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Sydin posted:Avatar state Aang also laid out Ozai like a total chump, despite Ozai easily being one of the strongest benders in the world at time time, and also working with super enhanced bending as a result of the comet. Sydin posted:But yeah, my point is that if you're going to have something like the avatar state, you have to either contrive reasons that it can't be used, or massively scale up the power of the antagonists, because otherwise it becomes an instant-win button that destroys the narrative. And if you do it badly enough you end up with Naruto.
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Torquemadras posted:I must admit, I have no idea what they mean either... Please explaaaaaiiiin After Varrick and Bolin have their little heart-to-heart about how maybe it's not so cool to make Bolin carry him around all the time, instead of then just walking normally Varrick's just all like, "Hop in the driver seat!" and Bolin jumps on his back. Vincent posted:The Bolin/Varrick parts, sure. Korra getting punked once again by the big baddie is really stupid now. Korra was totally successful in finding and rescuing Prince Wu, though? They never would have even gotten to the train station if it weren't for her spooky Avatar spirit powers! Empress Theonora fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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Baron Bifford posted:I think one of the big flaws of the Avatar shows, including TLA, is that the use of the Avatar state has been proscribed through plot devices. Aang and Korra are always stricken with some malady that prevents them from going super-Avatar at will. I think the problem is that the Avatar state has been used to put down individuals. Ideally, you should have to use it to put down armies, or highly skilled groups of benders of different elements like the Red Lotus. I think with P'Li the Red Lotus could've fought Korra to a pretty good standstill, at least for a while. Rincewind posted:Korra was totally successful in finding and rescuing Prince Wu, though? They never would have even gotten to the train station if it weren't for her spooky Avatar spirit powers! He's probably talking about how she got sucker-catapulted by a disguised Earth-bender when Wu popped his head out of the laundry.
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# ? Nov 15, 2014 22:19 |
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I completely agree with some of the complaints directed towards Korra. One of the best things about the original Avatar series is how Aang never lost or retreated from a fight! He never had any of that pesky 'conflict' get in his way.
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One Punch-Man works because it's a comedy. Also the author does a pretty great job coming up with problems that can't be solved by force alone. Really, that's what I enjoyed about the first half of season one. Korra was established early on to be a fantastic fighter, but was put up against situations where fighting didn't help her. Hell, her hot head & tendency to jump straight to violence actually hurt her, because she played right into Tarloq's plans & Amon's message.
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# ? Nov 15, 2014 22:32 |
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I think the final conflict isnt going to be just Korra vs. Kuvira, but preserving lives in the here and now or preserving the entity of "the Avatar" for future generations.
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I just hope Mako gets to lead the musical number "I'll Make a Man out of Wu."
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Okay, whatever problems I've had with Prince Wu were completely forgiven with the line "I'm not like you, Mako. I wasn't raised by a pack of cops in the woods." Everything Wu says in that clip is solid gold. What I think will happen based on the clip is Wu and Grandma (it looks like they're going to have a chat from the end of the clip, and we know Grandma wants Mako to date "one of those nice girls") will tell Mako not to give up on love or something. We'll get little moments throughout the rest of the season where Mako and Korra notice how each has changed/remember how much they care about the other and then they'll kiss in the final moments of the series Aang and Katara style. It won't be a huge focus like in the first two seasons and I can't see Bryke totally giving up on having a cheesy romantic ending. I mean, I'll be happy if it turns out I'm wrong, but that's what I'm resigned to. VanSandman posted:I just hope Mako gets to lead the musical number "I'll Make a Man out of Wu." We do know David Faustino is musically inclined. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AaQDK0tpt8
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 00:21 |
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Yeah, Korra and Mako getting back together is disappointing but likely. I don't like to board this train, because it's incredibly unlikely to happen and has gone to some very weird and unpleasant places in this thread, but if they are going for a romantic resolution, Asami does seem to be the only remaining character with sufficient chemistry with Korra for it to end up being vaguely convincing. They've just spent too much screentime painstakingly demonstrating why Mako and Korra are awful together to make them getting a happily-ever-after feel plausible, and I would be very surprised if they find a way to turn that around in the few episodes we have left. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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Rosalind posted:Whether you think Korra and Asami have a thing or not, this scene was ridiculously cute: To get back to this for a moment, I really do think that Bryke are hinting that Korra and Asami do have a mutual attraction to one another. And honestly, I really think it's nice. Not because I'm looking for weird kinky stuff: it's just a small but substantial step in saying "Hey, it's perfectly fine for people of the same gender to love each other." Doubt it'll manifest explicitly, and honestly I hope it doesn't because it'd be a little out of left field. But it's still an adorable and super sweet moment and a very encouraging sign that the insidious homosexual agenda is getting its claws into the minds of the next generation. Hiss.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 04:30 |
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Sometimes I wonder if the korra asami lesbo people have never had an actual best friend before. So far it's the only explanation I can come up with.
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Hauldren Collider posted:Sometimes I wonder if the korra asami lesbo people have never had an actual best friend before. So far it's the only explanation I can come up with. This post is hilarious, because I know from first hand experience that a lesbian couple could be openly making out and straight people will still assume they're just straight friends Pomp fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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"Oh, is this your roommate?" - Literally every straight person when they meet a lesbian's girlfriend
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Pomp posted:"Oh, is this your roommate?" - Literally every straight person when they meet a lesbian's girlfriend "Wow, I didn't know you were French!"
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RareAcumen posted:"Wow, I didn't know you were French!" lol
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Pomp posted:"Oh, is this your roommate?" - Literally every straight person when they meet a lesbian's girlfriend Some people just don't see two chicks all up in each others biz getting handsy and make reasonable inferences from available information, I guess. I challenge those people to watch Alpha House and see if you can guess which characters are secret lesbians working for republicans.
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Also fun observation: When Bolin is escorting the escaped prisoners past the checkpoint, he mentions that they escaped from "Camp 14." This should set off red flags for anyone who keeps up with North Korean politics. "Camp 14" is also the informal name for a reeducation camp there, the Kaechon Political Prison Camp. This site is a hardcore political prison for supposed traitors to the DPRK: imprisonment is for life, and not only are the accused "traitors" convicted, so are their relatives down to the third generation. Some grimdark stuff for those interested: *Prisoners are given only 100 to 200 grams of corn gruel per day, keeping the prison population at starvation levels. *The only source of protein for prisoners is rats and other vermin. *Obedient prisoners are given "reward marriages," where the guards select the spouses. *Children born into the camp remain prisoners for life, and are given no knowledge of the outside world. *Children have been beaten to death for picking berries. *There exists only one known escapee who had been born in a North Korean prison camp, Shin Dong-Hyuk, whose testimony is told in a book, "Escape from Camp 14." He'd never been taught basic human mores like compassion, mercy, or forgiveness, and was so brainwashed that he'd turned in his own brother and mother for attempting to escape. He watched their execution himself, and at the time was glad to see them die. Since his escape he describes himself as "an animal learning to become a human," and experiences severe PTSD and regret for what he'd been conditioned to do to survive. Honestly, this might just be a subtle hint for how truly brutal a dictator Kuvira is.
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ShadowCatboy posted:Also fun observation: When Bolin is escorting the escaped prisoners past the checkpoint, he mentions that they escaped from "Camp 14." Well. This thread took a turn for the grim.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 06:50 |
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It wouldn't be the first time Avatar referenced real-world human atrocities. Lake Laogai was similarly named after the political prison camps used in China.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 07:04 |
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Whenever I hear about the poo poo that goes on in prison camps it feels like my brain is actively trying to reject that I'm not reading fiction.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 07:21 |
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Pomp posted:Whenever I hear about the poo poo that goes on in prison camps it feels like my brain is actively trying to reject that I'm not reading fiction. It really is the kind of stuff that you'd laugh at for being too excessively over the top in a story but welp.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 07:30 |
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Man I just wanted to check the Korra thread before bed.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 07:35 |
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At least we have Toph to look forward to, right? Until she surrenders to save Suyin? Then they can go to the North Korean prison camp together....
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Deakul posted:You're pretty dumb, tbh. gently caress you. quote:You really can't appreciate the fact that she's an extremely inexperienced Avatar who got her poo poo pushed in and was also horribly tortured? It's going to take a very long time for her to recover from it mentally and physically. She spent the last three years "recovering." And "horribly tortured" basically amounts to being chained up and fed poison. It may have been painful but how much more painful could it have been compared to all the blows she has taken in the countless fights she has been in by now? She got hit by fire, ice, rocks, wind, metal, lava, had her limbs forcefully controlled by bloodbenders, had her bending ability taken away, had her connection to past avatars brutally severed... and she recovered just fine. Now we're supposed to ignore all that and believe a bit of poison should cause 3+ years of trauma?
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enraged_camel posted:She spent the last three years "recovering." Uh, it was a 'bit of poison' that literally almost killed her and left her wheelchair bound and unable to walk, after which she had to endure painful physical rehabilitation that took years and involved the help of the most talented magical healer in the world. So, uh, yes. You are supposed to believe that is because that is what happened. I mean I don't know how the show can make this any clearer considering it dedicated multiple episodes to it and specifically showed this.
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enraged_camel posted:gently caress you. It's PTSD, genius.
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ImpAtom posted:Uh, it was a 'bit of poison' that literally almost killed her and left her wheelchair bound and unable to walk, after which she had to endure painful physical rehabilitation that took years and involved the help of the most talented magical healer in the world. So, uh, yes. You are supposed to believe that is because that is what happened. I mean I don't know how the show can make this any clearer considering it dedicated multiple episodes to it and specifically showed this. You're injecting a lot of realism into it in order to rationalize why she is going through her current ordeal. The problem is that line of reasoning is not internally consistent with the rest of the show. There are a countless number of things that should have left her crippled, burned, disfigured etc. for extended periods of time, yet didn't. So why are we supposed to believe that a bit of metal-poison is different? Pomp posted:It's PTSD, genius. If it is PTSD what was the reason behind Toph revealing that she still had some poison in her? And then we went through the "she looks cured, but wait she isn't!" roller-coaster. The writing has gotten so bad it's pretty incredible. It's starting to remind me of Lost. All we need is a smoke monster. Maybe it will come out of the spirit-vines the evil robots are harvesting for their spirit bomb...
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 09:17 |
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Yep. You're pretty dumb, tbh.
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Superstring posted:Yep. You're pretty dumb, tbh. My magical spirit-geiger counter says the same about you...
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enraged_camel posted:So why are we supposed to believe that a bit of metal-poison is different? Yes? Like, this is the basic logic that literally all fictional writing is based on. The metal-poison was introduced, explained, emphasized onscreen and given weight by the storytelling. That is exactly how this works in all fictional writing, not just Korra. enraged_camel posted:If it is PTSD what was the reason behind Toph revealing that she still had some poison in her? And then we went through the "she looks cured, but wait she isn't!" roller-coaster. The reason was emphasizing that Korra's healing was not complete either physically or mentally despite the fact that she'd had the poisoned removed and had been to a healer. It was to emphasize that there was lasting damage to her that couldn't just be fixed with a pep talk or magic water but is instead something she will have to overcome on her own.
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ImpAtom posted:Yes? Like, this is the basic logic that literally all fictional writing is based on. The metal-poison was introduced, explained, emphasized onscreen and given weight by the storytelling. That is exactly how this works in all fictional writing, not just Korra. I get all that! What I'm saying is that it's both bad, lazy writing and makes for an incredibly boring season. If it wasn't for Boulin and Varrick I think most people would have lost interest at this point.
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enraged_camel posted:I get all that! What I'm saying is that it's both bad, lazy writing and makes for an incredibly boring season. If it wasn't for Boulin and Varrick I think most people would have lost interest at this point. I can't imagine how you can watch any of this show then. "Wait, Jet died there? That's impossible! We've seen people hit by rocks before and they never died. And how could Zuko get burned, we've seen tons of people fight with fire and they never get burned. Frankly, this show about magical kung-fu wizards is just not realistic and I find the consequences unbelievable."
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 09:40 |
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Sokka's first girlfriend sacrificed herself and turned into a moon? What a load of inconsistent horseshit!
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 09:49 |
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Korra needs to repair the damage Vaatu inflicted on her way back in season 2.
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enraged_camel posted:I get all that! What I'm saying is that it's both bad, lazy writing and makes for an incredibly boring season. If it wasn't for Boulin and Varrick I think most people would have lost interest at this point. I think the target demographic 10 year olds are fine just watching ninja people throw fireballs at each other for 12 episodes without getting into the never mind this show is loving dumb, let's just be honest here.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 10:53 |
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Here's a good thing about the show.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 11:04 |
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I think this show is a cut above most children's programming, even if it is not as good as TLA.
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HoneyBoy posted:Here's a good thing about the show. I thought Wu would turn out to be annoying, but he's so lovably wimpish, it's great. I especially like how absolutely no-one is putting up with his nonsense, yet he keeps on truckin'. Like the part where they all have a big ol' friendship hug, and Korra immediately pushes Wu out of the group. "You're the best friends a guy could have!"
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 12:55 |
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The dialogue for this episode was some of the worst I've ever seen, though. I mean, it's not often I notice the dialogue in the first place, but they really need to step it up for the next episodes. Try listening to the conversation leading up to and during the kidnapping.
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ShadowCatboy posted:To get back to this for a moment, I really do think that Bryke are hinting that Korra and Asami do have a mutual attraction to one another. And honestly, I really think it's nice. Not because I'm looking for weird kinky stuff: it's just a small but substantial step in saying "Hey, it's perfectly fine for people of the same gender to love each other." It's a nice thought, but I really doubt that a Nickelodeon show that wanted to do that would be nearly as subtle about it. I'm just going to assume they flubbed the character writing until further evidence presents itself. And yes, I'm completely aware that the 'Korra and Asami are just good friends' interpretation is infinitely more likely. Doesn't change the fact that they've had far more chemistry for the past couple of seasons than Korra did/does with the guy she's actually made out with on-screen several times, meaning that even if they are just good buddies, Korra/Asami would still make more character sense for the obligatory Nickelodeon romance than any other option currently presented (unless I'm missing anyone obvious). Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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