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Communocracy posted:Whenever my friend says he is going to "church" he means he's actually going to a rave to get high on drugs and dance around. OP, could Jesus drop a bassline so sick that not even he himself could rinse out to it? Makes you think. Oh god, between really bad Jesus Rock groups and the Raves, the South continues to leave me in a state of confusion.
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Not sure if you knew this but that's just baptist church footage with drum n bass played overtop, they are basically rinsing out to Jesus but not actually to dnb
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Communocracy posted:Not sure if you knew this but that's just baptist church footage with drum n bass played overtop, they are basically rinsing out to Jesus but not actually to dnb I know, but come to the South and prepare to be shocked
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Kyrie eleison posted:I can tell you the real answer, but you probably won't like it. God regularly condemns entire peoples and uses other peoples to wipe them out. This scenario effectively plays out in reverse later when the Kingdom of Israel is totally destroyed by neighboring kingdoms, who are believed to be acting as agents of God to punish Israel. There's methods people use to hand-wave this stuff, but it's there and it's a recurring theme throughout the OT, so I'll just tell you the truth about it. Pictured: Kyrie's Interpretation of God.
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Blarghalt posted:So here's something that always stumped me. What happens is that most orthodox Christians (Orthodox, Catholic, mainline Protestants) have implicitly concluded that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not actually necessary for salvation, though it helps to get your soul into shape for salvation. Most Christians who don't accept this conclusion generally are gleeful about the possibility that more people will go to Hell for them to feel superior to. But this was a massive controversy in the Catholic Church around the time of the Age of Discovery.
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I've been to the south, it was shocking how many huge rear end churches there were. Rotting decaying libraries and high schools and enormous mega-churches that look like they were just built that's what I remember Houston/Baytown being like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQdIiEUFtqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmhZVjaqQo Edgar Quintero fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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Communocracy posted:I've been to the south, it was shocking how many huge rear end churches there were. Rotting decaying libraries and high schools and enormous mega-churches that look like they were just built that's what I remember Houston/Baytown being like. One of the local groups from my hometown just shelled out $700,000 for giant crosses http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/aug/08/colossal-crosses/
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people who believe that Teresa was anything other than a death fetishist who felt a thrill in her clitoris when a starving old man checked out looking into her eyes. But she was so famous!
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CommieGIR posted:One of the local groups from my hometown just shelled out $700,000 for giant crosses Amazing, and how much money do those people contribute to feeding the homeless or rehabilitating the environment every year? I'm betting not much. prayze jayzis errday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQdIiEUFtqk
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Communocracy posted:Amazing, and how much money do those people contribute to feeding the homeless or rehabilitating the environment every year? I'm betting not much. prayze jayzis errday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQdIiEUFtqk Oh, that isn't even the best investment by a church in Chattanooga: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/aug/18/surrounded-by-the-word-of-god/ $8.5 Million. For a Mission training building. With Bibles in the walls.
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Effectronica posted:What happens is that most orthodox Christians (Orthodox, Catholic, mainline Protestants) have implicitly concluded that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not actually necessary for salvation, though it helps to get your soul into shape for salvation. Most Christians who don't accept this conclusion generally are gleeful about the possibility that more people will go to Hell for them to feel superior to. They're still trying to sort out limbo. It's almost like the concept of original sin is bonkers.
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My ancestors were money changers. Your deity whipped them for feeding their family.
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Blarghalt posted:So here's something that always stumped me. It always seemed a little weird that he only spent three days tops in hell. Like, he probably should have turned up in hell, freed all the good guys and babies and spent the rest of eternity ministering down there, throwing people who he can get to accept him into their hearts upstairs. In my heart of hearts Jesus is still in hell, helpin' people out, because he's just that kind of guy.
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Nessus posted:I'm aware Tolkien was Catholic. You seem to have gotten a very different read out of the religion than he did. Then again, he actually had to fight a grinding war. Or does God only want wars that are routs and slaughters? Would it surprise anyone if it turned out kyrie Ellison was a member of the dork enlightenment?
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spoon0042 posted:They're still trying to sort out limbo. It's almost like the concept of original sin is bonkers. Nah, the idea that there's a fundamental flaw in the human condition which produces human misery is one that's fairly endemic across large civilizations. There's even a couple different secular versions. ikanreed posted:My ancestors were money changers. Your deity whipped them for feeding their family. Now, put in "slave traders", and watch-
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spoon0042 posted:They're still trying to sort out limbo. It's almost like the concept of original sin is bonkers. However, it seems like creating an image of an all powerful, all loving, all seeing, all wonderful super-Father, who incidentally despises you and won't let you into his house (because his house can't have things like you in it) unless you fulfill some checklist needed for grace, is not; and the fact that the penalty for failure is not oblivion or lack of reward, but rather eternal punishment, starts to make it look like a rigged game.
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SedanChair posted:people who believe that Teresa was anything other than a death fetishist who felt a thrill in her clitoris when a starving old man checked out looking into her eyes. But she was so famous! Now wait a second she also pulled down a lot of cash.
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Did the thread realize they were getting insanely obviously trolled yet? Holy gently caress D&D pull it together.
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Average Bear posted:Did the thread realize they were getting insanely obviously trolled yet? Holy gently caress D&D pull it together. If so, it's a very slow burn since he's being doing this for over a year now. I suspect he's being mostly genuine, or at least not consciously trolling us. EDIT: \/\/\/\/\/\/Oh goodie, I was so hoping you'd show up! Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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Kyrie eleison posted:God regularly condemns entire peoples and uses other peoples to wipe them out. This scenario effectively plays out in reverse later when the Kingdom of Israel is totally destroyed by neighboring kingdoms, who are believed to be acting as agents of God to punish Israel. There's methods people use to hand-wave this stuff, but it's there and it's a recurring theme throughout the OT, so I'll just tell you the truth about it. Kyrie what is the context of the four Gospels? By that I mean in direct response to what event were the four gospels written. Why does that context make what you're doing here problematic?
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Average Bear posted:Did the thread realize they were getting insanely obviously trolled yet? Holy gently caress D&D pull it together. Its even harder to tell between trolls and real dedicated faithfuls with religious D&D, because they both tend to say things that border on the outrageous.
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SedanChair posted:Pilate said "what is truth?" and Jesus couldn't think of poo poo to say That gospel starts by answering that question explicitly and has Jesus answer that question explicitly.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:If so, it's a very slow burn since he's being doing this for over a year now. I suspect he's being mostly genuine, or at least not consciously trolling us. Yeah, this has been Kyrie's gimmick as long as I've been aware that he exists. Kyrie, we already know your stance on Buddhism - they should have bargained for a better offer than nonexistence (by accepting Jesus Christ into their hearts). How about the Hindus? (Trick question, Hindus are about as non-monolithic as it's possible to get, but I'm in part curious about your perception of what's fundamentally Hindu, and in part curious about why that is fundamentally wrong.)
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BrandorKP posted:That gospel starts by answering that question explicitly and has Jesus answer that question explicitly. Which is like when you're playing the dozens and think of a comeback 20 minutes later. Doesn't count
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Yeah, this has been Kyrie's gimmick as long as I've been aware that he exists.
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Hodgepodge posted:At least he's arguing in his own words, instead of being like "here's a link to the Bible, I think you'll find it is true a priori." Yeah but if he wasn't an effort troll then the jig would be up real fast and that's no fun for anyone.
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Ninjasaurus posted:Yeah but if he wasn't an effort troll then the jig would be up real fast and that's no fun for anyone. I kinda stop caring about whether it's a troll when like 70% of the US agrees with the position unironically
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Zeitgueist posted:I kinda stop caring about whether it's a troll when like 70% of the US agrees with the position unironically Don't you see, the entire nation is being trolled
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CommieGIR posted:Thats some excellent logic there Being a saint does not excuse you from valid criticism, nor does carrying out what you interpret as acts of kindness make those acts free from criticism either. Mother Teresa isn't a saint. She was beatified, but AFAIK that is only like 3/4 of a Catholic saint. Anyway, unlike in the West using drugs to provide pain relief was unfortunately enough not common practice in India at that time for various reasons. Since this is Argumentum ad Wikipedia anyway I'm just going to C&P from Wikipedia as well: quote:...the use of opioids in India for managing cancer pain remains—ten years after Mother Teresa's death—highly problematic for legal, regulatory, cultural, and other reasons (including supply interruptions, harsh punishments imposed for even minor infractions of the rules, and the fear of addiction by health workers)... As late as 2001, researchers could write that "pain relief is a new notion in [India]", and "palliative care training has been available only since 1997". CommieGIR posted:And nuns with no medical training treating patients who needed pain relief more than massages. But hey, keep going all out on the context issue. The context is reality and the sad reality is that if it wasn't for those nuns these people would've died alone on the streets. Even providing them with merely a roof over their heads and a bed to die in seems like an act of kindness to me. On SA this probably comes across as passive aggressive, but I sincerely hope that people who have such an incredibly low opinion of Mother Teresa and her charitable work strive and succeed in making the world a better place for the poor and destitute themselves. God Bless.
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itsnice2bnice posted:
That'd come across as eye-rollingly passive-aggressive anywhere, especially with the self-congratulatory "God bless" on the end. The work Mother Theresa did discouraging contraceptive use basically destroys her legacy of charity, without even examining the charity work itself. That was incredibly lovely of her.
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itsnice2bnice posted:Mother Teresa isn't a saint. She was beatified, but AFAIK that is only like 3/4 of a Catholic saint. Anyway, unlike in the West using drugs to provide pain relief was unfortunately enough not common practice in India at that time for various reasons. Since this is Argumentum ad Wikipedia anyway I'm just going to C&P from Wikipedia as well: She is quoted as specifically discouraging the use of them anyways, if she actually gave a drat it could've been easy for her to push through Catholic channels to get better legislation passed WHILE at the same time 'treating' the patients as best she could. As influential as she was, this was not outside her scope of ability. So the question remains: Between what she has said about her feelings towards 'Dying with grace' and her abilities, its hard to believe that she was simply limited by India's rules. Considering the 'ins' she had among the Indian politicians as well, its even more worrying that she didn't do something more. You know, prior to her returning to the US to enjoy actual medical treatment. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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itsnice2bnice posted:On SA this probably comes across as passive aggressive, but I sincerely hope that people who have such an incredibly low opinion of Mother Teresa and her charitable work strive and succeed in making the world a better place for the poor and destitute themselves. God Bless. Atheists love turning Mother Teresa into a villain so they can justify their own inaction regarding the weakest. These are people who argue that the poor ought to die alone in the streets because simply loving them isn't enough. Teresa was a terrible sinner I'm sure- as we all are, but this movement to demonizer her is pretty much just plain evil and it is telling that Christopher Hitchens is foremost among her detractors.
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Miltank posted:Atheists love turning Mother Teresa into a villain so they can justify their own inaction regarding the weakest. These are people who would rather the weakest die alone in the streets because simply loving them isn't enough. Teresa was a terrible sinner I'm sure, as we all are- but this movement to demonizer her is pretty much just plain evil and it is telling that Christopher Hitchens is among her detractors. Demonize? No, I don't want to demonize her. While her work is commendable, there are glaring issues as to why she couldn't be more effective. That's all. But specifically lashing out at people who raise criticism of her work is no better than labeling any critical of Israel an anti-semite.
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OP: Have you seen someone cast a spell
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CommieGIR posted:Demonize? No, I don't want to demonize her. While her work is commendable, there are glaring issues as to why she couldn't be more effective. That's all. SedanChair posted:people who believe that Teresa was anything other than a death fetishist who felt a thrill in her clitoris when a starving old man checked out looking into her eyes. But she was so famous!
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Nope, that's not me.
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Some posts aren't about you.
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Miltank posted:Some posts aren't about you. No, but your repeated follow ups of any criticism of her has been: Miltank posted:hmmmm, nope. ripping on mother teresa still making you look like a dipshit.
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When I die I'm going to wake up in the year 9000 in my Console-Pod 99 Virutal Reality Entertainment System (Also known as the latest release of the Xbox One). I'll collect all my sick cheevos for living this life and hopefully I'll have a sweet enough Gamerscore to start a new game with some better starting stats.
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Also quoting SedanChair about anything doesn't mean a whole lot. He is not representative. Of anyone. In any thread, ever. A special snowflake. Kyrie eleison, have you decided to convert to Christianity and forsake your blasphemous loyalty to Satan's "Roman" Church? Other Catholics in the thread who have seen the light, feel free to speak up as well. Miltank, maybe? Don't actually know what you are.
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