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Rhesus Pieces posted:The Garner case has demonstrated that all the body cameras in the world won't do a drat thing to get abusive cops indicted. Really the cops are just acting out the defined interests of the public - the institutional violence, structural racism, retribution oriented Justice, etc. that's the stuff that needs to change. By all means, let's start with the police, but the problem is way bigger than "nobody sees what the cops are doing"
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Mayor deBlasio's statement is here. http://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/540-14/statement-mayor-bill-de-blasio I forgot the marijuana policy change. That was good. Rhesus Pieces posted:America, circa 2019: "Man, I wish 'President Bernie' was more like 'Candidate Bernie', how awesome would that have been? America in 2020: "I mean, what happened? How can President Chomsky let me down today?" William Bear fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “We have the ability to have a level of tolerance—breathing room, if you will.” ~ NYC Police Commission William Bratton, on their preparations for expected protests.  Obama admin coincides with more decisions/jury results that betray white fear, are we really that surprised about localized manifestations of the right-wing national narrative? mdemone fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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What do you want Obama to say and reminder that anything he says will result in a polarizing firestorm of invective that serves to only further entrech racist ideology. Has any racist person ever been swayed by words? What was yall's experience at Thanksgiving, did y'all convince a lot of aunts and uncles that maybe this Michael Brown shooting thing was hosed up?
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Fried Chicken posted:Yeah, I mean, they are good as far as transparency goes (to the limits they are properly used and there is appropriate access to the footage) but they aren't the end all be all. Although the video and lack of conviction does seem to be stirring a lot of public unrest that may not have been there for a similar case (then again it could also be that everyone's already riled up about Ferguson).
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Reminder that Santorum called Obama a government friend of the family and pretty much nobody cared because he cut himself off before he got the last syllable out.Monaghan posted:out of curiosity how did De Blasio gently caress up this one? I honestly don't know his role in all this. Do you remember how he talked about things like fixing the NYPD and its extremely heavy racism? Well to do so he brought in the architect of Stop and Frisk. Ninjasaurus posted:Obama is one of the worst Presidents ever. Still not as bad as W Bush though. He still has 2 years with a fully GOP held congress. He's got plenty of time to make up for it, even without starting 2 new wars. If Obama's the best the left has to offer then I'm all for accelerationism because at this rate the sooner humanity is wiped out, the better.
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Yeah...and I hope someone calls him on that. What is with the smug in the legal system lately? Between the Missouri DA and this guy...
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Is Obama's response to this somehow even more mealy-mouthed than his response to Wilson's free pass? I can barely discern even a hint of meaning, much less an important political statement. Well he didn't include the "NOTICE TO ALL WHITES: YOUR PROTECTION IS OUR TOP PRIORITY Please ignore the following nods to the theory that black people are allowed to protest being killed. Thank you."
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Ninjasaurus posted:Okay, okay. That was a bit of hyperbole. In chronological order, Reagan, Bush, Bush. zoux posted:“It’s a horrible thing that he was killed, but he could have avoided that if he’d behaved like something other than a thug.”- Huck. 
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Stultus Maximus posted:In chronological order, Reagan, Bush, Bush. I think we should probably move away from the practice of showing single pictures and think that they sum up the a-to-z of a person's existence.
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zoux posted:What do you want Obama to say and reminder that anything he says will result in a polarizing firestorm of invective that serves to only further entrech racist ideology. Has any racist person ever been swayed by words? What was yall's experience at Thanksgiving, did y'all convince a lot of aunts and uncles that maybe this Michael Brown shooting thing was hosed up? I agree with the guy who said I want him to shut up and finish out his terrible 2nd term in silence.
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Ninjasaurus posted:I agree with the guy who said I want him to shut up and finish out his terrible 2nd term in silence. There's just no percentage to talking about race in America because it's not going to change anything and people cannot discuss it rationally. We just have to wait for the tipping point where enough racists have died and not been replaced that it's finally over. It's like discussing Batman movies on the internet; no winners.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:People being choked to death in the streets with zero consequences is not some embarrassing faux pas that we all need to hug it out over. gently caress you. The sad thing is I can't really think of any other politician that would have the balls to speak out forcefully against police abuse and lack of accountability either. Obama is too tepid on most issues while on this issue almost all politicians are spineless pussies that don't want to look like they're not "tough on crime." You know things are bad when the only person who seems to regularly talk about the issue is Rand Paul.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “We have the ability to have a level of tolerance—breathing room, if you will.” ~ NYC Police Commission William Bratton, on their preparations for expected protests. Holy poo poo, that pun.
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Stultus Maximus posted:In chronological order, Reagan, Bush, Bush. I know at least one thing they all have in common. 
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “We have the ability to have a level of tolerance—breathing room, if you will.” ~ NYC Police Commission William Bratton, on their preparations for expected protests. This part...this phrasing especially... I...I... I'm not sure if  or  is more appropriate.
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zoux posted:What do you want Obama to say and reminder that anything he says will result in a polarizing firestorm of invective that serves to only further entrech racist ideology. Has any racist person ever been swayed by words? What was yall's experience at Thanksgiving, did y'all convince a lot of aunts and uncles that maybe this Michael Brown shooting thing was hosed up? I want him to say this isn't an acceptable situation, that it's "troubling"(or whatever) that we haven't even been allowed trials for either of these cases, and that the federal investigations will be thorough and fair to everyone involved. Either that or shut the gently caress up instead of letting the entire black community know their go-to guy has the same words for them as the St. Louis County police chief and every mayor around the nation who had to address a protest breaking out. Racists are going to do what they're going to do, using that as an excuse to sit on your hands is hosed up. Also my thanksgiving was fine and dandy, no one talked politics at me and we all watched San Francisco get hosed up by Seattle hard.
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zoux posted:I think we should probably move away from the practice of showing single pictures and think that they sum up the a-to-z of a person's existence. What thuggish behavior was John Crawford engaged in?
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zoux posted:What do you want Obama to say and reminder that anything he says will result in a polarizing firestorm of invective that serves to only further entrech racist ideology. Has any racist person ever been swayed by words? What was yall's experience at Thanksgiving, did y'all convince a lot of aunts and uncles that maybe this Michael Brown shooting thing was hosed up? There is nothing that a black person can say or do in America today that will not result in a polarizing firestorm of invective that serves to only further entrench racist ideology. That is a given. The point is you can't expect those people to come to the table. It'll never happen. You have to go around them. Edit: Reminder that there was a "polarizing firestorm of invective that serves to only further entrench racist ideology" over Obama pardoning a loving TURKEY, which every other President has done for as long as I've lived and even THAT turns into a bunch of racist poo poo. You literally can't let those assholes dictate social policy.
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bassguitarhero posted:There is nothing that a black person can say or do in America today that will not result in a polarizing firestorm of invective that serves to only further entrench racist ideology. That is a given. The point is you can't expect those people to come to the table. It'll never happen. You have to go around them. I think the disconnect is that you believe those people to be smaller in number (especially for Democratic members) than they actually are.
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computer parts posted:I think the disconnect is that you believe those people to be smaller in number (especially for Democratic members) than they actually are. I think people give them far more credit than they are due. The real problem is that they are being allowed to pull strings from behind the scenes through thinly-veiled threats and at this point you have to force them to take action in public rather than hope to appease them in some way.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “We have the ability to have a level of tolerance—breathing room, if you will.” ~ NYC Police Commission William Bratton, on their preparations for expected protests. Jesus Christ that's loving crass.
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Man, I just watched Garner's video again...I can't imagine how terrifying it was to be him in his last moments. His pitiful cries for breath were god damned heartbreaking. I hope the tree lighting ceremony gets shut down by protesters.
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Stultus Maximus posted:What thuggish behavior was John Crawford engaged in? I don't know but if it's disingenuous to post a picture of a black person doing a "bad thing" and say he's a thug it's disingenuous to post a picture of a black person doing a "good thing" and make the opposite conclusion. Typically it's the former more often than the latter so I think we should probably stop doing it if we want it to stop. Secondly, even if he was the thugginnest thug that ever thugged, he didn't deserve to die and posting pics of someone looking "thuggish" or "not-thuggish" implies it's ok to kill people for acting a certain way.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Do you remember how he talked about things like fixing the NYPD and its extremely heavy racism? Well to do so he brought in the architect of Stop and Frisk. He did as good as end Stop and Frisk though. Its use is almost 80% down from 2013. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/12/03/new-york-has-essentially-eliminated-stop-and-frisk-and-crime-is-still-down/
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Evil Fluffy posted:He still has 2 years with a fully GOP held congress. He's got plenty of time to make up for it, even without starting 2 new wars. If Obama's the best the left has to offer then I'm all for accelerationism because at this rate the sooner humanity is wiped out, the better. I'd vote for Bill Clinton as President 4 Life in a heartbeat if I could. I know he's not a leftist by any means but he's maybe the best we can hope for at this point. At least when Hillary is President he'll be back in the White House. Goddamnit I can't believe the Clintons are the least bad people on the bench. But yeah, gently caress humanity.
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bassguitarhero posted:There is nothing that a black person can say or do in America today that will not result in a polarizing firestorm of invective that serves to only further entrench racist ideology. That is a given. The point is you can't expect those people to come to the table. It'll never happen. You have to go around them. Agreed. There is no way to be careful or nice enough talking about racism to many white people. That's why people discussing racism get upset about tone arguments, because the truth is that the act of even bringing it up gets folks offended, it doesn't matter how carefully you approach it.
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zoux posted:“It’s a horrible thing that he was killed, but he could have avoided that if he’d behaved like something other than a thug.”- Huck. Huh, I thought he'd died.
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Zeitgueist posted:Agreed. Which is why the solution to racism is not discussion.
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Hahaha, that loving deBlasio statement is pathetic. It ends on, of all things, a MLK Jr. quote and a call for the community to come together with the police to find a peaceful solution -- a community that watched a cop murder a black man for no reason and get away with it. It's on them to fix it. As always.
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zoux posted:Which is why the solution to racism is not discussion. I don't think anyone thinks it is, or at least anyone smart. But it's an example of how hosed up this country is on race.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hahaha, that loving deBlasio statement is pathetic. 99% of the statements from authority figures since Ferguson, Garner, etc have all called on black people to be better victims. It's very frustrating.
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The solution, of course, is full communism.
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I know it's Eric Garner day, but I thought you'd all like to know the cop who shot 12-year-old Tamir Rice was a sobbing headcase who got axed from a smaller force before being employed by Cleveland's police.
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Zeitgueist posted:The solution, of course, is
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Zeitgueist posted:The solution, of course, is full communism. That or reparations.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hahaha, that loving deBlasio statement is pathetic. He's speaking now and is doing a much better job but I don't where to tell you to stream it. I'm sure it'll be up somewhere soon. He's literally saying he and his wife have had to regularly hope that his kids would be safe from cops when they went out at night. e: oh someone linked it, good
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The United States President isn't going to come out and go "yeah you guys are right, gently caress the police." Presidents give weak statements because giving strong ones tends to cause unintended things to happen. You think the Republicans are bad now? If Obama came out and fully supported the protestors and told the police to gently caress off White America would probably get a lynch mob going outside the white house.
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Alexzandvar posted:If Obama came out and fully supported the protestors and told the police to gently caress off White America would probably get a lynch mob going outside the white house. The Tea Party was out on Capital Hill this morning...
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