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outlier posted:Just got a link to the documentary: drat I can't believe they showed the pictures of the body... that really hosed me up 
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malleusmalefic posted:Solid post. Thank you for posting it. Him getting rid of all his ID ahead of time so he wouldn't be traced back to his family makes a little more sense to me than him escaping/being placed somewhere because of something spy related where they took all his IDs but left him with cigs and mysterious code fragments
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I don't know if suicide was still technically illegal or not in Australia at the time, but I'm sure there was a lot more stigma against the families of someone who committed suicide then than there would be now. Its not unreasonable for someone killing themselves at that time to take measures to ensure that their family doesn't have to deal with the negative attention of his suicide. I just can't believe that a secret agency would strip the guy naked, take all his I.D. slow poison him, put his de-tagged clothes back on and then dump him still alive while somehow not taking the book. That's just sloppy as hell, if nothing else. What possible reason would you have for leaving a potential loose end, even if he was very unlikely to survive/talk to someone before dying?
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Pharnakes posted:I don't know if suicide was still technically illegal or not in Australia at the time, but I'm sure there was a lot more stigma against the families of someone who committed suicide then than there would be now. Its not unreasonable for someone killing themselves at that time to take measures to ensure that their family doesn't have to deal with the negative attention of his suicide. If the guy was a secret agent it would make more sense for him to have de-tagged and removed any ID himself. Like how when you're sending secret agents on missions you don't tell them to take their real passport just in case a cop pulls them over on unrelated business. Source: I've watched Get Smart more times than I've had sex. once Sulla Faex has a new favorite as of 15:47 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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Double Plus Good posted:I honestly thought you guys were being facetious with the title of that documentary. It's a loving great title.
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Interestingly a dead tramp was used to fool hitler into thinking the allies were going to invade Greece when the real plan was to invade Sicily.quote:During World War II, the Nazis fell for an audacious British plot to pass off a dead tramp as an officer carrying secret documents. quote:Operation Mincemeat was a successful British disinformation plan during World War II. As part of Operation Barclay, the widespread deception intended to cover the invasion of Italy from North Africa, Mincemeat helped to convince the German high command that the Allies planned to invade Greece and Sardinia in 1943 instead of Sicily, the actual objective. This was accomplished by persuading the Germans that they had, by accident, intercepted "top secret" documents giving details of Allied war plans. The documents were attached to a corpse deliberately left to wash up on a beach in Punta Umbría in Spain.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Him getting rid of all his ID ahead of time so he wouldn't be traced back to his family makes a little more sense to me than him escaping/being placed somewhere because of something spy related where they took all his IDs but left him with cigs and mysterious code fragments I can totally understand that. I don't really know if I actually believe it's spy related, I am definitely just romanticizing it and don't want to accept that it is probably as mundane as suicide.
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Re: Taman Shud The de-tagging of his clothing is pretty much answered right in the wikipedia article: "It has since been noted that the "Kean" tags were the only ones that could not have been removed without damaging the clothing." That line also has a note attached to it that says: "With wartime rationing still enforced, clothing was difficult to acquire at that time. Although it was a very common practice to use name tags, it was also common when buying second hand clothing to remove the tags of the previous owner/s." So either the dude just bought stuff second hand, or he was an oddball that really liked to cut off the tags so long as it didn't damage the clothing. Or both. Occam's razor, guys.
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Going with the spy theory, it is possible that his assassin(s) left the code on him as some sort of message, maybe to the employers of this guy. Kind of a "Hey guys, we totally killed your agent, watch your back."
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I've seen this particular article a lot. It seems to have generated a lot of interest as well as suspicion. "My Grandma the Poisoner" by John Benjamin Reed. Bear with me, I know it's A.) on Vice and B.) decidedly NOT Wikipedia and should be taken with a massive grain of salt, but the issues it raises are most definitely creepy and unnerving. I was inspired to look up some other serial poisoners like Jane Toppan. There are lots of other poisoning stories here as well: http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/toxicology/index.html The traits in the John Reed story are also kind of like Munchausen by Proxy syndrome. If it's true, I wonder how much going through the Holocaust had to do with it that kind of behavior in the grandma. Here's another collection of some modern poisoning cases. Stacey Castor is pretty famous and one of the most horrible: "One of the more notorious recent poison killers, Stacy Castor of Clay, New York, was convicted of murder in 2007 for killing her husband with antifreeze. She then tried to frame her daughter for the crime, writing a fake suicidal confession, and serving the girlan unexpected cocktail of orange juice, soda, and crushed painkillers. The girl told police that the drink tasted “nasty” but she swallowed at her mother’s urging. Her survival led to a break in the case." They made a Forensic Files episode of it: (1) {2) All these other cases are different than what's described in the John Reed story, since his grandma used poisoning as a form of control rather than just to kill. It's bizarre. If there are other cases of things like that happening, we may never know about it, but now I'm curious. angelfisher has a new favorite as of 20:45 on Dec 2, 2014 |
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The author is surprisingly calm about the induced miscarriage.
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Not really unnerving but more of a case of hilariously bad luck. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brink%27s_robbery_%281981%29 quote:At 3:55 pm, Brink's guards Peter Paige and Joe Trombino emerged from the mall carrying bags of money. As they loaded the money into the truck, the robbers stormed out of their van and attacked. One fired two shotgun blasts into the van's bulletproof windshield, while another opened fire with an M16 rifle. Paige was hit multiple times and killed instantly. Trombino was able to fire a single shot from his handgun, but was struck in the shoulder and arm by several rounds, nearly severing his arm from his body. The criminals grabbed $1.6 million in cash, got back in their van, and fled the scene. Get shot by literal Communist bank robbers, live, and then die at the World Trade Center on 9/11 when you don't even work there and you were going to retire the next year.
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My wife sent me this one- a French soldier during the late 1700's who eat anything and everything he possibly could without gaining weight. He apparently had an absolutely insatiable appetite and even ate live animals.quote:With military rations unable to satisfy his large appetite, he would eat any available food from gutters and refuse heaps but his condition still deteriorated through hunger. Suffering from exhaustion, he was hospitalised and became the subject of a series of medical experiments to test his eating capacity, in which, among other things, he ate a meal intended for 15 people in a single sitting, ate live cats, snakes, lizards and puppies, and swallowed an eel whole without chewing. And it gets worse... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarrare
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Nckdictator posted:Not really unnerving but more of a case of hilariously bad luck. I worked that job in college. The sad thing is that if the robbers had just drawn down on them, the guards would've almost certainly given up the cash without a fight. There's no loving way that a couple of working joes are going to take a bullet for someone else's money.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I worked that job in college. The sad thing is that if the robbers had just drawn down on them, the guards would've almost certainly given up the cash without a fight. There's no loving way that a couple of working joes are going to take a bullet for someone else's money. " Throughout the trial, they repeatedly disrupted the proceedings by shouting anti-US slogans, proclaiming to be "at war" with the government and refusing to respect any aspect of the US legal system. They called the robbery an "expropriation" of funds that were needed to form a new country in a few select southern states... Burns testified that the killings were suitable because the three dead men had interfered with the "expropriation" and therefore deserved to die." Prototype sovereign-citizens?
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New Leaf posted:My wife sent me this one- a French soldier during the late 1700's who eat anything and everything he possibly could without gaining weight. He apparently had an absolutely insatiable appetite and even ate live animals. Sounds like the first issue of Hellblazer.
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New Leaf posted:My wife sent me this one- a French soldier during the late 1700's who eat anything and everything he possibly could without gaining weight. He apparently had an absolutely insatiable appetite and even ate live animals. At the bottom of that link is the story of a Polish soldier (Charles Domery) serving in the French army with the same condition, to the point where he sometimes was in too much of a hurry to strangle cats before eating them and when a fellow soldier's leg got shot off, he started snacking on it. Both stories have so many things in common including time and place that they sound like urban legends with some of that British/French hostility (no offense to the original poster). I can only imagine that if someone like this were found today he'd instantly be given his own show on Food Network. "Tarrare eats 170 dead rats and then sits down to consume an entire Thanksgiving feast for ten prepared by Paula Deen. Later, Guy Fieri prepares him twelve pounds of BBQ bologna sushi rolls. Tune in at 7:30 eastern!"
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Yeah it's just not physically possible. The stomach only holds so much without rupturing and live things tend to do stuff like bite, or have poisonous or at the very least sickness causing internal organs that are usually removed when preparing them. It sounds a lot more like some combo of those kids that are never full because of a damaged amygdala and those guys who ate random poo poo for carnivals and invented a thing. Especially with his physical description being a dude with too big a mouth and who never gained weight. It just doesn't fit.
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angelfisher posted:I've seen this particular article a lot. It seems to have generated a lot of interest as well as suspicion. "My Grandma the Poisoner" by John Benjamin Reed. Bear with me, I know it's A.) on Vice and B.) decidedly NOT Wikipedia and should be taken with a massive grain of salt, but the issues it raises are most definitely creepy and unnerving. Yeah, when I was almost done reading that article I realized "Wow, this transparently a work of fiction, I'm a dummy for believing it so far," then I looked around and everybody was linking it as if it were just a true writeup.
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:If the guy was a secret agent it would make more sense for him to have de-tagged and removed any ID himself. Like how when you're sending secret agents on missions you don't tell them to take their real passport just in case a cop pulls them over on unrelated business. Generally you wouldn't de-tag your clothes and you'd be carrying normal poo poo if you were a spy. Being a spy is that your job is to fit in wherever you go, your task is to look, dress and act like people who look like you in that area do. If he was a spy that died there wouldn't have been anything off about him. Source: Security and anti-terrorism is my degree field.
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EZipperelli posted:Re: Non-stop eating Even though the link is broken (fix that!) I grew up with someone with Prader-Willi Syndrome. He could literally eat until he burst but everybody had to make sure that his food intake was restricted. At home, the family had locks on the cupboards and refrigerator. I've lost touch with him but last I heard he was in a special program and had outlived the usual 16-year prognosis by more than a decade. He was a dear friend and I hope he is OK.
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Nckdictator posted:" Throughout the trial, they repeatedly disrupted the proceedings by shouting anti-US slogans, proclaiming to be "at war" with the government and refusing to respect any aspect of the US legal system. They called the robbery an "expropriation" of funds that were needed to form a new country in a few select southern states... Huh, they turned that case into an episode of Law & Order.
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EZipperelli posted:Re: Non-stop eating One of the reasons people with that syndrome die is massive chronic obesity. It doesn't fit.
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nucleicmaxid posted:One of the reasons people with that syndrome die is massive chronic obesity. It doesn't fit. I wasn't necessarily saying that PWS is what those guys had, but PWS is interesting and somewhat unnerving in and of itself. Imagine your hunger receptors don't work correctly, and you never feel full, even if you just ate 3 plates of Thanksgiving dinner. There's a group home in my area for people with PWS, and being a paramedic, we've run calls there before. Some of the residents have taken to eating loving ANYTHING because they feel hungry, even though the staff monitors their diets. It's quite sad to see a 10 year old ask for food on the way to the hospital, knowing he quite literally JUST ate dinner.
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My girlfriend worked for a couple years at a center for developmentally disabled adults and teens and there was a kid with Prader-Willi who was apparently insufferable. He was kind of crafty, and saavy enough to be able to trick inexperienced people into giving him food all the time. Apparently there are locks on all the cupboards at his house, and at PWS group homes there is just literally no food kept on the premises. That sort of thing is way harder to deal with than just like, an autistic kid who gets mad if he can't watch Fantasia.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Source: Security and anti-terrorism is my degree field. If you tell us that, then surely you flunked.... 
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I think this has probably made at least one appearance in this thread, already, but I've been looking into the West Memphis Three. I tried to watch There's Something Wrong with Aunt Diane, but it wouldn't load (Amazon Prime), so I clicked on a related video called Paradise Lost. Paradise Lost 1, 2, and 3 are a series of documentaries about the West Memphis Three. The whole case is definitely unnerving, but it's more disgusting than anything else. That Michael Carson kid, holy poo poo. I don't know if this shows a bias on the part of the documentarians, but the families* of the victims come off as incredibly unsympathetic in Paradise Lost. They're all spouting cherry-picked Bible verses, narrating their violent revenge fantasies, and sometimes appearing distinctly unstable. Even doing my best to keep in mind the terrible thing they are going through, I just find myself wondering what the gently caress is wrong with those people. * Terry Hobbs and Jack Hicks are more relatable than most of the others.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:If you tell us that, then surely you flunked.... Don't bother, they've already been taken away in black vans.
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EZipperelli posted:Re: Non-stop eating My brother has this, although it's thankfully a slightly different form which means he doesn't eat out of bins or chew on his own hair or anything, but if he's staying over then he will quietly make himself three breakfasts and the first question out of his mouth when he arrives is always "What's for dinner?" It's exhausting. I remember watching this documentary about it, (I think it was "Can't Stop Eating (2006)") at one point they had a girl who was meeting all her weight targets, absolutely perfect, showed a good level of understanding about her condition, then they let her out to go see her mother and the first thing she did was spend all her money on sweets. When they asked her why, she couldn't really say. Thing is, he doesn't even enjoy his food, it's like a mechanical thing. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. It would match with the notes of weak muscles in that article though, that's a big part of it. Edit: doc is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJdg_Xi1uU0 It's scary. That lad at the beginning going on about his book is exactly like watching my brother. It's creepy. Nettle Soup has a new favorite as of 14:00 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Kenning posted:My girlfriend worked for a couple years at a center for developmentally disabled adults and teens and there was a kid with Prader-Willi who was apparently insufferable. He was kind of crafty, and saavy enough to be able to trick inexperienced people into giving him food all the time. Apparently there are locks on all the cupboards at his house, and at PWS group homes there is just literally no food kept on the premises. That sort of thing is way harder to deal with than just like, an autistic kid who gets mad if he can't watch Fantasia. You know, that makes me wonder if a girl I went to high school with had it. She had an adult helper all day despite not having any visible disability and sometimes she would steal food out of people's backpacks if she could see it, and that would get her dragged forcibly out of the room by the helper. She was a sweet girl, seemed like a shame.
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I know Serial was posted few pages back.. but this seriously needs more attention. Just give the first episode a listen, if you hate it then you hate it, but I promise you will get sucked right in to this clusterfuck of "holy poo poo how did this kid get convicted for killing this girl?". This American Life has been hosting a podcast called Serial for the past few weeks - the concept came about because a journalist found this case that just... didn't make sense and decided to dig further and further, and the more she researched the more things didn't come up aces. http://serialpodcast.org The case is that of Adnan Syed. Here's the blurb they have on their page about the story: quote:On January 13, 1999, a girl named Hae Min Lee, a senior at Woodlawn High School in Baltimore County, Maryland, disappeared. A month later, her body turned up in a city park. She'd been strangled. Her 17-year-old ex-boyfriend, Adnan Syed, was arrested for the crime, and within a year, he was convicted and sentenced to spend the rest of his life in prison. The case against him was largely based on the story of one witness, Adnan’s friend Jay, who testified that he helped Adnan bury Hae's body. But Adnan has always maintained he had nothing to do with Hae’s death. Some people believe he’s telling the truth. Many others don’t. This case has so many layers, from the teachers interviewed having their comments about how all students are twisted, to a streaker finding the body, to random witnesses popping in and out all over the place. On top of the podcasts themselves, there are also extensive blog posts that are PACKED with extra information and files, maps, pictures, call logs, etc. that have come up throughout the investigation. That Damn Satyr has a new favorite as of 18:59 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Centripetal Horse posted:I think this has probably made at least one appearance in this thread, already, but I've been looking into the West Memphis Three. I tried to watch There's Something Wrong with Aunt Diane, but it wouldn't load (Amazon Prime), so I clicked on a related video called Paradise Lost. Paradise Lost 1, 2, and 3 are a series of documentaries about the West Memphis Three. The whole case is definitely unnerving, but it's more disgusting than anything else. That Michael Carson kid, holy poo poo. They're insane from grief and the police told them that these weird kids hostile to their way of life did it. The pain of not only having your child die but be killed in such a horrible and degrading way must be unimaginable, and then the cops tell you these kids did it and are trying to worm out of taking responsibility.
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stickyfngrdboy posted:it's on vimeo, I'm about to watch it. If you drink every time the sister-in-law says "it's ironic", you'll end up drunker than Diane Schuler.
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slinkimalinki posted:If you drink every time the sister-in-law says "it's ironic", you'll end up drunker than Diane Schuler. This might have been the problem to begin with.
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Holy poo poo I knew that voice sounded familiar. The Schuler's family attorney is Dominic Barbara, I'm pretty sure that's the celebrity lawyer that called into Howard Stern all the time and was just recently disbarred right?
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BobbyK posted:Holy poo poo I knew that voice sounded familiar. The Schuler's family attorney is Dominic Barbara, I'm pretty sure that's the celebrity lawyer that called into Howard Stern all the time and was just recently disbarred right? That would be him, yes.
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Centripetal Horse posted:I think this has probably made at least one appearance in this thread, already, but I've been looking into the West Memphis Three. I tried to watch There's Something Wrong with Aunt Diane, but it wouldn't load (Amazon Prime), so I clicked on a related video called Paradise Lost. Paradise Lost 1, 2, and 3 are a series of documentaries about the West Memphis Three. The whole case is definitely unnerving, but it's more disgusting than anything else. That Michael Carson kid, holy poo poo. I've been following this case for years. It's unnerving to think that, had your goth phase occurred in a different region of the US, you could just as easily end up where Damien Echols was. For a newer work on the subject, check out Mara Leveritt's Devil's Knot. Also frustrating is the fact that all three men, who spent the last two decades and all their formative years in prison, were released on an Alford plea - they are free but not exonerated. Arkansas Governor Mike Beebe, who has resisted multiple petitions to pardon the men based on faulty trials and new analysis of evidence, recently granted an official pardon to his son after a marijuana possession charge.
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