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tsa posted:Malcolm X was murdered as well, so I guess that disproves what he said about violent protest. So I guess not protesting at all is the only viable solution!
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My grandmother has told me stories about her parents cheering and celebrating when they found out MLK got murdered.
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Sorry for being that guy but can someone post the stream?
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Sorry for being that guy but can someone post the stream? Looks like LTDagger is done for the night but Vice has one up here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4fo-9d7PMo
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:Proponent of non-violent protest is a victim of violence? Heh, loving owned. Shows how much non-violent protest works, what a tard. It is really bizarre the way people here keep using his murder as a way to disprove his words.
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I can't keep this up because I have decided only to use my trolling for good, so I have to admit that post is a c/p of the ravings of a lunatic with severe anxiety and agoraphobia who gets welfare because of it and lives in subsidized housing south of Market St in San Francisco.
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tsa posted:Malcolm X was murdered as well, so I guess that disproves what he said about violent protest. Malcolm X was murdered by fellow (well at this point Malcolm X wasn't really a black nationalist, he broke ties with those guys) black nationalists due to some really hosed up inter-party politics. GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:Proponent of non-violent protest is a victim of violence? Heh, loving owned. Shows how much non-violent protest works, what a tard. I Dont Like You posted:"Now I wanted to say something about the fact that we have lived over these last two or three summers with agony and we have seen our cities going up in flames. And I would be the first to say that I am still committed to militant, powerful, massive, non-violence as the most potent weapon in grappling with the problem from a direct action point of view. I'm absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt. And I feel that we must always work with an effective, powerful weapon and method that brings about tangible results. But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity." MLK knew what was up irt to the effectiveness of non-violence.
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Keg posted:I can't keep this up because I have decided only to use my trolling for good, so I have to admit that post is a c/p of the ravings of a lunatic with severe anxiety and agoraphobia who gets welfare because of it and lives in subsidized housing south of Market St in San Francisco. Thank you for your discretion during these difficult times.
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Violet_Sky posted:Also, can someone Explain Like I'm Five on why did Zimmerman get acquitted, but Dunn did not? They both committed similar crimes. Why didn't the Grand Jury remember those two cases? There were no witnesses who saw the entire killing of Trayvon Martin; they only saw or heard bits and pieces, and none of it well. Zimmerman suffered some injuries and nobody witnessed the fight in any meaningful way, so he was easily able to claim that Martin had ambushed and beat him half to death. It helped that the police almost immediately released and didn't investigate him, as they believed him at face value rather than engaging in further investigation until enough unusual factors got brought up that a trial seemed like a good idea. On the other hand, Dunn walked up and fired into a vehicle full of innocent people in public. Everyone saw what happened and the only defense he had was a false claim of seeing a gun that was obviously easily disproven.
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nutranurse posted:Malcolm X was murdered by fellow black nationalists due to some really hosed up inter-party politics. makes u think
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My trolling is a tool for justice...but this isn't my troll.
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The residents of Ferguson's black majority are sharing their feelings (frustration, loss, fear, anger) with the white minority, they're just adopting alternative methods of communication since so far other methods haven't been productive in sparking dialogue.
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Nov 26, 2014 05:58
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tsa posted:makes u think Not really, the nation of islam sucks giant, sweaty cocks.
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nutranurse posted:MLK knew what was up irt to the effectiveness of non-violence. With an explanation that people who engage in riots aren't monsters while reiterating that he is a proponent of non-violent protest as the most powerful weapon disadvantaged people have.
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Nov 26, 2014 05:59
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:With an explanation that people who engage in riots aren't monsters while reiterating that he is a proponent of non-violent protest as the most powerful weapon disadvantaged people have. Exactly! I'm glad we see eye to eye here.
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Foma posted:Yes, I believe in democracy, I think the system we have going for it is good and solid, I think a lot of the problems we have are do to people not participating in those systems and being disenfranchised. if those plebes would just do things the proper way and elect the right tribunes then the republic would be fine and we wouldn't have to go through all this hiring thugs to murder tribunes and putting down periodic rebellions business
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Planned protests in the ilk of MLK and Ghandi and the spontaneous riots that erupt from them are two separate things. Protests are about hope, riots are about rage and, in the worst case, despair. The Ferguson case is a prime example of the impartiality of the legal system failing to overcome the incompetent racist hacks who infest it, and it's understandable that many are interpreting it as a signal that black people just don't have a legitimate avenue to justice. Violent outbursts have been a part of literally every progressive revolution and civil rights battle throughout history. You hear about the leaders who had the genius to channel that rage into something positive, but all of them were preceded by plenty of violence. Looting and violence sucks, and it doesn't progress a cause in a legitimate way. The same goes for Palestinian terrorism, guillotining shopkeepers, Mandela's call to arms for the ANC, and plenty of other terrible consequences of oppression. But here's a newsflash: oppression is going to engender lovely reactions. It's not the onus of the oppressed to reform the system, because they don't have the power to do so in a system that's designed to deny them a voice - it's the onus of the oppressor. And lol at the idea that we have a democracy that's "going well". We have a system of legalized bribery, and a handful of the people who've bought your so-called elected representatives (I'm looking at the Koch-brothers) are quasi-fascist racist fucks. Good luck voting your way to justice. Red Pyramid fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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FAUXTON posted:The residents of Ferguson's black majority are sharing their feelings (frustration, loss, fear, anger) with the white minority, they're just adopting alternative methods of communication since so far other methods haven't been productive in sparking dialogue. They just need to register to vote and remember one remember sentence MLK Jr said once.
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Nov 26, 2014 06:00
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nutranurse posted:Not really, the nation of islam sucks giant, sweaty cocks.
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nutranurse posted:Exactly! I'm glad we see eye to eye here. Maybe don't imply that him being a victim of violence has anything to do with his philosophy being wrong.
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tsa posted:Malcolm X was murdered as well, so I guess that disproves what he said about violent protest. I think the murders of MLK, Malcolm X, the kids in Mississippi and countless other during the Civil Rights Movement demonstrates the insolubility of the problem, not that one method or another is 'more effective'. In that sense, raging against the changes-at-molasses-pace society that kills you for grocery shopping if you have the wrong skin color is probably the only thing left to do, whether said rage is a positive influence or not.
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:Maybe don't imply that him being a victim of violence has anything to do with his philosophy being wrong, then. Maybe learn 2 read, bruh.
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nutranurse posted:Maybe learn 2 read, bruh. Sorry, you're absolutely doing that by responding to statements of his philosophy with "guy who got shot in his loving head"
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Red Pyramid posted:Planned protests in the ilk of MLK and Ghandi and the spontaneous riots that erupt from them are two separate things. Protests are about hope, riots are about rage and, in the worst case, despair. The Ferguson case is a prime example of the impartiality of the legal system failing to overcome the incompetent racist hacks who infest it, and it's understandable that many are interpreting it as a signal that black people just don't have a legitimate avenue to justice. Violent outbursts have been a part of literally every progressive revolution and civil rights battle throughout history. You hear about the leaders who had the genius to channel that rage into something positive, but all of them were preceded by plenty of violence. All the examples of oppression you listed make the oppression seen with Blacks in America seem miniscule. You honestly can't go comparing Apartheid with what's happening in America. That's just an insult to those who actually experienced the Apartheid.
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:Sorry, you're absolutely doing that by responding to statements of his philosophy with "guy who got shot in his loving head" No, but ok. 
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Nov 26, 2014 06:03
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mlk, noted underachiever,
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towelieban posted:All the examples of oppression you listed make the oppression seen with Blacks in America seem miniscule. You honestly can't go comparing Apartheid with what's happening in America. That's just an insult to those who actually experienced the Apartheid. Be reasonable, black americans, its only a little injustice.
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nutranurse posted:No, but ok. What is pointing that out supposed to mean, then?
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All the white middle-class nerds engaging in narcissistic displays of fashionable radicalism are doing so not merely against the explicit and strenuous requests of basically every Ferguson community leader, they're doing so in a way that is all but guaranteed to assist the establishment in cynically catalyzing reactionary white backlash and sweeping the injustice as the heart of all this under the rug. If you're one of those internet bystanders and are openly for rioting, you're de facto supporting the white supremacists. 
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:What is pointing that out supposed to mean, then? That despite his commitment to non-violence he still lost in the end because he died early and now gets to spin in his grave as we rollback the civil rights movement one dead black kid and supreme court decision at a time.
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All right so I can't pick up any streams tonight because I'm out in the boonies. All I can get is cnn. How's it looking tonight?
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I Dont Like You posted:They just need to register to vote and remember one remember sentence MLK Jr said once. They're keeping it in mind but for now I'm all for them adopting the language of the white minority, if not the message as well: Be afraid to come out of your house. Know your property can be taken from you without recourse and for no other reason than to set an example. You are not to be trusted.
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nutranurse posted:That despite his commitment to non-violence he still lost in the end because he died early I don't really think that follows. The movement he worked for wasn't going to be won or lost over his survival.
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The Insect Court posted:All the white middle-class nerds engaging in narcissistic displays of fashionable radicalism are doing so not merely against the explicit and strenuous requests of basically every Ferguson community leader, they're doing so in a way that is all but guaranteed to assist the establishment in cynically catalyzing reactionary white backlash and sweeping the injustice as the heart of all this under the rug. no u
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The Insect Court posted:All the white middle-class nerds engaging in narcissistic displays of fashionable radicalism are doing so not merely against the explicit and strenuous requests of basically every Ferguson community leader, they're doing so in a way that is all but guaranteed to assist the establishment in cynically catalyzing reactionary white backlash and sweeping the injustice as the heart of all this under the rug.
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towelieban posted:All the examples of oppression you listed make the oppression seen with Blacks in America seem miniscule. You honestly can't go comparing Apartheid with what's happening in America. That's just an insult to those who actually experienced the Apartheid. "Yeah, black people, you're disproportionately imprisoned, poor, and have a weird tendency to get shot by police with literally no consequences happening to your murderer, but we don't call it apartheid so why don't you just sack up and deal with it?"
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:Maybe don't imply that him being a victim of violence has anything to do with his philosophy being wrong. Okay - so if MLK's methods were so convincing, why did James Earl Ray decide to shoot him? Shouldn't MLK's words have soothed his trigger finger to sleep, so to speak? I find MLK's philosophy to be admirable & I find his speeches inspiring, but they did not heal the great racist gash in American society, and his death is a terrible tribute to that (as was the aftermath).
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The Insect Court posted:All the white middle-class nerds engaging in narcissistic displays of fashionable radicalism are doing so not merely against the explicit and strenuous requests of basically every Ferguson community leader, they're doing so in a way that is all but guaranteed to assist the establishment in cynically catalyzing reactionary white backlash and sweeping the injustice as the heart of all this under the rug. Not really sure what black people can do to not cause reactionary white backlash besides disappear from the face of the earth.
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