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DACK FAYDEN posted:I really regret killing small-Gemini first. If it wasn't for that, no Cellar! If I had only remembered Cellar existed, I'd somehow managed to block it out entirely. You think that's bad? I just accidentally unlocked Conquest!
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Conquest is a really cool boss so why would you not want to fight him?
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Dec 1, 2014 21:08
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I'm fairly certain that in one of my games (I have this on PC and Vita), I unlocked the Cellar by accidentally killing small Gemini in the boss rush room when I was super overpowered and killing things without any control over what died when.
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Dec 1, 2014 21:09
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IronicDongz posted:I always do Cellar because the music rules It's also not nearly as bad as anyone makes it out to be. It's a little harder, but if you can reliably get to Mom's Heart it shouldn't be a problem for one to get through there.
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Dec 1, 2014 21:09
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IGgy IGsen posted:It's also not nearly as bad as anyone makes it out to be. It's a little harder, but if you can reliably get to Mom's Heart it shouldn't be a problem for one to get through there. (yes I know that's probably below the celler)
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Dec 1, 2014 21:13
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When you're likely to have no damage boosts dealing with 8 large spiders or multiple spider spawners isn't very fun.
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Dec 1, 2014 21:14
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The cellar is slightly harder, but it makes up for it by having much better music.
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Dec 1, 2014 21:19
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Internet Kraken posted:Conquest is a really cool boss so why would you not want to fight him? Because he counts as a Horseman but doesn't give a cube of meat or ball of bandages. Basically, he can screw you out of a level 4 Meat Boy or Bandage Girl. And usually by the time you get to him, the white pony is not a good item to be taking.
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Dec 1, 2014 21:25
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I really regret killing small-Gemini first. If it wasn't for that, no Cellar! If I had only remembered Cellar existed, I'd somehow managed to block it out entirely. I unlocked many things that I regret some before doing my Lost runs. But none so much as the Cellar.  Never again (until the expansion probably...)
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Dec 1, 2014 21:26
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BJPaskoff posted:I'm fairly certain that in one of my games (I have this on PC and Vita), I unlocked the Cellar by accidentally killing small Gemini in the boss rush room when I was super overpowered and killing things without any control over what died when. Yeah, you can definitely do it on the boss rush. That's how I got it as well. Guess the check is just if its gemini during a boss fight and not a regular room spawn in the chest or whatever.
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Dec 1, 2014 21:27
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President Ark posted:The cellar is slightly harder, but it makes up for it by having much better music. I love the contrast in the Cellar and Basement themes. Basement sounds like the start of a fun adventure, while Cellar is like "welcome to hell. You are hosed".
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Dec 1, 2014 21:34
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Lowen SoDium posted:Because he counts as a Horseman but doesn't give a cube of meat or ball of bandages. Basically, he can screw you out of a level 4 Meat Boy or Bandage Girl. Flight is the most useful thing until you get to the post-Mom's Heart levels and nearly irrelevant afterwards except for avoiding damage from enemy creep. The White Pony would be such a good item if it had more than one floor of relevance.
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Dec 1, 2014 21:34
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I just lost 6 cats in one room to those assholes in the womb who pop up under your feet without warning. As soon as I killed one the others charged. 
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Dec 1, 2014 21:56
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BJPaskoff posted:Flight is the most useful thing until you get to the post-Mom's Heart levels and nearly irrelevant afterwards except for avoiding damage from enemy creep. The White Pony would be such a good item if it had more than one floor of relevance. The White pony wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't a spacebar item or if the active effect was more powerful or useful. Heck, even if Conquest gave you a choice between the White Pony and a meat cube, he wouldn't be so bad.
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Dec 1, 2014 21:56
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Both Ponies should just be a two room charge honestly. And Crack in the Sky itself should be one.
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Dec 1, 2014 22:02
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The charge should do something like this 
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Dec 1, 2014 22:10
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Flight is always good if you don't have it from another source. Enemy creep is a huge problem in some room layouts when you've got a bunch of creep spawning assholes running around leaving trails behind them. It doesn't happen much in Sheol/Cathedral, but there are definitely layouts in the Chest/Dark Room that are much harder if you take damage from creep. The on demand invincibility charge is also good in a pinch, though it does take far too long to charge. As for the cube of meat problem, I've never even seen 4 horsemen in one game 
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Dec 1, 2014 22:13
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That cursed tear shot that teleports you when you take damage has got to be the shittiest, most irritating game mechanic I've ever encountered.
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Dec 1, 2014 22:22
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I just had a run last night where I got a first floor Book of Revelations, used it every chance I got, and only saw one horseman. How does that happen? Doesn't using it guarantee a horseman? There was some unsubstantiated rumor late in Isaac's life that using the Book of Revs an even number of times on a floor would negate the "there must be a horseman" effect, maybe that's what happened? I have no clue, I was pissed because the Ball of Bandages achievement is one of the only non-Lost ones I'm missing.
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Dec 1, 2014 22:49
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BJPaskoff posted:I just had a run last night where I got a first floor Book of Revelations, used it every chance I got, and only saw one horseman. How does that happen? Doesn't using it guarantee a horseman? I know it won't give you a Horseman if the boss room was a double boss room, and it won't work on an XL floor. Beyond that, I don't know if it only increases the chance of a horseman or what.
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Dec 1, 2014 22:54
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Do you unlock any items from beating the game (mom/'s heart/whatever) on hard mode or just regular things you'd get from beating them?Literal Nazi Furry posted:+tears does increase his charge rate but no matter what, soy milk is really not worth it with brimstone. Yeah I wasn't sure what it did at the time. The head trauma challenge sucks because of it, too; Standing around and slooooowlly chipping dudes down sucks. IronicDongz posted:I always do Cellar because the music rules Cellar's got my favorite music in the game, I'd use it for every stage if I could. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Dec 1, 2014 |
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Dec 1, 2014 23:02
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chippy posted:That cursed tear shot that teleports you when you take damage has got to be the shittiest, most irritating game mechanic I've ever encountered. It can be pretty good on the lost!  Conquest is a bad boss because there is no way to be absolutely safe from the light beams if the game feels like hitting you with one, it would also be nice if options gave you a meat cube/bandage ball as the second option from him instead of just random boss item. Also I just finished off the lost unlocks, I'm pretty sure all of the successful runs ended up being guppy, the boss rush (which was my last thing to do) was guppy + brimstone which I then took to the chest and beat blue baby again. I had a run earlier that almost beat the boss rush with brimstone + knife, but I got tagged by a fallen tear of all things.
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Dec 1, 2014 23:08
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Anatharon posted:Do you unlock any items from beating the game (mom/'s heart/whatever) on hard mode or just regular things you'd get from beating them? Yeah a different co-op baby is unlocked for each character when they beat Mom's Heart on hard, plus I think The Lost needs everything beat on hard for the godhead?
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Dec 1, 2014 23:09
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Do you unlock anything from building a meatboy like you do with bandage girl or is it just the secret/achievement?
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Dec 1, 2014 23:23
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Lowen SoDium posted:I know it won't give you a Horseman if the boss room was a double boss room, and it won't work on an XL floor. Beyond that, I don't know if it only increases the chance of a horseman or what. Yeah, think it's just been reduced to being a chance now, in addition to the new exclusions with XL floors and atypical boss room sizes. Really they need to just make it so whichever is rewarded from your first horseman is all that will rewarded from future horsemen that game.
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Dec 1, 2014 23:32
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I hate enemies that slow the game down to a crawl. Those walking guys that cannot take damage until their head pop up drive me nuts. It takes forever just waiting for them to attack.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:07
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JoshVanValkenburg posted:I hate enemies that slow the game down to a crawl. Those walking guys that cannot take damage until their head pop up drive me nuts. It takes forever just waiting for them to attack. The Sheol room with those and a rotating laser eyeball you can't circle around is just the worst.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:09
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Andrast posted:The Sheol room with those and a rotating laser eyeball you can't circle around is just the worst. Counterpoint: The room with two Adversaries.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:10
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AndroidHub posted:Do you unlock anything from building a meatboy like you do with bandage girl or is it just the secret/achievement? Building Meatboy unlocks the Super Fan, which boosts all stats (including speed it seems, which it did not in the original).
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Dec 2, 2014 00:11
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Nurge posted:Counterpoint: The room with two Adversaries. That just killed my run where I had all the survival items you could want as ???, but my only item increasing the damage per second I did was the Coathanger which I got back all the way on Basement 1.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:12
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notoriousman posted:Building Meatboy unlocks the Super Fan, which boosts all stats (including speed it seems, which it did not in the original). That's actually unlocked by challenge 14. I don't think Meat boy does anything but the achievement now. Super Bandage girl unlock the super bandage though.
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Me: "I've a good build now with hefty damage quadshot, but I'd really like something more awesome." Game: "Have a Devil Room with Mom's Knife, Dark Bum and Abbadon." Also, BBF (the friendly bombfly) is awesome early on but is the biggest loving troll once you get to the bottom levels. Early on most enemies are small and generally near the center of the room, giving BBF time to move the gently caress away from you. In Sheol/Dark Room/Cathedral/Chest 99% of the rooms are bosses. Which are big and if they're dual bosses they're generally placed in the corners. Perfect for BBF to spawn in, hit and catch you in the splash damage before you even have time to finish registering what's going on. I lost so many hearts that way that if I didn't have Dark Bum I'm pretty sure I would have lost despite having enough damage to 2-shot ???.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:15
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What is it with expirmental serum? All stats down with a chance to kill you if your health is low? The real piss-off is it's in so many item pools that it can show up 4x in a run, unless you pick it up for some reason. I love the idea of an item that can salvage a run where you've had nothing but speed and range ups, but the yellow serum seems to lower all my stats (and then shuffle them.) Last time I took it I had an all bad stats eden, it raised nothing and took all 3 heart containers away preventing me from taking the devil deal.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:29
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Sanctum posted:What is it with expirmental serum? All stats down with a chance to kill you if your health is low? It's all stats up slightly then randomly distributed. Which means they probably all went into something barely noticeable like luck or range.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:31
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Attn: Do not pick up Strange Attraction when you have a splash damage item like Cricket's Body because enemies will magnetize to the tiny splash damage tears just as much as the normal ones and bounce all over the fuckin place and be really hard to kill, all while being pulled up your stream of tears toward you like those fish that swim up your dickhole. I really screwed a good run here but I guess it's my fault for picking up Strange Attraction in the first place. 
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Dec 2, 2014 00:41
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CJacobs posted:Attn: Do not pick up Strange Attraction when you have a splash damage item like Cricket's Body because enemies will magnetize to the tiny splash damage tears just as much as the normal ones and bounce all over the fuckin place and be really hard to kill, all while being pulled up your stream of tears toward you like those fish that swim up your dickhole. I really screwed a good run here but I guess it's my fault for picking up Strange Attraction in the first place. Do pick it up with splash damage if you have Ludovico. You get a ridiculously strong pull that sucks everything in and shreds it.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:43
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Can you aim the chaos card? It feels like it shoots off in a random direction.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:46
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drunken officeparty posted:Can you aim the chaos card? It feels like it shoots off in a random direction. It goes in the direction you're currently firing when you press the use button. If you're not aiming in a direction when you use it, it'll be wasted.
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Dec 2, 2014 00:47
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Hahaha... Just did a run with Proptosis, Polyphemus, Tammy's Head and who knows what else. My first ever "every tear is way bigger than Isaac's body" style run.
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CJacobs posted:It goes in the direction you're currently firing when you press the use button. If you're not aiming in a direction when you use it, it'll be wasted. I've also had lots of success not firing at all and controlling its direction via movement. If you're not shooting it will go the same direction as you're moving. Getting blank card + chaos card is great for practice and absolutely hilarious because it literally kills everything in one hit. This includes the skull turrets, Peep's/Bloat's eyes and killing masks independently of their hearts.
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