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Rexicon1 posted:Just to be clear, everyone realizes kyrie is a troll right? I cant be the only one to notice it? I mean, I'm inclined to believe it, but it's hard to tell sometimes when it comes to fanaticism vs trolling. You'd think that ShockofGod or NephilimFree were trolls too, but nope, the truth is so much worse.
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SedanChair posted:No, it just sounds more moderate and is written in a less archaic, insufferable tone. it's equally batshit That you think Brandor sounds moderate shows that you have no idea what you're talking about
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Nov 27, 2014 15:47
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Miltank posted:That you think Brandor sounds moderate shows that you have no idea what you're talking about Unlike Kyrie, Brandor is at least willing to acknowledge that infinite torture for finite offenses is obscene, particularly when the best analogies Kyrie can come up with to justify it are child abuse.
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Nov 27, 2014 16:24
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Miltank posted:That you think Brandor sounds moderate shows that you have no idea what you're talking about Read words quote:No, it just sounds more moderate and is written in a less archaic, insufferable tone. it's equally batshit e: VVV "enjoyable" and "batshit" are far from mutually exclusive to me woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Nov 27, 2014 16:27
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I dunno, I've always enjoyed Brandor's posts, even if they sound pretty schizo. Metaphysics really isn't that offensive. I mean, obviously he takes it a bit far, but again, I just have to ask who the gently caress cares and why?Who What Now posted:Because it's a false equivocation, muddies the waters, and makes having an open and honest discussion about these things much harder, not easier. How can you have a meaningful talk with someone who can't even use a consistent definition within a single sentence much less a whole discussion? And just berating them over and over again is somehow more meaningful? CommieGIR posted:Truly, I guess we all showed up under the assumption that someone actually wanted to debate and discuss... I still find it really amusing that so many "rah rah science!" people have such a bone to pick with philosophy.
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Nov 27, 2014 16:33
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down with slavery posted:And just berating them over and over again is somehow more meaningful? When literally all else fails? Yes, absolutely and unequivocally. SedanChair posted:No, it just sounds more moderate and is written in a less archaic, insufferable tone. it's equally batshit Really Brandor just trades doctrinal stubbornness and hellfire with patronizing pseudointellectual babble. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Nov 27, 2014 17:01
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Brandor do you believe that there is One True God whose laws you must follow (or whose Son you have to say is super great I guess) to get into Heaven, or not? Do you believe that the Bible is written to help guide people to that salvation? If so, then why, as you claim, does the Bible have accounts of four different divine entities in the OT alone? Is the convert just supposed to guess which one is right? Are none of them real? Either you're full of poo poo or you're saying The Bible is full of poo poo. One makes you a liar, the other makes you a heathen (by pretty much all definitions execpt your own which no one besides you cares about).
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Who What Now posted:When literally all else fails? Yes, absolutely and unequivocally. All else fails? It's not that hard to be reasonable and just ignore obvious trolls instead of filling the thread with lovely one liners that read like /r/atheism comments There actually are interesting discussions to be had about religion and it's relationship with humanity and what BrandorKP is saying isn't as retarded as you're making it out to be. Why not go down the rabbit hole instead of just flinging poo poo? Example: paragon1 posted:Either you're full of poo poo or you're saying The Bible is full of poo poo. One makes you a liar, the other makes you a heathen (by pretty much all definitions execpt your own which no one besides you cares about). This is just an absurd position to take, he's actually not a raging fundamentalist (you know, those Christians you're so upset about), there's no reason to try to play "gotcha" with a guy as well versed as him. Bring something interesting to the table please. Who What Now posted:Really Brandor just trades doctrinal stubbornness and hellfire with patronizing pseudointellectual babble. It only sounds patronizing because of how dense you and a few other posters are so intent on being. I'd be patronizing the hell out of you morons too. It's debate and discussion, not a youtube video's comment section. down with slavery fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Nov 27, 2014 17:04
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down with slavery posted:All else fails? It's not that hard to be reasonable and just ignore obvious trolls instead of filling the thread with lovely one liners that read like /r/atheism comments What makes you think I haven't before? Do you honestly think this is the first time Brandor has brought these things up?
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Who What Now posted:What makes you think I haven't before? Do you honestly think this is the first time Brandor has brought these things up? No actually I know it isn't, I've debated with him in past threads and given that it's been a while since we had a religion thread, I think it's fair to you know, let him actually make his arguments without resorting to namecalling or bottom of the barrel one liners. He's not being a dick to anyone but he's just getting poo poo on repeatedly. And I know you might have a well thought out position regarding the whole thing, but when you drop stupid comments in here like it's GBS it just invites a whole new level of ignorant person who could actually learn something from reading a more nuanced explanation of religion.
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down with slavery posted:No actually I know it isn't, I've debated with him in past threads and given that it's been a while since we had a religion thread, I think it's fair to you know, let him actually make his arguments without resorting to namecalling or bottom of the barrel one liners. He's not being a dick to anyone but he's just getting poo poo on repeatedly. And I know you might have a well thought out position regarding the whole thing, but when you drop stupid comments in here like it's GBS it just invites a whole new level of ignorant person who could actually learn something from reading a more nuanced explanation of religion. Brandor's position isn't actually nuanced, though, and there's nothing meaningful to be learned from him. You're simply confusing verbosity for substance. Here, hurrrr2 posted this analogy that I think sums this all up very well. quote:A better analogy would be if someone walks into a championship tournament, says "GEE I THINK I MAY HAVE TRANSCENDED THE UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF YOU GRANDMASTERS HERE, WANT TO JOIN MY NEW SCHOOL OF CHESS STRATEGY?", then loses by scholar's mate twice in the first round. You are the new entrant at the end of the story.
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paragon1 posted:Brandor do you believe that there is One True God whose laws you must follow (or whose Son you have to say is super great I guess) to get into Heaven, or not? Do you believe that the Bible is written to help guide people to that salvation? You don't really know much about christianity huh?
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Nov 27, 2014 17:38
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Miltank posted:You don't really know much about christianity huh? I know quite a lot about it actually. You really don't get to claim to be Christian and tell everyone else that they should be Christian too when you're beliefs don't match anything that is remotely recognizable as Christianity to anyone else. paragon1 fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Nov 27, 2014 17:45
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It just seems from your posts like you think biblical literalism is a central tenant of Christianity or something.
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Nov 27, 2014 17:54
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Miltank posted:It just seems from your posts like you think biblical literalism is a central tenant of Christianity or something. To some Christians it absolutely is.
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Nov 27, 2014 18:01
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down with slavery posted:All else fails? It's not that hard to be reasonable and just ignore obvious trolls instead of filling the thread with lovely one liners that read like /r/atheism comments But "religious discussion" without real challenges is just sniffing one another's buttholes. I'm reminded of this old debate about Life of Brian with the Monty Python cast, Malcolm Muggeridge and some hilarious flaming priest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeKWVuye1YE The religious guys aren't on their level, at all. They're talking nonsense. This used to be the kind of discourse society tolerated.
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Who What Now posted:To some Christians it absolutely is. Yes, especially in the US. I consider the Evangelical position on biblical inerrancy to be idolatrous fwiw.
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Miltank posted:Yes, especially in the US. I consider the Evangelical position on biblical inerrancy to be idolatrous fwiw. Ok, believe it's idolatrous all you want, but don't act as if it's a position that no Christians hold.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtfYfYs0WQ This Thanksgiving, I am thankful for my life. I am thankful for my family, and I am thankful for my friends. I am thankful for the wisdom and knowledge I have been granted. I am thankful for the fun times and the loves I have experienced. I am thankful for the comfort and warmth and security of my home, lest I live on the street like my neighbors. I am thankful for my gainful employment, and I desire to show this thanks to my employer and to my colleagues. I am thankful for the ready availability of good food, clean water, and medical assistance. I am thankful that I do not have to regularly fear violence and physical oppression. I am thankful for my nation, its good people, and its just laws; I am thankful for the Church, that it continue to guide our species towards sainthood. I am thankful for all of the people of the world, who have made my life rich with experience, and showed me the commonality of all people, that within them all at their burning center is you, you O Lord, that you are the only thing that makes a man just and good, the only thing that makes a man turn away from sin. I am thankful for your sacrifice in Christ Jesus. I am thankful for his resurrection. I am thankful to know you, Lord; this above all, I am thankful for you. In Jesus' name I pray, amen.
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Who What Now posted:Ok, believe it's idolatrous all you want, but don't act as if it's a position that no Christians hold. I never did.
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Nov 27, 2014 18:40
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Kyrie eleison posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtfYfYs0WQ scuse me ive been informed that youre trolling so im not gonna respond to you anymore
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Nov 27, 2014 18:40
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Kyrie isn't a troll he just believes in things that troll other people
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Nov 27, 2014 18:42
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Miltank posted:Kyrie isn't a troll he just believes in things that troll other people well now im pretty sure your trollin so i dont think
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Nov 27, 2014 18:45
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I generally do not troll in DnD.
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Nov 27, 2014 18:46
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Miltank posted:I never did. Yes you did, right here on this very page. Miltank posted:It just seems from your posts like you think biblical literalism is a central tenant of Christianity or something.
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Nov 27, 2014 18:55
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Who What Now posted:Yes you did, right here on this very page. A central tenant of Christianity would be something like the trinity. Biblical inerrancy is not a core tenant of Christianity proper, although it IS a core part of Evangelical Christianity.
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Miltank posted:A central tenant of Christianity would be something like the trinity. Biblical inerrancy is not a core tenant of Christianity proper, although it IS a core part of Evangelical Christianity. quote:Modern nontrinitarian Christian groups or denominations include Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dawn Bible Students, Friends General Conference, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God, International and the United Church of God. That sure is a lot of Christians that don't believe that the trinity is a central tenant. So by your logic, it isn't!
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It is technically the position of the Church that the Bible is "inerrant". We are not likely to back away from this line. We will acknowledge that the firmament does not actually exist, but we will still consider the Bible inerrant. I view the firmament as an (intentionally) poetic thing, and sometimes when I am outside I like to look at the sky and imagine the firmament holding back the cosmic waters.
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Who What Now posted:That sure is a lot of Christians that don't believe that the trinity is a central tenant. So by your logic, it isn't! If you go back and look at the conversation that you are interrupting you'll see that it is about what is generally accepted to be true by the Christian community. The doctrine of the Trinity and the Council of Nicaea are where you will find this consensus to be. I don't really know what you think you are arguing with me about to be honest. e:^ yeah you are right, I should have stuck with "historically literal" or something. Point is, the bible isn't meant to be read like a textbook. Miltank fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Rexicon1 posted:Just to be clear, everyone realizes kyrie is a troll right? I cant be the only one to notice it? Captain_Maclaine posted:If I remember right from the last thread, Kyrie's gay/attracted to other men (however you choose to define it) but consider that it's wrong to follow through on such attraction and thus believe God requires him to live a life of separation and abstinence. Kyrie: God is not an rear end in a top hat, stop denying yourself, be who you really are.
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Miltank posted:First of all, lol at Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses being Christians. lol, you actually think you have the ability to dictate who is or is not a Christian. That is just so precious.
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Nov 27, 2014 19:33
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Only internet atheists can tell if someone is a real Christian or not.
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It blows my mind that Mormons call themselves Christians and people actually buy it. It would be like if Muslims called themselves Mohammed Jews and everyone just went along with it (besides the actual Jews who would be like "wtf?!")
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Anyone who calls themselves a Christian is a Christian. drat, that was hard.
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Believes in Jesus (not Isa) = Christian
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No, that's wrong. e: you are both incorrect.
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Miltank posted:No, that's wrong. Yes, it's right. e: we are both correct Who What Now fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Miltank posted:No, that's wrong. Why don't you actually explain what you think is required to be a Christian?
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Miltank posted:It blows my mind that Mormons call themselves Christians and people actually buy it. It would be like if Muslims called themselves Mohammed Jews and everyone just went along with it (besides the actual Jews who would be like "wtf?!") An interesting note about this: unlike Christians, who view themselves as the Israelites, the spiritual successor to the ancient Israelites of the Bible... the Muslims consider themselves Ishmaelites, and think of the Israelites as the Jews, and as a disloyal tribe to God. Ishmael is a son of Abraham, and Israel is Abraham's grandson. They view the Genesis talk as origin stories for the races of mankind, with the Israelites being a genetic lineage (Jews), and the Ishmaelites being a genetic lineage (Arabs); Muhammad is held to be a descendant of Ishmael. The whole Muslim thing is like, "The Israelites distorted the true Abrahamic word, but we, the Ishmaelites, have the real deal." This is also why they do not include the Old Testament in their Scriptures, and view it as corrupted. The reason Muslims like Jesus is that he was basically giving the Israelites trouble by teaching the "true" Abrahamic faith.
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