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"Company taking female employee's words seriously immediately" would have been a lot more farfetched than "comedy jobber attempts rape"
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Sydney Bottocks posted:In reverse order: 3. It's hard for women to deal with the stigma of "oh she was probably asking for it / she is probably making this up". I mean if the woman knows anything about the internet she would know that as soon as it comes out she will be harassed by 10000 Heath Slater fans.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:11
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If I believe I was about to be raped, I'm not waiting for my company to press charges. That's stupid. I sympathize with her, but holy hell.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:12
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triplexpac posted:3. It's hard for women to deal with the stigma of "oh she was probably asking for it / she is probably making this up". Not saying you're wrong but... 10,000?
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Dec 3, 2014 21:12
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Gonzo McFee posted:Not saying you're wrong but... 10,000? I just hit 1 then a few zeros I am sorry I did not mathematically work out the number of Heath Slater fans that would harass this woman.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:13
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131% chance of being harassed.
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triplexpac posted:I just hit 1 then a few zeros I am sorry I did not mathematically work out the number of Heath Slater fans that would harass this woman. What's the over/under on Heath Slater fans harassing the officer he tried to rape?
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Dec 3, 2014 21:15
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triplexpac posted:I just hit 1 then a few zeros I am sorry I did not mathematically work out the number of Heath Slater fans that would harass this woman. Nah it's just that the Heath Slater fan club consists of his mum and their dog. His dad's no dead, he's just no caring. Now getting attacked by the legions of wankers who all come out of the woodwork to support rapists, that's a genuine worry.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:16
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Daniel Bryan posted:If I believe I was about to be raped, I'm not waiting for my company to press charges. That's stupid. The majority of rapes go unreported because the system in place is largely useless.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:18
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:How come this type of poo poo only comes up for sexual assault and related stuff? Like, if Slater was accused of stabbing someone or stealing from them I don't think I'd see this loving stupid post. Whether it's sexual assault, stabbing, or anything else I'm loathe to presume guilt over an accusation without evidence. This was apparently caught on film with witnesses though. Thauros fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Dec 3, 2014 21:19
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Charles Gnarwin posted:The majority of rapes go unreported because the system in place is largely useless. It doesn't help when even if you do report it, nobody believes you
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Dec 3, 2014 21:21
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Daniel Bryan posted:If I believe I was about to be raped, I'm not waiting for my company to press charges. That's stupid. Believe it or not it's actually somewhat reasonable to believe the company you work for arn't total poo poo heads who are going to drag their feet when something happens to their employees. And when nothing happens it's also justifiable in the victims mind that telling anyone else won't matter. This is why poo poo doesn't get reported.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:21
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Daniel Bryan posted:If I believe I was about to be raped, I'm not waiting for my company to press charges. That's stupid. If you're a dude, you're simply never going to understand the actual pressure/feelings involved.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:21
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Daniel Bryan posted:If I believe I was about to be raped, I'm not waiting for my company to press charges. That's stupid. This is an exceedingly tone-deaf post, given the amount of people who have posted very valid and real reasons as to why a lady might not be eager to run to the cops and report a rape. Tr33 posted:Believe it or not it's actually somewhat reasonable to believe the company you work for arn't total poo poo heads who are going to drag their feet when something happens to their employees. And when nothing happens it's also justifiable in the victims mind that telling anyone else won't matter. This is why poo poo doesn't get reported. Exactly. It's also possible she reported it and was told "don't ever bring this up again or you'll be fired". There are any number of reasons why she might have been leery of bringing this up on her own.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:21
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Sydney Bottocks posted:This is an exceedingly tone-deaf post, given the amount of people who have posted very valid and real reasons as to why a lady might not be eager to run to the cops and report a rape. Yeah, but why didn't she just counter with a stunner? That's what I would have done. It's pretty obvious.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:24
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Chris James 2 posted:It doesn't help when even if you do report it, nobody believes you
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Dec 3, 2014 21:25
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Emma got instantaneously fired for maybe stealing a phone case. I bet slater will get maybe a joke on RAW about trying to rape a lady.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:30
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Thauros posted:Whether it's sexual assault, stabbing, or anything else I'm loathe to presume guilt over an accusation without evidence. This was apparently caught on film with witnesses though. Ok but people are a lot more likely to ask those questions, ignore evidence, and generally blame victims when the crime is sexual assault related as opposed to anything else.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:31
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projecthalaxy posted:Emma got instantaneously fired for maybe stealing a phone case. I bet slater will get maybe a joke on RAW about trying to rape a lady. Well, seeing that Slater's former band member McIntyre got buried for not hitting his fiancee/wife back in a fight, I can only assume Heath will main-event Wrestlemania next year.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:33
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Daniel Bryan posted:If I believe I was about to be raped, I'm not waiting for my company to press charges. That's stupid. Man are you loving serious?
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Dec 3, 2014 21:33
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oldpainless posted:First Cosby, now Slater. Must all my heroes fall? I'm biased as gently caress, but I am very much "guilty until proven innocent" with rape cases, in terms of my opinion on the person. I know that's not "right" but that's just how I am. So yeah, gently caress Slater
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Dec 3, 2014 21:37
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Given wrestling's rich history of people who are socially maladjusted and prone to fits of drug/alcohol-induced sexual violence, I think it's understandable if some people aren't willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at times v TheRationalRedditor fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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flashy_mcflash posted:Man are you loving serious? It's three years after the fact. I'm a little baffled why it took so long. I don't spend a lot of time looking up attempted rape cases, so if this is usual then fine. I don't know what I said that was so off the wall. If someone wants to tell me why, that'd be helpful. Screaming at me about what I said doesn't help anyone. I'm willing to listen. Daniel Bryan fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Dec 3, 2014 21:44
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TheRationalRedditor posted:Cool, now substitute "wrestling" for "black people" and see how righteous that version sounds Taking that username to heart a bit, ain't ya?
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TheRationalRedditor posted:Cool, now substitute "wrestling" for "black people" and see how righteous that version sounds flashy_mcflash posted:Man are you loving serious?
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Daniel Bryan posted:so if this is usual then fine. It kind of is, unfortunately.
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TheRationalRedditor posted:Cool, now substitute "wrestling" for "black people" and see how righteous that version sounds
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The inevitable handful of angry goon comments that are philosophically opposed to the rule of law and innocence before proven guilt because they're tunnel visioning so hard on one agenda is the best because it's the only time you'll see them unwittingly give full support to police activity
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TheRationalRedditor posted:The inevitable handful of angry goon comments that are philosophically opposed to the rule of law and innocence before proven guilt because they're tunnel visioning so hard on one agenda is the best because it's the only time you'll see them unwittingly give full support to police activity
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TheRationalRedditor posted:The inevitable handful of angry goon comments that are philosophically opposed to the rule of law and innocence before proven guilt because they're tunnel visioning so hard on one agenda is the best because it's the only time you'll see them unwittingly give full support to police activity I'm for innocent until proven guilty in a courtroom, no question. My personal opinion on someone doesn't have to subscribe to that in any way. And the WWE would be smart to fire him. Court of Public Opinion is not Court of Law.
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Daniel Bryan posted:It's three years after the fact. I'm a little baffled why it took so long. I don't spend a lot of time looking up attempted rape cases, so if this is usual then fine. I misread earlier when I asserted that the employer waited three years to file the report. It was actually three months but the police have taken this long to build the case. We don't know why it took this long but that's on the cops, not the accuser. As others have said, it's extremely difficult for a woman to report this kind of thing, especially about a celebrity, because she's vilifed, ostracised, and her character publicly destroyed. You don't have to look up a bunch of rape cases to see that this is what happens in our society far too often. Look at what's happening with Bill Cosby or Jian Ghomeshi.
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:It kind of is, unfortunately. Okay. I plea ignorance and that's seriously messed up. Sorry.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:50
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Daniel Bryan posted:It's three years after the fact. I'm a little baffled why it took so long. I don't spend a lot of time looking up attempted rape cases, so if this is usual then fine. Whenever cases take this long, and it involves someone who isn't a straight white male, it's fair to say it's either the company's or police's fault for the long wait unless proven otherwise. In your own post, it pointed out that she reported it to her supervisor the morning after the incident, waited for them to do something, and reported it to the police 3 months later when it was clear they wouldn't. The police's warrant for arrest was just issued today. None of the above seems like "otherwise".
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TheRationalRedditor posted:The inevitable handful of angry goon comments that are philosophically opposed to the rule of law and innocence before proven guilt because they're tunnel visioning so hard on one agenda is the best because it's the only time you'll see them unwittingly give full support to police activity I'm not in any way opposed to "innocent until proven guilty" as a basic tenet of our justice system, such as it is, but that in no way means I am or should be constrained by it in my personal opinion about whether someone is guilty or not.
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On one hand a lot of women lie about this stuff and ruin it for the rest. On the other hand he is a wrestler.
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RBX posted:On one hand a lot of women lie about this stuff and ruin it for the rest. A lot? gently caress yourself and this MRA nonsense.
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Endorph posted:now substitute 'goon' for 'black person' and see how righteous that version sounds I don't care about heath slater and he could very well be guilty of whatever this charge is. but it's good to see so many goons are always willing to form hardline, stubbornly irreversible knee-jerk opinions on the basis of very poor information or none at all. But at least you're better than all those other sites you intrinsically hate because they are presumably doing the exact same thing.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:53
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RBX posted:On one hand a lot of women lie about this stuff and ruin it for the rest. If the first thing you consider when a rape accusation is brought up is "Well women lie about this all the time so *insert literally anything here*" you're insanely ignorant.
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Dec 3, 2014 21:53
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TheRationalRedditor posted:No grandstanding, it's an objective assessment of what happens every time.
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TheRationalRedditor posted:No grandstanding, it's an objective assessment of what happens every time. Were you saying this when everyone was bashing Vince after Punk's interview?
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