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The Bee posted:Speaking of the Gurdy family, thoughts on the Gurdlings and Mama Gurdy? The former seem kinda annoying but weak enough to be not so troubling when they start filling floors on later levels, and I haven't encountered Mama enough to really make any assumptions. Gurdlings are horrible little jerks. I mean the actual fight with them isn't bad but they love to show up on later floors in really small rooms where its difficult to avoid their creep trails. Mama is a complete joke if you have flight and even if you don't not that dangerous provided there isn't so much poo poo surrounding your character that you can actually see the spikes. Gurdy Jr. is probably the worst of the bunch/
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Nov 19, 2014 07:47
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Gurdlings are a good way to gauge how well your run is going. By the time they start showing up as regular enemies, if you can take them down easily you're probably in good shape to finish strong. If you're still having trouble with them, you might be underpowered. EDIT: I had a lot more trouble with Gurdy in the original game and she's been made a bit more fair here. Her spread shot isn't as wide or as speedy so you can more reliably go around it rather than having to weave through, which was always the part that got me. (The old strat of "get behind her and fire down" never worked for me. I always ended up getting murdered by flies I couldn't see.) Rocketlex fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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So I just had my hard mode ??? run ruined by a room I'd never seen in Womb before. It featured narrow walkways lined with spikes, and in the middle of the room were 4 rotating eyeball turrets with a bunch of suckers. The only enemies in the room were a ton of mom hands which I couldn't see because of a darkness curse. You think that's enough bullshit for one room?
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Internet Kraken posted:So I just had my hard mode ??? run ruined by a room I'd never seen in Womb before. It featured narrow walkways lined with spikes, and in the middle of the room were 4 rotating eyeball turrets with a bunch of suckers. The only enemies in the room were a ton of mom hands which I couldn't see because of a darkness curse. I kinda feel like there are some rooms that are unique to hard mode. I had one in the Depths today that I haven't seen in like 100 normal runs. A one wide by two tall room with a big pit on the right side of it with "islands" of red Monstros on there that wouldn't jump, just shoot at you as you passed by.
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Nov 19, 2014 09:28
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The Bee posted:Anyone complaining about Dingle when Gurdy "No Telegraph No Animation Just Open Mouth and Ping-Pong Around Room" Jr. is in this game honestly confuses me. I'm not 100% sure of this, but I think Gurdy Jr. starts off by always spawning a minion before dashing. After he's down to half(?) his health, he drops the spawn act and dashes all the time. I think the red champions dash more often, though. I always found it rather easy to stay horizontally aligned with him while keeping my distance. When he dashes, step up/down and he'll keep bouncing horizontally, usually killing his spawn as well. Having more than one in a room makes everything terrible, though. Mind you, I'm not saying Gurdy Jr. isn't an annoying gently caress because he totally is. AnonSpore posted:
That is mad impressive, congrats man.  So what's your secret? Mad dodging skills or crazy overpowered items?
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Nov 19, 2014 09:30
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I made a Python script to read the log.txt that the game generates and dump just the RNG seeds, which characters you played as, and the pedestal items you picked up. I don't really know Python and haven't done programming in general in years so this is really sloppy but it works and it's an easy way to share your run with someone else. http://www.filedropper.com/isaaclogreader This includes the original script as well as a 32-bit .exe. You need to put it in your Rebirth save directory so it can find log.txt.
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Nov 19, 2014 09:38
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The wiki page for the goat head says " Gives the player a half of a heart every 13 grubs stepped on. " What the hell is a grub? Also to someone who said something earlier about devil rooms sometimes disappearing after leaving and sometimes not, I think they only stay open after you leave if you have the goat head. drunken officeparty fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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Nov 19, 2014 10:02
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drunken officeparty posted:The wiki page for the goat head says I noticed in a let's play that you can kill the tiny flies in the Caves. They're so small you think they're just part of the background. I've seen tiny grubs... just never tried squishing them.
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Nov 19, 2014 10:07
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drunken officeparty posted:Also to someone who said something earlier about devil rooms sometimes disappearing after leaving and sometimes not, I think they only stay open after you leave if you have the goat head.
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Nov 19, 2014 10:12
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Wugga posted:That is mad impressive, congrats man. Both, and 200+ deaths and at least five times as many resets.
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Nov 19, 2014 10:18
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I uhhhh. Wow. In the original game I never beat satan, ever. And I hadn't even tried here. But I get to mom's womb and there's a heaven gate. I ascended a beam of light, something I did not know could happen (was that possible pre wrath of the lamb?) There were angels and ghosts and after about fifteen bosses I beat heaven? Is that harder or easier than satan? I didn't get hit by the final boss once but I'm pretty sure I'd have gotten stomped to poo poo by giant goat hooves if I had gone the other way.
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Nov 19, 2014 10:42
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AnonSpore posted:Both, and 200+ deaths and at least five times as many resets. What's your reset strategy? I've been resetting if the first floor had a curse of darkness and if the first item room had a useless item. It doesn't have to be a great item, but if it's an HP up, on-hit effect, or item that hurts you when you use it, I just cut that run off immediately. Krinkle posted:I uhhhh. Wow. In the original game I never beat satan, ever. And I hadn't even tried here. But I get to mom's womb and there's a heaven gate. I ascended a beam of light, something I did not know could happen (was that possible pre wrath of the lamb?) There were angels and ghosts and after about fifteen bosses I beat heaven? Is that harder or easier than satan? I didn't get hit by the final boss once but I'm pretty sure I'd have gotten stomped to poo poo by giant goat hooves if I had gone the other way. That's confusing. The Cathedral certainly doesn't involve any giant goat hooves. Was the place you were in blue and white, or black? If it was black, that was Sheol and you did beat Satan. Congrats! Satan was easier in the first game, but is harder in this one. Anyway, once you've beaten Mom's Heart enough times you will always get an entrance to Sheol and an entrance to the Cathedral. It's possible you walked into the beam of light so fast that your momentum caused you to slide right into the trapdoor.
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Nov 19, 2014 10:47
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Ariong posted:That's confusing. The Cathedral certainly doesn't involve any giant goat hooves. Was the place you were in blue and white, or black? If it was black, that was Sheol and you did beat Satan. Congrats! Satan was easier in the first game, but is harder in this one. Anyway, once you've beaten Mom's Heart enough times you will always get an entrance to Sheol and an entrance to the Cathedral. It's possible you walked into the beam of light so fast that your momentum caused you to slide right into the trapdoor. Read it again. He's describing the Cathedral, and said if he had gone the other way (i.e. Down, instead of up the beam of light) he would have been killed by Satan (stomped by goat hooves). And yes Krinkle, all this was in the first game (at least, it was once the Wrath of the Lamb expansion came out).
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Ariong posted:What's your reset strategy? I've been resetting if the first floor had a curse of darkness and if the first item room had a useless item. It doesn't have to be a great item, but if it's an HP up, on-hit effect, or item that hurts you when you use it, I just cut that run off immediately. I just held down R until there was an item room connected to spawn, checked, only continued if the item was potentially game-winningly strong (mom's knife, mutant spider, holy mantle, pyromaniac, etc.). If there was a curse room connected to spawn I'd check that first, on the off chance I'd get dead cat/collar. Didn't care about curses for the first level, except Cellar XL which was a reset.
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Nov 19, 2014 11:13
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overall i'd say it's probably a little bit easier to snowball into something great in rebirth but there's also a lot of times where the game is more than happy to curbstomp you with no remorse. also the fun part is that there's nowhere else to go but up as far as difficulty goes because there's actually room for dlc stuff in the future without the game itself imploding.
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Nov 19, 2014 11:14
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checking the curse room for a dead cat only works if you get curse of the maze too because otherwise you'll die trying to exit the curse room and be put right back in there.
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Nov 19, 2014 11:19
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AHungryRobot posted:checking the curse room for a dead cat only works if you get curse of the maze too because otherwise you'll die trying to exit the curse room and be put right back in there. Actually, for some reason you die and respawn in the room the first death, but on the second death you respawn outside. I dunno why.
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Nov 19, 2014 11:25
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that's weird, because i'm definitely sure i've exhausted all my lives trying to get out of a curse after getting the dead cat in one.
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Nov 19, 2014 11:42
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i just tried and you're right, i spawned outside after dying once. what the gently caress.
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Nov 19, 2014 11:46
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Judas run just went mental with Guppy mode, Hive Mind, Holy Mantle and Sacred Heart on top of some pretty deece damage ups. The speed at which things die is just  Just rolled into It Lives, immediately activated my Book of Belial and it died instantly. As in, my finger hadn't even left the space bar yet, no shots fired, it just exploded. VF92 H6Y2 if anyone wants a try. There's a lot of Health and Luck Up pills in there as well. e: Destroyed Isaac before he could finish his Angel animation 
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Nov 19, 2014 12:11
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Did a victory lap and got the most broken build I've ever had or probably ever will have. That's Godhead, proptosis, Cricket's body, guppy, money is power, shielded tears, and a shitton of other damage/tear ups. I finished the boss rush in less than a minute just standing in the middle jiggling my stick left to right; the blue baby died before he actually got up from the ground. 
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Nov 19, 2014 12:17
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Does Brimstone synergize with Tech 2 at all? e: Nvm, wiki helped here. Brimstone just overwrites it, which is sad but no unexpected. Genocyber fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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Nov 19, 2014 12:47
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Magres posted:The trick to getting range on the hairball is to keep it swinging. You should always be moving in small circles to keep it fully extended, and swing it like a mace. Think of it like a ball and chain weapon - you gotta keep it swinging to keep it extended until the opportune moment and then slam it into whatever you're fighting. The video/gif will be tremendously helpful, and thank you for the advice. Thanks to everyone else who weighed in as well. This challenge is still incredible bullshit, but at least it feels doable now.
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Thank you RNG for cooperating with me so I could get the Satan/Dark Room unlocks for the Lost. I shouldn't have taken Experimental Treatment because it hurt my damage, but it didn't really matter because Lil Brimstome + the Candle + flies did most of the work.quote:Seed: NRGJ SXAF
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Nov 19, 2014 13:31
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Nastyman posted:Judas run just went mental with Guppy mode, Hive Mind, Holy Mantle and Sacred Heart on top of some pretty deece damage ups. The speed at which things die is just
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Nov 19, 2014 14:11
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Getting Curse of the Unknown in the Dark Room or Chest is probably one of the cruelest jokes this game can play on you. I had the Wafer protecting me in the Dark Room, but I honestly don't know how close I was to dying. That's not a side effect of the Breath of Life, is it? I picked it up for the first time in the Angel Room in Sheol thanks to a lucky Joker drop. Pisces is definitely MVP in that run. The extra knockback is enough to cancel a lot of monster charging attacks.
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I love reflexively grabbing the Polaroid and then remembering I was going for a Dark Room unlock. I wish the game would just let you keep going past Isaac/Satan regardless of which item you took if you have both of them unlocked.
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Nov 19, 2014 14:49
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If I pick up Dead Cat as ???, will I lose all my soul hearts but one?
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Nov 19, 2014 15:12
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Kurtofan posted:If I pick up Dead Cat as ???, will I lose all my soul hearts but one? Yes
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Wow so I just had a run that really revealed the limits of tear item synergies. First off I was using the scythes, then I picked up the shield tears which returned my tears to normal. They still retained the penetration effect of the scythes but the tears lost some radius and didn't look as good. It felt like a downgrade. Then to top this all off, I picked up technology, which just gave me the bog standard beam and completely removed the shielding effect! It was almost like a total reset except for a few damage ups. I was really hoping a couple of these items would go together.
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Nov 19, 2014 15:15
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I've got everything except Bandage Girl and the Hard Mode babies pretty much. Decide to try a Hard Mode Eden run. I start off with the white pony and the stopwatch. I thought the stopwatch was going to be a spacebar item but no, literally all enemies and their projectiles are in slow motion forever. I didn't get hit a single time on my way to Mom's Heart, that item is loving ridiculous.
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Nov 19, 2014 15:24
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Pwnstar posted:I've got everything except Bandage Girl and the Hard Mode babies pretty much. Decide to try a Hard Mode Eden run. I start off with the white pony and the stopwatch. I thought the stopwatch was going to be a spacebar item but no, literally all enemies and their projectiles are in slow motion forever. I didn't get hit a single time on my way to Mom's Heart, that item is loving ridiculous. Yeah but the thing is that the enemies it doesn't really work that well against are some of the hardest, especially if you're playing The Lost. That said yeah it is ludicrously powerful.
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Nov 19, 2014 16:04
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Genocyber posted:Does Brimstone synergize with Tech 2 at all? I forget which it is but you can use either Tech 1 or 0.5 with Brimstone, it'll just constantly fire as you charge.
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Nov 19, 2014 17:26
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Sanctum posted:Yeah nothing comes close to the insta-kill power of getting guppy + infestation II with BFF. The spider army tends to dwindle by the time you reach dark room, but if you are already in the 1-2 shotting bosses with mom's knife/brimstone territory you reach that criticality point where you are generating guppy flies faster then they are able to kill monstro II's. So you just continue amassing an ever-increasing number of flies that deal 3x your current damage value until you run into the boss and the game ends. Or mega-satan, but you'll never fight mega-satan on your most overpowered runs anyways because that requires taking lovely-rear end angel deals. What, exactly, does Guppy mode do anyway? I've never really paid attention to it except for the few times I've lucked into it. I know it adds flying and basically makes you a furry little killing machine, but what are the specifics?
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Nastyman posted:What, exactly, does Guppy mode do anyway? I've never really paid attention to it except for the few times I've lucked into it. I know it adds flying and basically makes you a furry little killing machine, but what are the specifics? Pretty sure it's just flying and a massively buffed version of The Mulligan, making nearly every shot that hits spawn an attack fly.
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dis astranagant posted:Pretty sure it's just flying and a massively buffed version of The Mulligan, making nearly every shot that hits spawn an attack fly. I think it might flat out be every fly upgrade packed into one because I always seem to have loads of them even if I've barely killed anything.
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Nov 19, 2014 17:41
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I finally got the Dead Cat with The Lost after what I estimate to be around 300 failed runs and/or resets, only to run into The Fallen as Depths 1 boss and be unable to outrun his charge. 
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Nov 19, 2014 18:26
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Well then. From a win streak of 8 to -5 in under 2 minutes. I love The Lost. e: wow imgur what are you doing to my colours?
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Got the D6  Pretty good run, Cathedral was made tense by curse of the unknown.
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