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Jackson Taus posted:To add on to this, the Koch Brothers/the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy are already a step ahead on this game - pushing their views through law schools and economics departments so that if they can't directly influence legislators at least they'll be molding them as they come into the system. High schools too.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 22:55 |
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Thankfully Pearson and McGraw-Hill removed the changes the Koch's pushed through to their science books.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 22:56 |
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CommieGIR posted:Thankfully Pearson and McGraw-Hill removed the changes the Koch's pushed through to their science books. Kochs have several grant programs available which offer students up to $2,000 reimbursement for enrollment in select, approved courses. If someone is willing to reduce the costs of students in higher ed while they're instructed upon best-practices analytical methods, I trust the students to be intelligent enough to see through potential bias and conflicts of interest.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 22:58 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:Kochs have several grant programs available which offer students up to $2,000 reimbursement for enrollment in select, approved courses. If someone is willing to reduce the costs of students in higher ed while they're instructed upon best-practices analytical methods, I trust the students to be intelligent enough to see through potential bias and conflicts of interest. Yeah it's certainly possible to overcome, but the main takeaway is that it's a lovely program that shouldn't exist.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 23:18 |
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menino posted:Yeah it's certainly possible to overcome, but the main takeaway is that it's a lovely program that shouldn't exist. I agree, however, you can't reform education in America without first fixing our communities and restoring historical rates of intra-class mobility during the lifespan. Until then, its better than nothing.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 23:26 |
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!!!BREAKING NEWS!!! Jim Webb Launches Exploratory Committee Does he have the right stuff to officially enter?
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 07:50 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:You 'reform' lobbying too much without addressing the underlying issues, all you do is push more money through unofficial channels. Would you be in favor of a system whereby votes could be directly purchased with cash given to the voters?
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 07:51 |
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Nameless_Steve posted:!!!BREAKING NEWS!!! Maybe he can enter but... quote:The excitement among Democrats about James Webb, the Senator from Virginia, is understandable. Having a Vietnam-war-hero-turned- Reagan-administration-official-turned-Iraq-War foe on the ticket would lend Barack Obama a stiff dose of military experience, not to mention manly toughness. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Webb was a loud cultural conservative for decades. Since he got frustrated with being a U.S. Senator and wandered off I doubt he'll have the stomach for the unrelenting oppo dump that is coming his way.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 13:45 |
DynamicSloth posted:Maybe he can enter but... Don't trust any presidential candidate over thirty (except Bernie Sanders)
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 14:06 |
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Nameless_Steve posted:!!!BREAKING NEWS!!! Who exactly is his constituency...
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 15:34 |
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mcmagic posted:Who exactly is his constituency... I feel like it's one of those "keep trying to compete for working class to middle-class whites" sort of things. Obviously if it worked it'd be great, but I think the reality is that given the choice between Diet Republican Tough Guy and Republican Tough Guy, folks are gonna go with the actual Republican.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 15:59 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Don't trust any presidential candidate over thirty (except Bernie Sanders) But you can't run for president unless you're—ooooooooooooooh.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 16:03 |
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Was Webb the one that pissed off Bush by telling him he wished his kid or nephew wasn't in Iraq?
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 16:23 |
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I told my conserva-dad about Webb. I bet the guy that kept getting caught by airport security for trying to take guns on planes will serve him well in his demographic.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Don't trust any presidential candidate over thirty (except Bernie Sanders) Bernie's NPR interview was ... not encouraging.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 17:25 |
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mcmagic posted:Who exactly is his constituency... Webb was supported by DKos and the Netroots early on with his 2006 Senate bid, mostly because of his opposition to the war in Iraq and because they knew they couldn't do much better in Virginia in 2006. Kos has since said that he's no longer on the Webbmentum train.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 17:26 |
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Joementum posted:Webb was supported by DKos and the Netroots early on with his 2006 Senate bid, mostly because of his opposition to the war in Iraq and because they knew they couldn't do much better in Virginia in 2006. Kos has since said that he's no longer on the Webbmentum train. Yeah but he's an easy choice if the alternative is a good ole boy Sons of Confederate Veterans member....
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 17:32 |
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I don't think anyone with that website is ready to lead.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 18:10 |
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mcmagic posted:Who exactly is his constituency...
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 19:51 |
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It's actually a good book, esp if you're from Appalachia. I'm assuming he'll be more pointed in his economic criticisms of Clinton, probably from a populist perspective, possibly more left-leaning. At least someone will talk about someone that's poor and not The Middle Class, even if it's just as some sort of cultural identifier that probably won't work since the Democrats are pretty solidly seen as the coastal liberal party and that's where the $ is.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 20:53 |
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The Warszawa posted:Bernie's NPR interview was ... not encouraging. I only caught the snippets where he ducked questions about the White Working Class. How was the whole interview?
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 21:08 |
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De Nomolos posted:It's actually a good book, esp if you're from Appalachia. I am and I've read enough about the subject that I doubt he has much new to offer. Funnily enough Clinton was the white working class populist candidate in 2008. I was living in western NC back then and it was not surprising but notable the level of vitriol toward Obama and praise for her, despite the fact her husband sold pretty much everyone around under the river, and I seriously doubt she'd have done anything as president to make up for it.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 23:06 |
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The Warszawa posted:Bernie's NPR interview was ... not encouraging. Not the worst NPR interview of this month though.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 23:07 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Was Webb the one that pissed off Bush by telling him he wished his kid or nephew wasn't in Iraq? Yep. Webb had just been elected, it was his first meeting with Bush, and was at an event welcoming the newly elected congressmen. Webb's son was a paratrooper over in Iraq, he'd worn his son's first pair of jump boots at every stop on his campaign. Bush came up to him and tried to do an overly friendly opener of "How's your son doing in Iraq?" To which Webb replied "He'd be doing a lot loving better if he was home" Beat pause, Bush left without saying anything else and left the event shortly thereafter Webb has the stuff posted above as negatives for him as a candidate, but that interaction alone will always sit well with me Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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computer parts posted:Not the worst NPR interview of this month though. Way to set that bar high.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 23:24 |
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comes along bort posted:I am and I've read enough about the subject that I doubt he has much new to offer. The phrase is sold down the river, because if you were a slave in America sold down the river that meant you were getting further into cotton land with more beatings and even shittier treatment.
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# ? Nov 20, 2014 23:51 |
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looks like i picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue then
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 01:29 |
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Rygar201 posted:I only caught the snippets where he ducked questions about the White Working Class. How was the whole interview? "People shouldn't vote their color, they should vote on [class issues]," the same week as both the Ferguson grand jury is supposed to come in and Obama is acting on immigration reform (which ties into anti-Latino sentiment that's been boiling over since 2004) is just so incredibly out of touch. Lines like this make me think that Sanders is basically socialist Jim Webb: quote:Well, here's what you got. What you got is an African-American president, and the African-American community is very, very proud that this country has overcome racism and voted for him for president. And that's kind of natural. You've got a situation where the Republican Party has been strongly anti-immigration, and you've got a Hispanic community which is looking to the Democrats for help.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 01:38 |
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Keep in mind that Sanders' constituency is 95.3% white.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 01:43 |
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Joementum posted:Keep in mind that Sanders' constituency is 95.3% white. If you're going to run for President in a party that increasingly relies on minority votes for viability, even as an issue candidate to raise awareness, you should probably think beyond your immediate constituency.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 02:01 |
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The Warszawa posted:If you're going to run for President in a party that increasingly relies on minority votes for viability, even as an issue candidate to raise awareness, you should probably think beyond your immediate constituency. Why do people think he's running seriously for President?
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 02:03 |
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Trabisnikof posted:Why do people think he's running seriously for President? Even if you're only doing it to "bring a message" or whatever it probably shouldn't be "let's pretend that race doesn't exist, signed A Wyatt Mann".
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 02:06 |
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The Warszawa posted:If you're going to run for President in a party that increasingly relies on minority votes for viability, even as an issue candidate to raise awareness, you should probably think beyond your immediate constituency. I agree. It's clearly something he'll have to get more experience doing.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 02:07 |
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Joementum posted:Keep in mind that Sanders' constituency is 95.3% white. Honestly that's lower than I would have guessed.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 02:24 |
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Chantilly Say posted:Honestly that's lower than I would have guessed. It's 30% Franco-American!
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 03:25 |
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The Warszawa posted:It's 30% Franco-American! I didn't think Vermonters were that fascist.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 03:28 |
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Bernie Sanders, beholden to Big Maple AND Big Pasta.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 09:38 |
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The next great "See, I'm not racist" hope, Ben Carson, is already taking fire for not forsaking all other gods and worshiping at the altar of guns:quote:Ahead of a weekend trip to Iowa, potential 2016 Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson sought to assure supporters Wednesday evening that he's a strong Second Amendment supporter. This is not playing well. Even among Herman Cain's audience, where it was presented with the market-testing approach of "does his latest attempt to clarify his 2nd Amendment stance ease your concerns?", the responses compared him to Obama and expressed distrust. You cannot say anything to this base that is not 100% and unabashed support of all guns everywhere and at all times or you scare them. Either you're with us or your against guns. Knight fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Nov 22, 2014 |
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Knight posted:The next great "See, I'm not racist" hope, Ben Carson, is already taking fire for not forsaking all other gods and worshiping at the altar of guns: Carson is clearly a joke candidate and I'm cynically assuming he's just trying to raise his profile by running and doesn't actually expect to get the nomination. Another Bloomberg article posted today quoted a Clinton insider as saying a Jeb Bush/Rob Portman ticket could make a worthy opponent to Hillary. Thoughts?
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 02:09 |
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Ninjasaurus posted:Another Bloomberg article posted today quoted a Clinton insider as saying a Jeb Bush/Rob Portman ticket could make a worthy opponent to Hillary. Thoughts? Maybe in David Brooks' wet dreams.
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