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GlyphGryph posted:Yeah, this thread was started by a mary-worshipper, so even though you're not Christian, you're still good enough for this thread. (Renounce your blasphemy, renounce!) Why would you NOT want to worship Mary? Remember Descartes' meditations; something cannot create something more perfect that it itself is, therefore Mary is at least as perfect as God. QED: Mary is a god.
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BrandorKP posted:This what passes for atheism. What do you mean "passes for"? The only thing required to be an atheist is not believing in a god or gods. There is no other criteria or some sort of ideological purity test beyond that one thing. She can revere reason or whatever else so long as it isn't specifically a god. And don't give me any of that redefining god to mean anything held with respect bullshit either. E: Reread your post and adjusted my point a bit. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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VitalSigns posted:The OP literally made the Theological Argument From Letters On The Calendar and the famed Argument From How Poor And Stupid The Developing World Is, and it took you 14 pages to work out that's a troll? Kyrie makes these threads repeatedly, this is like the 5th one I've seen this year. Yes its a troll, its one that has worked countless times before. He's a really consistent troll though, have to give him points for that.
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Anime fans' disputes over whose fanfic is betterer tend to be a lot less violent though. Over-under posts until someone proves me wrong with links to massacres over whatever the Sailor Moon equivalent of the Monophysite Heresy is: 8
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Who What Now posted:What do you mean "passes for"? The only thing required to be an atheist is not believing in a god or gods. There is no other criteria or some sort of ideological purity test beyond that one thing. I'm not somehow beholden to her position or anything. Apparently Humanism/Athiesm is like a moth to a flame to him, you are getting to close to religion. Which is bull. 
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D1Sergo posted:Religious people have a lot in common with Anime fans. They get together each week to hear tales of heroes and villains and to discuss how those stories relate to their lives, they are inspired by their fandom to create art and literature exalting those stories and characters, and people find strength from being engaged with those stories and those communities that share those stories. Fascinatingly similar, religion and Anime. Comic books seem like a better equivalent. poo poo, you have just as many arguments about which stories actually happened and which have been retconned away as metaphorical/fear toxin-induced hallucinations. EDIT: Plus, both feature superpowered protagonists coming back from the dead.
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Technogeek posted:Comic books seem like a better equivalent. poo poo, you have just as many arguments about which stories actually happened and which have been retconned away as metaphorical/fear toxin-induced hallucinations. At least, at the end of the day, you can accept comic books are fictional accounts.
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Technogeek posted:Comic books seem like a better equivalent. poo poo, you have just as many arguments about which stories actually happened and which have been retconned away as metaphorical/fear toxin-induced hallucinations. Anime is just Japanese comic books that are moving.
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Who What Now posted:What do you mean "passes for"? The only thing required to be an atheist is not believing in a god or gods. There is no other criteria or some sort of ideological purity test beyond that one thing. She can revere reason or whatever else so long as it isn't specifically a god. And don't give me any of that redefining god to mean anything held with respect bullshit either. You atheists all secretly believe in God though, you just choose to worship Satan but won't admit it. But you all have the same atheist Bible that Stalin, Pol Pot, uh Al Capone, Attila the Hun, the Pope*, and Brigham Young followed when they ate Christian babies. *If Catholic audience, replace with Martin Luther
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VitalSigns posted:You atheists all secretly believe in God though, you just choose to worship Satan but won't admit it. But you all have the same atheist Bible that Stalin, Pol Pot, uh Al Capone, Attila the Hun, the Pope*, and Brigham Young followed when they ate Christian babies. Sagan is just one letter away from SATAN 
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VitalSigns posted:You atheists all secretly believe in God though, you just choose to worship Satan but won't admit it. But you all have the same atheist Bible that Stalin, Pol Pot, uh Al Capone, Attila the Hun, the Pope*, and Brigham Young followed when they ate Christian babies. Nah, Brandor thinks that God (Logos) is a set of magic words (Logos) and concepts (Logos) and his definition(Logos) of these words (Logos) and concepts (Logos) is so uselessly broad that literally everything someone (Logos) likes is their God (Logos) and also his God (Logos) and the ultimate God (Logos). I don't think he's concerned about Satan except concerning some peoples concept (Logos) of Satan (Logos).
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Has anyone ever seen Neil Degrasse Tyson and Beelzebub in the same room together? No? QED!
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DrProsek posted:Has anyone ever seen Neil Degrasse Tyson and Beelzebub in the same room together? No? QED! I have faith this is true!
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Nov 18, 2014 17:19
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DrProsek posted:Has anyone ever seen Neil Degrasse Tyson and Beelzebub in the same room together? No? QED! Does that make Dawkins his minion? I thought Satan was white, after all, we all know the true color of the angels is Caucasian 
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Nov 18, 2014 17:20
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CommieGIR posted:Does that make Dawkins his minion? I thought Satan was white, after all, we all know the true color of the angels is Caucasian You're right, Angels are normally Caucasian UNLESS God curses them! When they betrayed God, their skin blackened, just as those humans cursed with the Mark of Cain are also black!* *not racist
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Who What Now posted:Nah, Brandor thinks that God (Logos) is a set of magic words (Logos) and concepts (Logos) and his definition(Logos) of these words (Logos) and concepts (Logos) is so uselessly broad that literally everything someone (Logos) likes is their God (Logos) and also his God (Logos) and the ultimate God (Logos). I don't think he's concerned about Satan except concerning some peoples concept (Logos) of Satan (Logos). We all worship something.
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D1Sergo posted:Religious people have a lot in common with Anime fans. They get together each week to hear tales of heroes and villains and to discuss how those stories relate to their lives, they are inspired by their fandom to create art and literature exalting those stories and characters, and people find strength from being engaged with those stories and those communities that share those stories. Fascinatingly similar, religion and Anime.
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CommieGIR posted:The FFRF does a lot of good work. Yes but they aren't arguing for no God. They are arguing for an alternative understanding of God, while being utterly unaware that they are doing so. Atheists making soteriological statements is ironic. The craziest thing, their arguments are fantastically similiar to the arguments the apologists had to respond to (that religion undermines the state and is harmful superstitious mumbo jumbo nonsense). The same arguments that early Christians responded to with Logocentrism. CommieGIR posted:True, got me there. I looked it up and its defined as a Restorationist Christianity, which includes the Puritans and the Anabaptists. It comes out of the burnt over district (think mostly New York State along the Erie canal). But first wave feminism (eg. Stanton), many of the abolitionists, and a rather large chunk of the roots of progressivism come from there too. Ninjasaurus posted:Why can't we all just agree to embrace sweet sweet nihilism and hope (lol) that all of existence is negated sooner rather than later? Meh, that doesn't work either. It's a negation behind. There is a lot of theology already on the other side of that one, negation of the negation type stuff. Seriously don't get me started.
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BrandorKP posted:Yes but they aren't arguing for no God. They are arguing for an alternative understanding of God, while being utterly unaware that they are doing so. Atheists making soteriological statements is ironic. The craziest thing, their arguments are fantastically similiar to the arguments the apologists had to respond to (that religion undermines the state and is harmful superstitious mumbo jumbo nonsense). The same arguments that early Christians responded to with Logocentrism. Someone linked me to your previous threads. No explanation needed. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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Ah good to see we have turned into Reddit.
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Crowsbeak posted:Ah good to see we have turned into Reddit. Not enough Men's Rights arguments and Militant Atheism. Oh, and sleazy up-skirt shots and child porn defenders. We're missing key components.
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CommieGIR posted:.....what? This warrants further explanation. I wasn't kidding when I said Brandor uses a very broad definition of "god".
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Nov 18, 2014 17:53
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Who What Now posted:I wasn't kidding when I said Brandor uses a very broad definition of "god". Seriously broad. Like as in whitewashing broad.
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This is like the Christian equivalent of "Humans act, ergo Libertarianism is best, if you disagree you need to act in order to do so and therefore are agreeing with me".
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DrProsek posted:This is like the Christian equivalent of "Humans act, ergo Libertarianism is best, if you disagree you need to act in order to do so and therefore are agreeing with me". "Life is an argument in favor of God"
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CommieGIR posted:.....what? This warrants further explanation. Oh dear, you must have somehow missed all the previous threads in which Brandor expounds on his feverish theology. In short he has argued and, presumably, still argues that belief in anything at all eventually comes around back to belief in God because logoslogoslogosLOGOLOGOLOG-*collapses to the floor, frothing at the mouth and convulsing violently*
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Oh dear, you must have somehow missed all the previous threads in which Brandor expounds on his feverish theology, In short he has argued and, presumably, still argues that belief in anything at all eventually comes around back to belief in God because logoslogoslogosLOGOLOGOLOG-*collapses to the floor, frothing at the mouth and convulsing violently* Oh god, I take it all back, I don't want further explanation 
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VitalSigns posted:The OP literally made the Theological Argument From Letters On The Calendar and the famed Argument From How Poor And Stupid The Developing World Is, and it took you 14 pages to work out that's a troll? So I guess everyone but me figured it out right away (I've never seen the OP before) but still took the bait for 14 pages. Well done.
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Ninjasaurus posted:So I guess everyone but me figured it out right away (I've never seen the OP before) but still took the bait for 14 pages. Well done. Boredom makes fools of us all.
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Ninjasaurus posted:So I guess everyone but me figured it out right away (I've never seen the OP before) but still took the bait for 14 pages. Well done. Its something to do.
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DrProsek posted:This is like the Christian equivalent of "Humans act, ergo Libertarianism is best, if you disagree you need to act in order to do so and therefore are agreeing with me". That praxeology business came from somewhere.
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BrandorKP posted:That praxeology business came from somewhere. Libertarianism is funny, because it is actually MORE of a faith than an economic school of though (Buying into ideas without proof, taking systems of thought on faith, ignoring historical evidence). Ironically, Rationalwiki describes Praxeology best: quote:The Austrians seem to follow the maxim "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit." If you couldn't wade through all their econo-speak and arbitrary redefinitions of commonly used terms, however, they literally do the work for you and come straight out and say they just made everything up. Ludwig von Mises himself wrote of his theory: CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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DrProsek posted:Why would you NOT want to worship Mary? Remember Descartes' meditations; something cannot create something more perfect that it itself is, therefore Mary is at least as perfect as God. God is the supreme, perfect penis and Mary is His corresponding vagina and the resulting conception is a new life for all who believe. Catholicism is all about fertility worship. Have to keep producing new humans to serve the lower forces.
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BrandorKP posted:That praxeology business came from somewhere. Being the religious equivalent of libertarianism is not something to be proud of, you know.
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I had no idea that Hayek said that economic theology thing. That is crazy self aware from someone who played such a large role in conservative thought. e: rational wiki is really dorky Miltank fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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Who What Now posted:Being the religious equivalent of libertarianism is not something to be proud of, you know. The fact that Praxeology was brought up at all is telling. Miltank posted:e: rational wiki is really dorky Yes, it is. But the citation is not WRONG either. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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Practicing organized religion from thousands of years ago in 2014 is loving retarded and it deserves to be mocked and repudiated wherever it spreads.
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McDowell posted:God is the supreme, perfect penis and Mary is His corresponding vagina and the resulting conception is a new life for all who believe. Catholicism is all about fertility worship. Have to keep producing new humans to serve the lower forces. Pfft, look at this Protestant scrub, not realizing that Mary got pregnant just fine without needing any dick. Because she got pregnant through magic, she made Jesus herself and thus is more perfect than Jesus who is God. E: Vaall posted:Practicing organized religion from thousands of years ago in 2014 is loving retarded and it deserves to be mocked and repudiated wherever it spreads. Well mr smartypants, being atheist is way older than being Christian when you think about it, so why don't you get with the times and stop believing in a lack of a God in TYOOL 2014 hmm? burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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I'm sorry to disturb your important discussion about popery and who dipped his dick in Mary, but I have a question: Apparently Jews get into heaven for free, because they are the chosen people. So, can't I just circumvent all that Jesus stuff by converting to Judaism? Do converts also get a free ticket?
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Many people have sincere and deeply held faith, which drives them to do good works and act in compassionate and kind ways. People who volunteer their opinions on their faith are never among these. gently caress organized religion, everyone should come up with their own theology. Religion itself is fine, it's churches that are the problem. Not, like, the buildings obviously. Those are beautiful works of art.
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