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Empire is great because it doesn't have to start anything or bring anything to a close. It gets to be the middle chapter where poo poo goes down and everything ends all hosed up and is awesome.
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Leo Showers posted:It feels like Empire got some really great writing and stuff and the they let it slip for RotJ because they were doing so well and somehow felt like they couldn't do anything wrong perhaps. As 'just okay' as the rest of the movie is I can't rank RotJ any lower than 'really good' because of the whole Throne Room part. It'd so drat good.
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Nov 29, 2014 02:53
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LesterGroans posted:As 'just okay' as the rest of the movie is I can't rank RotJ any lower than 'really good' because of the whole Throne Room part. It'd so drat good. Yeah sure, it has it's redeeming parts and the space battle looks really cool but that whole ewok poo poo is just plain weird, like somehow no-one thought that it was a weak part of the story and just  because they could fall too far.
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Nov 29, 2014 02:55
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Leo Showers posted:It feels like Empire got some really great writing and stuff and the they let it slip for RotJ because they were doing so well and somehow felt like they couldn't do anything wrong perhaps.
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Nov 29, 2014 02:56
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so the moral of the story is that lucas not having a ton of input is really good for star wars.
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Nov 29, 2014 02:57
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Leo Showers posted:It feels like Empire got some really great writing and stuff and the they let it slip for RotJ because they were doing so well and somehow felt like they couldn't do anything wrong perhaps. Empire's writing isn't really any better or worse than the other movies. The sexual tension between Han and Leia is just naturally conducive to interesting dialogue and memorable line readings. It's essentially a screwball comedy set in space. But in Return of the Jedi, Han and Leia's romantic tension is already mostly resolved, so that compelling dynamic is gone. Some people point to the writing during the Dagobah scenes as being exceptional, but really it's just vague fortune cookie stuff. More than anything else, Frank Oz should get the credit for selling those lines.
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Nov 29, 2014 02:59
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Powered Descent posted:But doesn't that boil down to "the exceptional one is also the least typical one"? Because, well, yes, that's what makes it exceptional. The tallest building in a city is far above the average building height; that's what makes it tallest. Empire is the movie that fans use to justify themselves to non Star Wars fans since you get a bit of that Shakespearean/classical Drama stuff. The original is the most influential and is by far my favorite one. But honestly, I can enjoy any of them (even AOTC, man that one was terrible.)
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Nov 29, 2014 03:01
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Leo Showers posted:so the moral of the story is that lucas not having a ton of input is really good for star wars.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:04
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woah the dagobah scenes were good??
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Nov 29, 2014 03:05
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I just watched the trailer and I've got mixed feelings. It's cool to see a Stormtrooper without his helmet, since that means we might get a look at a conflict from their perspective. But the color grading on the part where the woman takes the speeder is almost Transformers bad. And speaking of color grading, the instagram filter on the X-wing scene looks really dated. The ending scene with the Falcon mostly looked good, but I don't understand why there was a haze on Tattooine's horizon. If you want to distort the distance it makes more sense to do it with the wavy air like they did in the original trilogy (maybe the prequels too, I never saw them). It really made me feel how hot the desert was.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:05
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Tezzeract posted:The original is the most influential and is by far my favorite one. But honestly, I can enjoy any of them (even AOTC, man that one was terrible.) 12-year old me could recognize that Attack of the Clones was a terrible movie, because holy poo poo that's a bad movie.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:07
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Sombrerotron posted:Most likely the difference between ESB and RotJ is due in no small measure to Lucas having been burned out from making ANH and (presuambly) leaving much more in the hands of Irvin Kershner and Lawrence Kasdan than he might've otherwise. Lucas' influence on RotJ was much greater and more direct, as I understand it. If Lucas had been fully in charge of ESB, for example, it's doubtful that Harrison Ford's exasperated "I know" in response to the Xth time Carrie Fisher recited the "I love you" line to him would've made it into the final cut. Well, technically, he was fully in charge on ESB. It was his money making the movie, after all. He just chose to defer to Kershner because he respected and trusted him. And because, like you said, he was burnt out from ANH (as I recall he almost had a heart attack because of the stress from making the first movie). But he actually did step in when it came to Ford's improv line. Like you suspected, he was afraid the audience would find it too funny, and that it would defuse the tension of the scene. But he was mollified by the test audience's reaction. Given his penchant for interjecting humor in the middle of serious scenes in the prequels, I'd say he probably learned from that experience. So, obviously, we should blame Harrison Ford and Irvin Kershner for the eopie farting in Jar Jar's face in Episode I.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:09
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Cnut the Great posted:Star Wars fans don't like Star Wars because they constantly complain about all the things that make Star Wars unique: silly names, goofy-looking creatures, indulgent special effects set pieces, hokey dialogue, abbreviated character development, etc. No, that's been the general gist of it. He makes another point about video games that I think would also apply to Star Wars - nerds don't enjoy playing games/watching the movies, they enjoy anticipating the games/movies.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:10
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Gonz posted:With the deaths of Vader and Palpatine, there's a power vacuum that's going to want to be filled by every Moff in the fleet. Well maybe they can all talk it out in a Mofference, on their Moffship.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:11
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computer parts posted:No, that's been the general gist of it. There is a lot of zombie-ism or cannibalism in a sense. Either they turn on the product or each other at some point. Comic book fans are similar.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:12
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I've watched the teaser trailer four times today and each time I get goosebumps and smile like an idiot at the end. I usually watch one or two trailers and then ignore everything else about a movie's marketing once I know I want to see it, but so help me I won't be able to not absorb everything about this poo poo before it comes out. Gonna be a long year.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:12
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cptn_dr posted:Well maybe they can all talk it out in a Mofference, on their Moffship. The EU is probably one of the best resources for terrible fiction in any genre.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:12
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Instead of space wizard knight grand war can I get a Hard Boiled detective movie set in the Star Wars universe of a female adventurer detective trying to solve a mysterious murder of some elite along with her cyborg buddy and the bad guy turns out to be a Sith assassin? The setting is pretty cool but tell a different sort of story.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:13
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Cnut the Great posted:Well, technically, he was fully in charge on ESB. It was his money making the movie, after all. He just chose to defer to Kershner because he respected and trusted him. And because, like you said, he was burnt out from ANH (as I recall he almost had a heart attack because of the stress from making the first movie).
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Nov 29, 2014 03:14
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Gatts posted:Instead of space wizard knight grand war can I get a Hard Boiled detective movie set in the Star Wars universe of a female adventurer detective trying to solve a mysterious murder of some elite along with her cyborg buddy and the bad guy turns out to be a Sith assassin? The setting is pretty cool but tell a different sort of story. Pretty sure that's the sort of thing we'll be getting with the side movies. And if it's not, someone's making a really loving bad decision.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:15
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420DD Butts posted:The EU is probably one of the best resources for terrible fiction in any genre. You have to wonder why Star Trek 'EU' isn't bigger and what manner of bizareness they hold.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:16
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computer parts posted:No, that's been the general gist of it. Well in that case nerds are idiots
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Nov 29, 2014 03:21
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Powered Descent posted:So then, I drew this years ago: 
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Nov 29, 2014 03:23
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Gatts posted:Instead of space wizard knight grand war can I get a Hard Boiled detective movie set in the Star Wars universe of a female adventurer detective trying to solve a mysterious murder of some elite along with her cyborg buddy and the bad guy turns out to be a Sith assassin? The setting is pretty cool but tell a different sort of story. Yeah I think this is why I'm liking Rebels so much. It's still Star Wars but it's not OMG the universe revolves around THIS PARTICULAR conflict type stuff. Also why I am really hoping the rumors that the old cast are only in the new movie long enough to pass the torch to the new people are true, because the setting is huge and doesn't need to fall into the EU trap of having everything being about Luke, Han, Leia or R2.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:23
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Powered Descent posted:So then, So what you're basically saying is...Gunblade. Go full Final Fantasy.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:24
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Gatts posted:So what you're basically saying is...Gunblade. Go full Final Fantasy. I imagine a lightsaber that shoots lasers out of the bottom of the hilt like a roman candle.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:25
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The MSJ posted:You have to wonder why Star Trek 'EU' isn't bigger and what manner of bizareness they hold. Because there's never been a concept of a single canonical 'EU' in Trek. Every novel(ist) is independent and they may work with what's been established in the actual canon, but almost never by each other. They all gleefully contradict each other and introduce characters, planets and events that no one else ever touches. And then a new movie comes out and contradicts all of them. But just like the Star Wars EU, they range from "that was a surprisingly good read" to "that was a soul-crushingly bad book".
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Nov 29, 2014 03:26
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I got to pg 278, where people were complaining about the trailer music (which sounds hugely like a very memorable section from ROTJ and composed by John Williams) sounds like "modern tuneless stuff" and stopped reading. Haha, these reactions are wonderful.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:26
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Gatts posted:So what you're basically saying is...Gunblade. Go full Final Fantasy. Actually it would probably work like this. Only with lasers instead of extending. 
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Nov 29, 2014 03:26
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hhhat posted:Different colors because electrum you mean. Electrum is just the plating on the saber hilt. Blade color is determined by crystal.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:27
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WarLocke posted:Actually it would probably work like this. Only with lasers instead of extending. So what you're basically saying is...staff weapons from Stargate. Gunblades, Staff Weapons, laser shooting crossbows...this gets better.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:29
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The MSJ posted:You have to wonder why Star Trek 'EU' isn't bigger and what manner of bizareness they hold. Well when your franchise has like 12 movies and 8 TV shows its all basically terrible EU to begin with
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Nov 29, 2014 03:33
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Gatts posted:There is a lot of zombie-ism or cannibalism in a sense. Either they turn on the product or each other at some point. Comic book fans are similar. Nerds want to see the properties they enjoy executed well. The prequels and many things Star Wars are executed poorly, hence the ire. I'm a Star Wars fan (though I don't like the EU stuff aside from Shadows of the Empire, so maybe I'm not allowed to be) and I like about half the actual running time of the prequels combined and I dig the new trailer. I think Avengers will continue to be, and these new Star Wars movies will be examples of franchises that treat their source material well and turn it into awesome movies that appease most nerds and fans.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:36
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There's a lot of people out there who are just bad at enjoying things.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:41
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I'm trying to figure out how/why that lightsaber looked so different. Almost like it had the physical properties of fire and electricity instead of just "laser sword". It's an interesting effect and I'm curious where it'll go.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:45
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Despite having watched the teaser about 12 times now...I just bought movie tickets just so I can go see it on the big screen.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:47
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Sasquatch! posted:I'm trying to figure out how/why that lightsaber looked so different. Almost like it had the physical properties of fire and electricity instead of just "laser sword". It's an interesting effect and I'm curious where it'll go. Basically it ate Taco Bell, got poisoning and is spitting saber fire out of every orfice.
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jivjov posted:Despite having watched the teaser about 12 times now...I just bought movie tickets just so I can go see it on the big screen. it doesn't come out for like a year dude
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Bongo Bill posted:There's a lot of people out there who are just bad at enjoying things. Pretty much. Maybe it's because I am nearing 32 and I am tired of pedantry, but I don't give a poo poo that the cross guard isn't a solid beam of light versus an emitter that could get chopped off (or not, we haven't dealt with materials that don't get cut by light sabers in the films thank god), I want a fun movie, and if it can play claysaber straight without making it look dumb in use on film, I am sold. People getting hung up on that saber are the same assholes who freak out about the quantum theory of love in Interstellar. It's more or less a metaphor you shits. Or people who think using the parent/child relationship in films is a shortcut for emotional depth- they are literal children because they can't conceptualize that having and protecting kids is literally one of the primal driving forces of our species. In conclusion I am excited about Star Wars for the first time in like 9 years so I have hope that JJ will deliver. Also I couldn't bring myself to get butthurt over Into Darkness so feel free to disregard my opinion.
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jivjov posted:Electrum is just the plating on the saber hilt. Blade color is determined by crystal. It's an electrum lightsaber. That is why purple. Electrum. ^^^ I rather enjoyed Into Darkness. Wasn't as fantastic as the first one but very enjoyable. Saw it twice even. Your opinion is now validated.
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