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The ruling for asnhod's coupon is that the errata isn't actually errata. It's printed on the card.Entropic posted:They forgot something. Look it up on Gatherer and check the rulings. Clearly it's a hint at ROE. Dr. Stab fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Entropic posted:Along the same lines: speaking of forgetting something: 
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Nov 26, 2014 16:24
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Elyv posted:speaking of forgetting something: What's wrong with Darksteel Relic? 
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Nov 26, 2014 16:26
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suicidesteve posted:Island Fish Jasconius. Fetchable with flooded strand and fulfils its own islandhome requirement! Hopping Ghost posted:This just makes me wonder what other cards/versions thereof might make fun additions in, I dunno, an R&D's Secret Lair Cube. A cube sort of like an inverse Judge's Tower, where every card is simply played exactly as printed to the best of players' ability. A pre-4th Edition Frozen Shade gets a whole lot better and obviously Ashnod's Coupon becomes the ultimate p1p1 windmill slam. Flip those promo 1/1 Human / 2/2 Wolf double-sided promo tokens with Moonist!
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Nov 26, 2014 16:27
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I just love all the overthought effects from back in the day. Target creature gets -*/-*. When that creature attacks, * is equal to the number of snow-covered lands defending player controls. At other times, * is equal to the number of snow-covered lands its controller controls. If this reduces the creature's toughness to less than 1, the creature's toughness is 1.  Cast only during combat before defense is chosen. At end of combat, destroy X target attacking creatures; X cannot be greater than the number of snow-covered lands you control. For each attacking creature, its controller may pay o1 or o2 to prevent it from being destroyed in this way. If that player pays o1, the creature neither deals nor receives damage in combat. If that player pays o2, the creature deals and receives damage in combat as normal. If they had printed Eye gouge in 1994 it would've had at least like 9 lines of text.
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Nov 26, 2014 16:30
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Irony Be My Shield posted:
This reminded me of the only card that uses chips instead of counters:  Also, for over explaining: 
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Nov 26, 2014 19:14
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Terrible Horse posted:This is basically just an enchantment though, and a pretty insane one. The point of walkers (besides being big splashy mythics that sell packs) is that they offer choices. You can kill your Jace Beleran to get some card advantage, or pump him up to dodge more removal, etc. It is, but its easier to kill than an enchantment since basically every color can kill a Planeswalker by just striking it. My favorite "weird loving text card" is either the errata of Animate Dead or Demonic Consultation, an uncommon from Ice Age. Mostly just because it has a ridiculous amount of text for an uncommon: Demonic Consultation was considered to be the other combo piece in Necro Black in Ice Age since it functionally is Demonic Tutor in instant for for B. It hasn't seen any play in decades in any format, probably because its restricted in Vintage and Banned in Legacy and would kill you in Commander. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Nov 26, 2014 19:23
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Angry Grimace posted:It is, but its easier to kill than an enchantment since basically every color can kill a Planeswalker by just striking it. I am sorely tempted to make a combo deck with 1 of everything, including 2 Tainted Pact, a Food Chain, and Misthollow Griffin.
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Nov 26, 2014 20:18
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Tonde Mo Nai posted:Also, for over explaining: So wait, because I lose -2/-1, that means my dude gets +2/+1, right?
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Nov 26, 2014 20:26
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Tonde Mo Nai posted:Also, for over explaining: What is the art even depicting here? "Whoops dropped my stick, guess I'm dead!"
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Nov 26, 2014 20:27
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Count Bleck posted:What is the art even depicting here? That dude with a stick? He used to be a bear.
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Nov 26, 2014 20:33
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Nov 26, 2014 20:41
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Elyv posted:oh are we doing artchat now There was a time when - and + counters could be basically anything. Force of Will was actually part of a cycle, the black one being: "You may pay 1 life and exile a black card from your hand rather than pay Contagion's mana cost. Distribute two -2/-1 counters among one or two target creatures."
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Nov 26, 2014 20:45
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Angry Grimace posted:There was a time when - and + counters could be basically anything. I'm aware, I was talking about the art. It looks like a bunny and an...imp? are dragging a blue thing in front of, uh, something and he's going to be forced to sign a contract. At least, that's my best interpretation.
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Nov 26, 2014 20:47
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Elyv posted:oh are we doing artchat now Does it make more sense if the card is called The Dark Judge? not especially. http://www.randyasplund.com/pages/fantpg/darkJudge.html quote:Many years ago I painted a picture for the game MAGIC: The Gathering, and it was originally given the working title "The Dark Judge." But the company released it with a card named "Ebon Praetor." The painting generated quite a buzz with people frequently asking me why there was a white bunny rabbit in the painting. My answer was that it was not a bunny rabbit at all, but a Pookah, a Celtic spirit/demon. You may have encountered such a creature in the movie Harvey, starring Jimmy Stewart. Eventually I was contacted by a gentleman who wished to purchas the original, but since I had already sold it I suggested that he might like a much more worked out version. This is the painting I made for him. It is what Ebon Praetor could have been if it had been a full scale work of art.
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Nov 26, 2014 20:50
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Cactrot posted:Does it make more sense if the card is called The Dark Judge? not especially. So the bunny that is not a bunny.
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Nov 26, 2014 20:55
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Elyv posted:I'm aware, I was talking about the art. It looks like a bunny and an...imp? are dragging a blue thing in front of, uh, something and he's going to be forced to sign a contract. I knew that, it just happens to be additional weirdness in early Magic. The card art is something else though. Its supposed to be like a rabbit demon or something last I heard.
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Nov 26, 2014 20:55
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Count Bleck posted:What is the art even depicting here? At least it's better than this art: 
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Nov 26, 2014 20:58
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I think most of the bad early magic art comes from them not knowing how to communicate intent with artists (see: lemures) and the lack of a huge artist pool to choose from. like wizard probably forgot to ask an artist to draw something and they tore through their tiny supply of art and said "gently caress it just put this on the card". When you don't have artist guidelines sometimes you get awesome quinton hoover art, sometimes you get torgo stickdropper and you don't have the time/money to replace the card art because it's "Good Enough" to print.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:12
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Well, also, the process of assembling 40~ talented artists pre-internet and organizing them to complete such a major project was probably not something they were prepared for, or even capable of handling well years in. Didn't they have multiple teams working across multiple projects to try to meet demand? That must have been an unbelievable headache to try to organize. I mean you just looked at a forest with weakness text and didn't even realize what you were seeing. Imagine that only in a printing sheet as you're desperately trying to crank out another set or explain to the printer how that is an error.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:19
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Spiderdrake posted:Imagine that only in a printing sheet as you're desperately trying to crank out another set or explain to the printer how that is an error. "You just printed a baseball card with the wrong player on it" alternatively "You didn't print it correctly so give us a refund" You don't have to explain why its an error, just that they didn't print what you asked. or is mass printing more esoteric than I thought?
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Nov 26, 2014 21:22
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Mortimer posted:wizard probably forgot to ask an artist to draw something and they tore through their tiny supply of art and said "gently caress it just put this on the card". When you don't have artist guidelines sometimes you get awesome quinton hoover art, sometimes you get torgo stickdropper and you don't have the time/money to replace the card art because it's "Good Enough" to print. Actually, the German versions just had issues with correct art. There's also a Drudge Skeletons with Swamp art, and a Forest with the art and frame of a Plains (or maybe vice versa). That one caused some issues with people using it deceptively in tournaments.
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Nov 26, 2014 21:30
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German Wald rules and I won't hear otherwise
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Nov 26, 2014 21:37
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On an unrelated note, what's with the Poultrygeist Returns stuff on Magic Online?
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Chamale posted:On an unrelated note, what's with the Poultrygeist Returns stuff on Magic Online? Bird-themed Sealed events. Contains one booster each of • Odyssey • Onslaught • Legions • Scourge • Eighth Edition • Vintage Masters • Khans of Tarkir They're phantom, though, so don't get too excited about getting a Stifle or anything. Schedule is: Vintage Masters and Legacy Cube run through December 9th, plus the Poultrygeist Sealed queue. December 10th - Modern Masters flashback drafts + the Holiday Cube go up (the Holiday Cube being the older one with Vintage legal cards in it). After that, its Mirage block drafts (which in theory sounds atrocious - the block is NOT set up for drafting unless I am really not recalling it right) and then Urza Block Drafts (yessss). Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Nov 26, 2014 23:11
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quote:My answer was that it was not a bunny rabbit at all, but a Pookah, a Celtic spirit/demon. You may have encountered such a creature in the movie Harvey, starring Jimmy Stewart. You know, I watched that movie, and I can't recall seeing a pookah.
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Nov 26, 2014 23:17
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Angry Grimace posted:After that, its Mirage block drafts (which in theory sounds atrocious - the block is NOT set up for drafting unless I am really not recalling it right) Mirage block is actually the first set where they designed it with limited in mind, so it actually does draft okay.
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Nov 26, 2014 23:20
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TheTofuShop posted:Mirage block is actually the first set where they designed it with limited in mind, so it actually does draft okay. Glancing at the set, this checks out as I don't see Pestilence at common.
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Nov 26, 2014 23:27
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TheTofuShop posted:Mirage block is actually the first set where they designed it with limited in mind, so it actually does draft okay. Mirage was, I think, the first set where they actually even thought about Limited as being a thing that people did, but I don't think they really had much idea what they were doing as far as designing or developing for Limited. It at least does things like "actually having enough creatures in each color at common" that other early sets didn't but it's not exactly a finely tuned environment.
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Nov 26, 2014 23:28
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Kalli posted:Glancing at the set, this checks out as I don't see Pestilence at common. Yeah, but Kaervek's Torch and Ray of Command are commons. Empyrial Armor is a common in the third pack. There are some filthy commons in that block.
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It's certainly no Innistrad or Rise of the Eldrazi, but it's no where near as bad as earlier formats are for limited. e: yeah, I know, it's a low bar. I remember drafting it back at release & the older dudes in the store going crazy over it. TheTofuShop fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Nov 26, 2014 23:41
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TheTofuShop posted:It's certainly no Innistrad or Rise of the Eldrazi, but it's no where near as bad as earlier formats are for limited. That is really, really not saying much. Look through a spoiler for Legends or something and pay attention to rarities and how many playable creatures and removal spells there are.
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Nov 26, 2014 23:44
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Mirage was the first block developed for limited, and as the first block developed for limited they made a lot of balancing mistakes. Kaervek's Torch, Ray of Command, and Empyrial Armor stand out.
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Nov 26, 2014 23:52
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I hate my friend so much. He walked into a pawn shop and found a mystery box of cards for $30 and grabbed it. First card in the stack he had to shoot me a text with a picture of from his car.... Behind it: Foil Unhinged Island..... He finally processed everything today and sent me the rundown. Two tundras, 1 trop, savannah, scrubland, badlands, and a plateau, 2 flooded strand, 1 mire, 1 heath (onslaught), a misty, arid, and a flats. There's so much other middle of the road poo poo too. The final value came in at somewhere around 2 grand, and he had another couple hundred worth of Yu-Gi-Oh and Vanguard that he sold already. Lucky bitch 
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Nov 27, 2014 00:03
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Entropic posted:That is really, really not saying much. Look through a spoiler for Legends or something and pay attention to rarities and how many playable creatures and removal spells there are. Triple Legends looks like a hell of a format. Literal Hell of can't reach 23 playables. Geez I just realized Disharmony predates Ray of Command. Also weird realizing by the rules it was printed under Feint double prevented all the damage from blockers.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:I hate my friend so much. He walked into a pawn shop and found a mystery box of cards for $30 and grabbed it.
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Nov 27, 2014 00:13
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BaronVonVaderham posted:I hate my friend so much. He walked into a pawn shop and found a mystery box of cards for $30 and grabbed it. First card in the stack he had to shoot me a text with a picture of from his car.... Ugh, so jealous. There's a popular hobby shop in Japan that bundles and resells mtg cards for cheap, but I suspect they're sifting out the money cards before repackaging. I've only gotten a Hymn to Tourach (Ring-Around-the-Tourach) and a Japanese Aura Shards. Everything else seems to be draft leavings. Just more chaff I can jam into PucaTrades because people like Japanese cards.
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Zombie #246 posted:Anyone else's group regularly get fundamental rules and timing issues wrong? When I was like 12 or 13 I was considered the guy to go to for rules questions (despite knowing barely anything, I guess I was better off than most of my peers.) I remember a kid tried arguing to me that the whole "if a card text would have it do something otherwise not allowed by the rules, the card takes precedence" clause meant "my guy [which does not have trample] has trample." I still haven't figured out how that one worked.
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My card that I have written trample on supercedes the rule that says you can't errata cards yourself with a sharpie.
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