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CommieGIR posted:No, but your repeated follow ups of any criticism of her has been: Criticizing Mother Teresa does make you a dipshit. Ultimately, you are criticizing her for being a famous Christian who didn't dedicate her life to charity good enough. GlyphGryph posted:Other Catholics in the thread who have seen the light, feel free to speak up as well. Miltank, maybe? Don't actually know what you are. I'm a non-trad Calvinist. Miltank fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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The real reason people levy these criticisms is because Mother Theresea is on the other team. If she was an avowed Communist or something the same people would be singing her praises from the rooftops.
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Miltank posted:Criticizing Mother Teresa does make you a dipshit. Ultimately, you are criticizing her for being a famous Christian who didn't dedicate her life to charity good enough. A Well Grounded ArgumentTM EasternBronze posted:The real reason people levy these criticisms is because Mother Theresea is on the other team. If she was an avowed Communist or something the same people would be singing her praises from the rooftops. Obviously. She should have sacrificed more to the gods of Socialism! 
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CommieGIR posted:A well grounded argumentTM Isn't that your criticism of her? That this woman who lived a life of poverty and charity for some of the least regarded humans on the planet didn't do a good enough job at it?
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Bwee posted:OP: Have you seen someone cast a spell I have:  Why, that's some real-rear end chaos magic right there.
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Miltank posted:Isn't that your criticism of her? That this woman who lived a life of poverty and charity for some of the least regarded humans on the planet didn't do a good enough job at it? Yes. She didn't. She failed to enact changes that could have relieved their suffering using the very vast connections she made through the Indian political community and her wealth of influence, and could have introduce legislation to help bring real relief, for someone who was not above breaking barriers, she didn't break many that actually could have made a real difference. Between that and her stance on contraception, which while a reflection of the Church's overall stance, probably introduced more poor to suffering than she could have ever helped, raises issues with her works. I mean, c'mon, in her age, the Church was showing it was OPEN to progressive changes that could have amplified the work she did. She did good work. But she had the power and the means (and let's be honest, the money by the time of her fame) to do far more. And she didn't. Nintendo Kid posted:I have:  You have summoned the demon of TECHNOLOGY!
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EasternBronze posted:The real reason people levy these criticisms is because Mother Theresea is on the other team. If she was an avowed Communist or something the same people would be singing her praises from the rooftops.
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Seriouspost: What are your thoughts regarding the epistemology that underlies a belief in God? How do you come to know God, and how do you know you've come to know God? Or to put it another way: what are your thoughts regarding reason, faith, and their relationship to a justified belief in God? Also, why Catholicism rather than, say, Buddhism or Islam?
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Nessus posted:(and there's a creepy undertone to 'the absolute best thing you could do for the poors in all situations is mass contraception distribution', sometimes) Well, consider India started their forced sterilization campaign around the time of her influence.....mass contraception is WAY less creepy
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SedanChair posted:Which is like when you're playing the dozens and think of a comeback 20 minutes later. Doesn't count The author of John is saying something about Rome and the ability of Imperial Romans (ie. Pilate) to "hear the voice of" the Truth when directly confronted with it in the flesh. It's a criticism of Rome. The context of the gospels in the new testament is the destroyed Jewish Temple (and thus hope of a renewed Jewish Kingdom). The Romans had destroyed the dream of a renewal of the Kingdom of Israel, by destroying the temple. Which is what Kyrie is missing when he goes on about God destroying nations in the old testament, the gospels are written only down after Rome goes about destroying poo poo (and they get written down at different points in that process). Maybe his interpretation should take into account the New Testament gospels and their context? The story of Jesus on the cross is written down in response to the horrifically violent suppression of the Jews by the Romans. I think the lack of a given response to Pilates question is an intentional statement about that. John's Jesus is very Jewish and it was probably written for a Jewish audience. (Which is odd to most people given that John is often seen as antisemitic, but this is because John is taking sides in a split between different Jewish groups.)
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That's just coming up with stuff. Bacon said Pilate would not stay for an answer, but maybe he did. The mystical, insubstantial truth as represented by what Jesus said to the apostles wouldn't have made any sense to Pilate, and not because he was inured to it, because it's mystical hogwash in contrast to anything the dimly seen Master of the earliest texts would have said. She was a bad person, a Mengele in her thirst to witness human suffering. Is that controversial? woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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SedanChair posted:That's just coming up with stuff. Bacon said Pilate would not stay for an answer, but maybe he did. The mystical, insubstantial truth as represented by what Jesus said to the apostles wouldn't have made any sense to Pilate, and not because he was inured to it, because it's mystical hogwash in contrast to anything the dimly seen Master of the earliest texts would have said. Sedan there are plenty of reasons to not like Mother Theresa, she really could have been more effective than she was when it came to helping the dying, but puppeting arguments by Christopher Hitchens is not needed.
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SedanChair posted:That's just coming up with stuff. Bacon said Pilate would not stay for an answer, but maybe he did. The mystical, insubstantial truth as represented by what Jesus said to the apostles wouldn't have made any sense to Pilate, and not because he was inured to it, because it's mystical hogwash in contrast to anything the dimly seen Master of the earliest texts would have said. You're appearing to carry a grudge against a man who died in terrible agony almost two thousand years ago. About the only thing more pathetic, IMO, is lying about yourself to win politics arguments on the internet.
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Nov 17, 2014 23:10
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Mother Theresa did good deeds therefore she is immune to all criticism ergo the people who criticize her are literally pure evil checkmate.
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Ninjasaurus posted:Mother Theresa did good deeds therefore she is immune to all criticism ergo the people who criticize her are literally pure evil checkmate. No, but repeating the kind of arguments that Hitchens made doesn't actually help your point.
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If Omar Little was coming to rob your poo poo, would you rather have Jesus or a glock? I rest my case.
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Crowsbeak posted:No, but repeating the kind of arguments that Hitchens made doesn't actually help your point. Pretty much. Hitchens has the same issue Dawkins does: He gets too deep into his own vitriolic arguments instead of cutting to the meat of the issue. See: Dawkins on Islam.
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Vitriol is only out of place where it says things that aren't true. Dawkins and Hitchens both got out of their depth when they were hating Islam, but just because Hitchens noticed that Teresa was worse than a murdering "mercy killing" nurse doesn't mean the rest of us are forbidden from noticing it.Effectronica posted:You're appearing to carry a grudge against a man who died in terrible agony almost two thousand years ago. About the only thing more pathetic, IMO, is lying about yourself to win politics arguments on the internet. Oh now what would that be a reference to? In any case I'm not bearing a grudge, again we are faced with the gap between Jesus and his followers, and I am pointing out that the gap began as soon as they began to write the stories down, turn them into myths, and attempt to reconcile them with earthly powers. woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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GlyphGryph posted:Also quoting SedanChair about anything doesn't mean a whole lot. He is not representative. Of anyone. In any thread, ever. A special snowflake. Which of the following anti-Catholic terms would you prefer to use: Mary-worshipper, papist, popery, whore of Babylon, or other? Personally I'm a fan of "popery". It somehow manages to be both classy and offensive at the same time. You really don't see that combination a lot.
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Crowsbeak posted:No, but repeating the kind of arguments that Hitchens made doesn't actually help your point. What I said was what was being argued, unless I missed the nuance in "the movement to demonize her is pretty much just plain evil".
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Has anyone pointed out how the classic Catholic imagery of Mary is very clearly Yonic? MARRY AND REPRODUCE
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SedanChair posted:Vitriol is only out of place where it says things that aren't true. Dawkins and Hitchens both got out of their depth when they were hating Islam, but just because Hitchens noticed that Teresa was worse than a murdering "mercy killing" nurse doesn't mean the rest of us are forbidden from noticing it. I don't know what you're coyly referring to, but yeah, you were pretty much joyfully cackling over the agent of a brutal, genocidal state owning the poo poo out of this mystic because the followers of that mystic's message have done lovely things over the years, unlike the people who admire the brutal, genocidal state.
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Effectronica posted:I don't know what you're coyly referring to, but yeah, you were pretty much joyfully cackling over the agent of a brutal, genocidal state owning the poo poo out of this mystic because the followers of that mystic's message have done lovely things over the years, unlike the people who admire the brutal, genocidal state. You're the one talking about people lying about themselves. I'm afraid I don't understand the reference? In any case, yes, please let that be the extent of your understanding, that I was cackling about Pilate. But why would I gloat about the death of a man when there's not even any good documentation of when or how his death occurred?
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SedanChair posted:You're the one talking about people lying about themselves. I'm afraid I don't understand the reference? What reference? I don't think you read the post where I called you pathetic, though, or else you wouldn't be asking such stupid questions.
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Is there a correlation between liking anime and being a Christian Also, OP: have you seen someone cast a spell
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Effectronica posted:What reference? I don't think you read the post where I called you pathetic, though, or else you wouldn't be asking such stupid questions. I quoted you: Effectronica posted:You're appearing to carry a grudge against a man who died in terrible agony almost two thousand years ago. About the only thing more pathetic, IMO, is lying about yourself to win politics arguments on the internet. Can you explain what the bolded part of your comment is a reference to?
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Bwee posted:Is there a correlation between liking anime and being a Christian I'm not a Christian, and I've "cast spells", in your parlance. SedanChair posted:I quoted you: What the gently caress are you on about?
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Effectronica posted:What reference? I don't think you read the post where I called you pathetic, though, or else you wouldn't be asking such stupid questions. You should clarify your argument. Its your responsibility to be more clear.
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Effectronica posted:What the gently caress are you on about? Who is "lying about themselves to win arguments on the internet"?
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SedanChair posted:Who is "lying about themselves to win arguments on the internet"? Lots of people! Jesus, you're freaking paranoid!
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Effectronica posted:Lots of people! Jesus, you're freaking paranoid! What is the connection to what we were discussing?
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Effectronica posted:Lots of people! Jesus, you're freaking paranoid! Could you counter his argument with something that isn't a handwave?
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What spells have you cast?
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SedanChair posted:What is the connection to what we were discussing? What on earth is this about? Is this a game of twenty questions? Because you're a quarter of the way through.
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Effectronica posted:What on earth is this about? Is this a game of twenty questions? Because you're a quarter of the way through. It would help if you could formulate an actual response that isn't a passive aggressive handwave
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Bwee posted:What spells have you cast? I cast Curaga once but it didn't do anything. Guess I better level up.
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Your getting GBS in our D&D, and unlike Reese's Cups it is not delicious. Anyway:Kyrie eleison posted:Yes, like Abraham, out of obedience to God, and trusting in his Will; and like with Abraham, God would never require evil from me, only the evidence that my loyalty is so great that I would be willing to commit evil for His sake. Except for that time when it totally happened to Jephthah. Also a slew of other blatantly immoral actions. Also the Catholic Church is a criminal organization that protects numerous known pedophiles from being prosecuted and no amount of good that they ever do will outweigh that. -EDIT- Christ, I misread 11 pages as being only 1. 
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Effectronica posted:What on earth is this about? Is this a game of twenty questions? Because you're a quarter of the way through. I literally am asking you "can you explain this thing you said?" This thing: Effectronica posted:You're appearing to carry a grudge against a man who died in terrible agony almost two thousand years ago. About the only thing more pathetic, IMO, is lying about yourself to win politics arguments on the internet. I understand that you are trying to paint me as an edgy atheist who has a grudge against Jesus. But what is the bolded sentence a reference to? Is it completely random? Why did you mention it?
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CommieGIR posted:Could you counter his argument with something that isn't a handwave? What on earth is wrong with you? Calling someone pathetic isn't an "argument", you idiot. Bwee posted:What spells have you cast? Most recently, I called upon the minor Duke of Hell Lord Murmur for assistance in exorcising a troublesome ghost for a friend. Outside of the demonological arts, my most recent pursuits of the arcane have been in the realm of electronics, specifically in the application of Apuleius to logic gates.
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