mom/It's Alive. The bullet patterns are easy, the full screen lasers can be avoided by standing in the corner, and having 3 flies makes you immune to all of the bullets.
Isaac isn't that hard but Mom/It's Alive are easy as poo poo

The Moon Monster posted:

Isaac is waaay easier than satan. I find him easier than any single stage of satan, even.
How is isaac possibly easier than satan 1 aka literally just The Fallen. Or Satan 2 aka attacks almost entirely with bullets like isaac, but less of them.

satan 3 being harder than isaac I could see the argument for but it can also be sort of a pushover. It's kinda swingy, depends a lot on where the worms spawn.

LazyMaybe fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Nov 12, 2014

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012



Dead Boy is definitely bugged. I just beat the chest for a second time and took about 8 full hearts of damage during it. Still got it. I guess I'm just that good.

I'm glad that Isaac is easier than Satan now. In the last game he was terrible. For those who didn't play it, all of his tears were retaliatory, meaning he fired a small barrage of 1-3 tears for every individual attack you hit him with. This meant that you could pretty much never kill him with a low damage, high fire rate build unless you had so many hearts that you could tank like 15 full hearts of damage. This was back when every floor beyond the depths made you take a full heart of damage form every damage source unless you had the wafer, mind.

AndroidHub
Feb 28, 2007

I've seen some stuff that would really make you say "like what?"
Did they fix the bugs involving lost + dead cat? Or is it just what's listed in the forum post?

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GenericGirlName
Apr 10, 2012

Why did you post that?

AndroidHub posted:

Did they fix the bugs involving lost + dead cat? Or is it just what's listed in the forum post?

That bug is also fixed.

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