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Zephro posted:It is closed at night. What's to stop protest groups organizing into small 7 person teams and starting a protest while already on the bridge?
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:What's to stop protest groups organizing into small 7 person teams and starting a protest while already on the bridge? Rules are flexible for those that have the power. I nearly missed the "dog-end voters in the outlying regions" thing. Didn't seem to provoke as much outrage as the picture of a house.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 00:43 |
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:What's to stop protest groups organizing into small 7 person teams and starting a protest while already on the bridge? Absolutely nothing, and that's how any demonstration there would start. The real question is how loving grim would it be to have police line off the only two exits from the area so they could take their good sweet time aggressively processing everyone.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 00:47 |
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:What's to stop protest groups organizing into small 7 person teams and starting a protest while already on the bridge? The police
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 01:29 |
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the Highline in New York is a cool park, it used to be at the end of my street, near enough, but that was making the best use of an abandoned (elevated section of) subway and turned it into a cool tourist attraction where you could walk from 50 something to 12th street in a nice little urban park thing. building a bridge especially for this seems a little silly
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 01:35 |
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I wish they'd do that with the old railway arches on the south side of Birmingham centre. They could make a great little elevated mini park with them, but that area isn't being redeveloped yet.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 01:40 |
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via Faisal Islam's twitter feed: Housing Market Responses to Transaction Taxes: Evidence From Notches and Stimulus in the UK quote:We provide evidence on the effect of property transaction taxes (stamp duty) on house prices, the timing of house purchases, and the volume of house purchases. To address these questions, we exploit administrative stamp duty records covering the universe of property transactions in the UK from 2004-2012 along with compelling sources of quasi-experimental variation. First, discontinuous jumps in the stamp duty at threshold property prices—notches—allow us to estimate the effect of the tax on house prices. Second, anticipated and unanticipated changes in the tax schedule allow us to estimate the dynamics of price responses and timing effects on house TL,DR: little cut in stamp duty (like the one we just got!) = big sudden jump in house sales and prices, with a sizeable fraction of the increased volume being sustained Meanwhile, here are the OBR's expectations for house price inflation over the next five years without accounting for the effects of the SDLT changes: Not a property owner? Oooops, that was careless of you, wasn't it? LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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quote:"There's this chance to stitch London together, and with something that isn't just about treating the river as an obstacle to breach," Heatherwick told the BBC. London is such an incredible city, if only it could be without all those icky people who live in it
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 02:50 |
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I thought we needed incubators and body armour, not an alternative bridge
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 07:07 |
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HE NEEDS FREE MOVEMENT ACROSS THE CAPITAL NOT HANDOUTS FOR SKIVERS
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 07:17 |
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Another fun (intended?) effect of Osborne's reworking of stamp duty is that it changes the SNP's variant of the same reworking into a tax increase for most homebuyers whereas it was previously a tax cut for those entering the lower end of the property market.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 09:49 |
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:What's to stop protest groups organizing into small 7 person teams and starting a protest while already on the bridge? I think Mark Thomas tried to organise something like this when they banned protesting outside Parliament unless you had a permission slip from
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 10:28 |
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Well, in ten years time when nobody can afford a house, the bridge will make a good campsite for the homeless I guess
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 10:30 |
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This doing the rounds on Facebook:FaceBook posted:I would really like to have this debate in public face to face. To see what people have to say… TLDR; woman leaves home at 15, string of homelessness and abuse due to lack of gvmt help. But it's OK, because she tried hard and got 3 jobs which barely get her by now. I'm pretty convinced this is a Daily Mail plant, or they paid her to write it. Is she saying that government sanctioned abuse and homelessness to prod you into finding work is OK? I suppose she hasn't even considered the fact that she got lucky in finding work, and that others might live in places where there genuinely aren't any, or have conditions that make it impossible. Or how about the fact that private sector wages are so hosed that she needs 3 jobs to barely get by? The number one thing that wound me up about it though is what I call the S Club 7 effect. As in Don't Stop, Never Give Up. It's easy to convey that message when it worked for you. It's confirmation bias. This woman is literally saying if she can do it, anyone can, which just isn't true, and is the kind of attitude that is making and keeping tens of thousands homeless and in poverty.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 10:33 |
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Zephro posted:Policemen with truncheons?
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EvilGenius posted:This doing the rounds on Facebook: There's some stuff in there that leads me to wonder if the last paragraphs were tagged on or changed in some way. I don't think the Daily Mail would be so supportive of food banks, for instance, and there's an argument that benefits are inadequate. But yeah, she(?) doesn't really acknowledge other people being in the same position at all, and there is definitely a 'what are you lazy poors complaining about? ' feel to it. I could certainly believe that the actual author tried to come up with a situation that was as far as possible from their own experience and that of their intended audience and came up with 'homeless lesbian with mental health issues'. If somebody so blatantly Other (without being an immigrant!) could get (lovely) work, then why couldn't all homeless people/poors?
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 11:23 |
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EvilGenius posted:This doing the rounds on Facebook: The message is "people are selfish, teenage sluts get houses, I slave away to survive and I'm grateful for the chance for it". It's daily mail fodder of the highest caliber, save that she's gay. Similar poo poo gets thrown up regularly, like the "I could be getting benefits but I'm proud and not a scrounger so I work myself into an early grave" stories, or that ATOS arsewipe who was all "I'm disabled and I can do it, everyone else is lazy". It doesn't matter if it's real or not, it's very effective propaganda because its hard to argue against without pointing out the logical fallacies right away which bores the poo poo out of the average commenter who doesn't want facts or logic when a cuddly image of a "try hard striver who is getting along in today's Britain" comes along. gently caress facebook, burn humanity into the ground imho
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 11:36 |
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Well, I'm convinced. If she can work three jobs and still not have a penny to spare for Christmas, the system obviously works and we don't need a social floor or any of those icky 'benefits'. "No job is beneath anyone, money is money, minimum wage or £30,000 a year." Imagine how much could be redistributed to universal income or public services if this was the acceptable range of after-tax income
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 11:41 |
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There's also the link to the barely related story of the family on benefits that allegedly spent £1,500 in their two kids at Christmas - a story which is meant to convey benefits as being overly generous, which completely contradicts what this woman said about her experience on benefits. It also implies support of current government policy - the same government who don't want any benefits at all for people under 25. Also, I had a mate who left college and went straight onto JSA and was on £55 a week, despite the fact that he lived with his parents, and this will have been around 2002. How come this care leaver was on £30 a week, five years ago?
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EvilGenius posted:There's also the link to the barely related story of the family on benefits that allegedly spent £1,500 in their two kids at Christmas - a story which is meant to convey benefits as being overly generous, which completely contradicts what this woman said about her experience on benefits. It also implies support of current government policy - the same government who don't want any benefits at all for people under 25. Edit: With no family or friends her Christmas would be pretty dismal anyway!
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DesperateDan posted:The message is "people are selfish, teenage sluts get houses, I slave away to survive and I'm grateful for the chance for it". It's daily mail fodder of the highest caliber, save that she's gay. Similar poo poo gets thrown up regularly, like the "I could be getting benefits but I'm proud and not a scrounger so I work myself into an early grave" stories, or that ATOS arsewipe who was all "I'm disabled and I can do it, everyone else is lazy". It doesn't matter if it's real or not, it's very effective propaganda because its hard to argue against without pointing out the logical fallacies right away which bores the poo poo out of the average commenter who doesn't want facts or logic when a cuddly image of a "try hard striver who is getting along in today's Britain" comes along. 'If I can do it, why shouldn't you?'
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Seaside Loafer posted:Cant we spend all this money/attention on some sort of incentive to leave program, id gladly get the gently caress out of this shithole in exchange for a crash course in spanish or italian and 5 grand start up money. What sort of start up are you thinking of? If it is something you can run from anywhere then Spain is probably best in terms of setting up a business (although UK is easier). But if you're looking to employ people somewhere free from racism those are not the first places I would pick haha! As for language learning, I've found Michel Thomas tapes invaluable, coupled with reading exercises using app Duolingo.
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EvilGenius posted:There's also the link to the barely related story of the family on benefits that allegedly spent £1,500 in their two kids at Christmas - a story which is meant to convey benefits as being overly generous, which completely contradicts what this woman said about her experience on benefits. It also implies support of current government policy - the same government who don't want any benefits at all for people under 25. It smacks of the old 'it only the current situation that's a problem' mentality - see also 'immigration was fine before, older immigrants came when we needed them, but now it's different. Hypothetical woman had a tough time in the past, what a shame, but she made it! But now people on welfare live like kings. No it doesn't really make any sense if you think about it, but these things are posted to push certain buttons. Honestly it doesn't even read like it was all written by the same person, it goes from 'while you're judging these people's lives and actions...' to 'if I can get three jobs anyone can if they actually try' within a few sentences I mean there's like three main messages in there - I've had a hard life and the welfare system barely helped - here's my miserable experience 'on benefits' - Do something to help instead of just judging people, because even a few tins can really make the difference for people in poverty - Teaching kids that Christmas is about consumerism is a huge problem, especially for all the people in dire financial situations - it should be about family and being thankful for what you have Then for some reason there's also - I'm gay so I can't accidentally get pregnant, I hear teenagers with children get housing priority wtf is THAT about??! - No job is beneath anyone! - If people don't have a job they're just not trying! The first bit sounds like the basis of a debate to have in public, the other stuff sounds like a bunch of non sequiturs shoved in later. The Heil link isn't so bad in itself, as an example of 'look at this pernicious issue where poor people feel they have to spend so much on Christmas', but it was obviously published as a loving outrageous scroungers bit and the facebook story reads like it was tweaked to give it some of that flavour
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http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/3/7325919/uk-announces-a-google-tax-to-stop-companies-diverting-profits-overseas I'm sure the accountants will be thrilled at all the billable hours this will generate figuring out the new work around. But I'm still surprised that Osbourne even gave this little hat tip to the problem of corporations funnelling all our money overseas. quote:The British Chancellor of the Exchequer, responsible for setting the UK's budget, today announced plans for a new 25 percent tax intended to close loopholes that presently see multinational companies extracting their profits to lower-tax regimes like Ireland. It has already been described as a "Google tax," though it affects a practice that is widespread across the tech industry and others beyond it: Apple, Amazon, Starbucks, and others have all been subject to scrutiny about the ways in which they account for their profits.
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Conservative MP Mark Pritchard arrested over alleged rapequote:The Conservative MP Mark Pritchard has been arrested over an allegation of rape. Hopefully this means a byelection will get a proper politician into the seat, say from a party like UKIP
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Tories throwing away the election, I'm smacking my lips
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 13:41 |
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Which whiny baby buys these avatars? Please speak up you little turd and explain why it was worth sending money to some American guy. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:Which whiny baby buys these avatars? If it's good enough for government outsourcing, it's good enough for us.
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The name Mark Pritchard rings a bell. Remind me what the little turd's done in the past.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 14:29 |
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He's only been arrested so far. He could have just been on the wrong bridge at the wrong time.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 14:49 |
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He's a Tory, so expect plenty of victim blaming and dirt digging on the accuser over the next few weeks from the press :-(
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Umiapik posted:The name Mark Pritchard rings a bell. Remind me what the little turd's done in the past. He actually looks quite different to the average Tory. Very humble beginnings, pissed off some Etonians and swore at the Speaker. quote:For the first five years of his life he was brought up in an orphanage in Hereford,[2] and later grew up in foster care living in a council house. He told his local newspaper that his early years were years of "love and warmth" and that he did not have "a single bad memory" of his time in the orphanage.[3]
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Umiapik posted:The name Mark Pritchard rings a bell. Remind me what the little turd's done in the past. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10429208/Mark-Pritchard-MP-my-annual-fee-would-be-3000-a-month.html
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 15:23 |
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I think hes the MP my brother hates vehemently but I can't remember why.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 16:06 |
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Osborne's new postgraduate student loans are kind of amazing because of what they do to marginal tax rates: Marginal income tax rate for a postgraduate borrower on <£42k: 50% Marginal income tax rate for a postgraduate borrower on >£42k: 60% Marginal income tax rate for a 50-something hedge fund executive on £1m+bonus: 47%
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Guavanaut posted:Is there a generational requirement there or is one drop good enough? Non-white blood is like Ice-9, one drop and it completely overwhelms the purity, I guess. Zephro posted:I think Mark Thomas tried to organise something like this when they banned protesting outside Parliament unless you had a permission slip from He succeeded, sort of, and set a world record (that has since been beaten) of 20 protest in 20 different places in one day. He basically had a wheelie bin full of permission slips that they were wheeling around while protesting in various locations. I think the crowning achievement was when he had a police escort into the middle of an anarchist melee so he could protest something (can't remember what exactly) Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Umiapik posted:The name Mark Pritchard rings a bell. Remind me what the little turd's done in the past. afaik the last time he was in the news was because he was one of those targeted in the Tory PR girl twitter thing that took down Brooks Newmark. He got some secret settlement from the Sunday Mirror over it. Ddraig posted:He succeeded, sort of, and set a world record (that has since been beaten) of 20 protest in 20 different places in one day. He basically had a wheelie bin full of permission slips that they were wheeling around while protesting in various locations. He did a stand-up show about it which is pretty good (I have it on audio). Funniest bit for me was when they realised the law didn't specify what form the written request had to take and were sending them in iced on cakes and so on. The New Black fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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The New Black posted:He did a stand-up show about it which is pretty good (I have it on audio). Funniest bit for me was when they realised the law didn't specify what form the written request had to take and were sending them in iced on cakes and so on. Ddraig posted:I think the crowning achievement was when he had a police escort into the middle of an anarchist melee so he could protest something (can't remember what exactly) sometimes the uk is good + cool
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Jeremey Thorpe's passed away
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Oberleutnant posted:sometimes the uk is good + cool Mark Thomas is pretty great. I'm disappointed I missed his 100 Acts of Minor Dissent show which he toured earlier in the year, but annoyingly I was out of work when he came to Inverness and couldn't afford it. Loved the premise though. The Mark Thomas Comedy Product was one of the first things I remember that made radical politics seem really righteous and exciting, even though I was probably 12 when it started on Channel 4 and too young to really understand why the bastards were truly bastards. It's a shame there's nothing like that on these days.
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