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Snacksmaniac posted:Jarrett had his moments. Probably can count then on one hand. You have 6000 fingers on one hand?
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Halloween Jack posted:I hate Jarrett so much. I know he had family connections, but how did he get so much TV time in three promotions while being so unlikable? because despite all his carny bullshit he is a good wrestler who had consistently good matches with lots of people, during his time in the wwf especially. it wasn't until he was older and starting booking himself that he went poo poo. but seriously watch some of his new generation and attitude era matches against razor, shawn, x-pac, and especially owen. I can't speak for his WCW stuff that much I just haven't seen enough really.
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He's a good worker but a black hole of charisma.
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1st AD posted:He's a good worker but a black hole of charisma. I don't even agree with that, his matches are largely garbage. It's not like I can blame creative either, he was head of creative for most of his main event run.
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Nov 12, 2014 18:41
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MassRafTer posted:I don't even agree with that, his matches are largely garbage. It's not like I can blame creative either, he was head of creative for most of his main event run.
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Nov 12, 2014 18:53
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MassRafTer posted:I don't even agree with that, his matches are largely garbage. It's not like I can blame creative either, he was head of creative for most of his main event run. If you edit Jarrett matches to cut out stalling and strutting, they'd all be 2 minutes long
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Nov 12, 2014 18:56
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Endorph posted:Like WeaponX said, a lot of his best stuff was in WWF. He had a few really good matches in his first WWF run but I was never impressed by his Attitude era run. It's mostly pretty boring in ring with a surprisingly good match with Chyna at the end.
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Jarrett basically got angrier in the WWF. Changed his gear and his hairstyle to something less lame, started acting pissed off all the time, slapnuts, don't piss me off, aaah am the chosen one. When he showed up in WCW after his, um, rebranding, I thought - okay, let's see this 'new' Jarrett. I tried to like him, but I really hated him, and still do. As a performer, that is, I don't know what's he like in person, but as a wrestler, I hate him, and now when I'm watching him on old episodes of Nitro or Raw, I skip his segments, unless his getting his rear end kicked. Tried to watch WCW Greed on the Network last night, it was under 'suggested videos'. Stopped during the opening match. Like I mentioned before, getting both WCW and the WWF on European channels wasn't super easy, and I was stuck with WCW during its downfall, so now when I'm watching WWF PPVs from the same period, I'm actually turning into a total WWF fanboy. If I had both promotions to watch, I'd most likely fully switch to the WWF once Eddie went there. I love Eddie. Oh, and I was a fan of the Filthy Animals. Kidman was awesome, and Rey without the mask still wrestled the same.
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Rad R. posted:Jarrett basically got angrier in the WWF. Changed his gear and his hairstyle to something less lame, started acting pissed off all the time, slapnuts, don't piss me off, aaah am the chosen one. When he showed up in WCW after his, um, rebranding, I thought - okay, let's see this 'new' Jarrett. I tried to like him, but I really hated him, and still do. As a performer, that is, I don't know what's he like in person, but as a wrestler, I hate him, and now when I'm watching him on old episodes of Nitro or Raw, I skip his segments, unless his getting his rear end kicked. Greed is a great show.
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I've enjoyed Jeff as AJ's manager in NJPW, mostly for it giving AJ more to yell about and will he/won't he smash his guitar over someone's head. It's also the role with the least speaking he's ever had and he's not a wrestler, so that definitely helps. Re: WWF Jarrett: I haven't seen attitude era Jeff, but New Generation Jarrett was dogshit on the mic, and only mediocre in the ring, although maybe that is the fact he is generally unlikeable bleeding through. My favorite part of his run was when he left and convinced loving Road Dogg to go back to the USWA with him because leaving the WWF for Memphis is what a sane person does. Also it was my favorite part because he was gone.
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Jeff Jarrett's nearfall kickouts make me so angry.
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MassRafTer posted:Jeff Jarrett's nearfall kickouts make me so angry. The ones where he just lifts his arm but his shoulders are still clearly on the mat? I loving hate them.
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I've been watching all WCW starting with 1995 and I feel like The Crow is the best thing ever to happen to Sting because...I really hate surfer Sting. Even when the guy is all pumped up and enthused for his home crowd at Bash at the Beach '95, everything he says just comes off as so fake and phony, like maybe if he just tries hard enough and yells loud enough he will actually get into it and people will like him. Hulk Hogan's poo poo is just as cheesy (and often more so), but it works because Hulk buys into all of it. I cringe any time Sting has to start talking and be a babyface. I'm ready for him to stop talking as soon as possible.
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I like that there is still so much hate for Jeff Jarrett in 2014. It's like getting really mad about Val Venis or something.
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I can't recall a ton of good Jarrett matches from his WWF runs. There was his classic with HBK, a few decent ones with Razor in 1995, and Summerslam with XPac in 1998. I really can't think of anything else that really stands out. Someone mentioned some Owen matches. When did these happen?
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CopywrightMMXI posted:I can't recall a ton of good Jarrett matches from his WWF runs. There was his classic with HBK, a few decent ones with Razor in 1995, and Summerslam with XPac in 1998. I really can't think of anything else that really stands out. Someone mentioned some Owen matches. When did these happen? I've been listening to the Attitude Era podcasts, and they've come around on Jeff Jarrett in early 99. I think they really liked the Outlaws vs Double J & Owen match at Backlash 99.
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triplexpac posted:I like that there is still so much hate for Jeff Jarrett in 2014. It's like getting really mad about Val Venis or something. Val Venis doesn't just lift his loving arm like a lazy rear end on every single TNA weekly I force myself to sit through to ruin the lives of everyone else in my channel.
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Skinty McEdger posted:The ones where he just lifts his arm but his shoulders are still clearly on the mat? I loving hate them. There's not even a kickout he just looks like he wants to ask a question
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Rad R. posted:Jarrett basically got angrier in the WWF. Changed his gear and his hairstyle to something less lame, started acting pissed off all the time, slapnuts, don't piss me off, aaah am the chosen one. When he showed up in WCW after his, um, rebranding, I thought - okay, let's see this 'new' Jarrett. I tried to like him, but I really hated him, and still do. As a performer, that is, I don't know what's he like in person, but as a wrestler, I hate him, and now when I'm watching him on old episodes of Nitro or Raw, I skip his segments, unless his getting his rear end kicked. My fondest memory of Jeff Jarrett is him doing dad of the year skits with Kurt Angle's family in TNA. I might not be entirely joking about this either.
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maxallen posted:Re: WWF Jarrett: I haven't seen attitude era Jeff, but New Generation Jarrett was dogshit on the mic, What do you mean ha-HA, Double J ha-HA is ha-HA the best singer ha-HA, wrestler ha-HA, and interview ha-HA in the business ha-HA.
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He was smart enough to get NJPW aired in America under his promotion's label 
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MassRafTer posted:Val Venis doesn't just lift his loving arm like a lazy rear end on every single TNA weekly I force myself to sit through to ruin the lives of everyone else in my channel.
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Ain't he great?
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St Evan Echoes posted:He was also ten times the promo Jarrett was, and wrung everything he could out of a lovely porn star gimmick. Val Venis owned. like butter on a pancake
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Luigi Thirty posted:He was smart enough to get NJPW aired in America under his promotion's label Promoter of the Decade
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Nitro is on in 15! Tonight's show features: The newly crowd tag champion Steiner Bros. defending their titles! Booker T defending against Rick Martel! Ultimo Dragon vs Kid Man Curt Hennig vs Bobby Eaton your main event of HULK HOGAN AND MACHO MAN VS STING AND FLEXXY LEXXY AND SO MUCH MORE!!!! Tune in at 8 PM for Nitro! http://www.psp-tv.com/r/BadMoviesWorseWrestling
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This is neat. Paul Heyman in 1995 predicting Nitro being a flop for all the reasons that would eventually kill WCW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLH0b5UO2lg
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I've been flipping through old gaming magazines and came across this: This was right around the time that there were a whole slew of WWF games out. The one I distinctly remember is an ad that had the main picture be a shot of Dibiase and Macho Man punching each other in a cage. Other shots had a wide shot of an arena and ring, with promo pics of all the wrestlers interspersed with gameplay shots. The Man Called Sting: so awesome, even a 12 year old beanpole could kick his rear end. EDIT: Also, these games were on the SNES, Genesis and Sega CD. Near as I can tell, WCW never released a game on any of those consoles. The only other game that came out around that time was for the NES and featured the Road Warriors...who had jumped ship to WWF by the time the game was released. The game in the ad above also featured the Steiner Brothers as playable characters...who had also jumped ship to WWF by the time the game was released.  WCW
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So funny story, I was continuing digging through those old mags and I came across an ad for this game not long after I made that post. Ad was a lot better than the one above, had Sting arm-dragging some guy with some fairly blurry gameplay shots. I've never heard of this game, though. Any idea if it was any good?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbJUwHLt9f8 They gave Scott a standing Frankensteiner as a finisher  Yes I know that's technically a hurricanrana...
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Sometimes it's really sad to look at how dignified Flair used to look in promo pics compared to now.
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ayn rand hand job posted:They gave Scott a standing Frankensteiner as a finisher
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Halloween Jack posted:Well, technically it's the leg-hooking pin at the end that makes it a rana. If you wanna get really anal retentive about it, the only people who are supposed to call it a huricanrana are relatives of Hurican Ramirez, who invented the move. That idea got left in the dust long ago, though.
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ayn rand hand job posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbJUwHLt9f8 Looks really technically advanced for its time. 10 count on submission attempts is kind of neat.
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Perdido posted:This was right around the time that there were a whole slew of WWF games out. The one I distinctly remember is an ad that had the main picture be a shot of Dibiase and Macho Man punching each other in a cage. Other shots had a wide shot of an arena and ring, with promo pics of all the wrestlers interspersed with gameplay shots. Yup, I had this game. It was only okay but had a really decent roster considering the time period. 
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El Gallinero Gros posted:If you wanna get really anal retentive about it, the only people who are supposed to call it a huricanrana are relatives of Hurican Ramirez, who invented the move. That idea got left in the dust long ago, though. Well, it's commonplace in wrestling for moves to keep the names given to them by their innovator or the most popular person to do them years later. I'm fairly certain Okada is neither a mortician nor a zombie but he still does a Tombstone, and lots of people who aren't cowboys do lariats.
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Sure, you can be Sid in THAT game but not 2K15
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Snacksmaniac posted:Sure, you can be Sid in THAT game but not 2K15 IIRC Sid and Roddy were bizarrely overpowered compared to the other guys on offer.
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Uhm, Sid was the master and ruler of the universe. Of course he's going to be powerful.
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