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SedanChair posted:Kyrie didn't know that until this morning. He was going about his business praying directly to saints, as though they were gods and he was a lamentably heretical syncretist polytheist. "You can pray directly to saints, asking them to pray for you to God. It is called intercessory prayer" seems to me entirely in line with CCC 2683 - "we can and should ask them to intercede for us and for the whole world".
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Dec 4, 2014 23:16
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Cavaradossi posted:"You can pray directly to saints, asking them to pray for you to God. It is called intercessory prayer" seems to me entirely in line with CCC 2683 - "we can and should ask them to intercede for us and for the whole world". Is asking the same as praying? If you pray to people on earth is that OK?
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Dec 4, 2014 23:24
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SedanChair posted:Is asking the same as praying? If you pray to people on earth is that OK? Pray to Joe Pesci.
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Dec 4, 2014 23:25
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CommieGIR posted:I like Kyrie's new avatar. Who did it?
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SedanChair posted:Is asking the same as praying? If you pray to people on earth is that OK? Prayer is not an individual task. One prays in communion with the saints, and in communion with the body of Christ on Earth - the Church. So in your prayer it is natural to petition for others, or to ask others to petition for you.
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Dec 4, 2014 23:34
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Cavaradossi posted:Prayer is not an individual task. One prays in communion with the saints, and in communion with the body of Christ on Earth - the Church. So in your prayer it is natural to petition for others, or to ask others to petition for you.
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Dec 4, 2014 23:35
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Nessus posted:So what exactly is the purpose of prayer? Are you just thanking God? Are you trying to put yourself closer to God? Are you asking God for things (even if those things may mostly be mercy and charity)? Quit intervening in the affairs of the lord, petty mortal!
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Dec 4, 2014 23:36
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I really don't like some aspects of the jesus man. I mean love thy neighbor and quick booze own, but leaving all my poo poo behind to do the lords work? We can't all just miracle up bread and fish like you nigga 
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Dec 4, 2014 23:41
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Nessus posted:So what exactly is the purpose of prayer? Are you just thanking God? Are you trying to put yourself closer to God? Are you asking God for things (even if those things may mostly be mercy and charity)? yes
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Dec 4, 2014 23:45
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Illegal Username posted:I really don't like some aspects of the jesus man. You could if you had faith the size of a mustard seed! But seriously, you're not only allowed to work as a Christian, but it is a duty: "If any one will not work, let him not eat."
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Dec 4, 2014 23:45
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Nessus posted:So what exactly is the purpose of prayer? Are you just thanking God? Are you trying to put yourself closer to God? Are you asking God for things (even if those things may mostly be mercy and charity)? Thanking God is prayer of thanksgiving (CCC 2637 - 8); asking God for things is prayer of petition (2629 - 33) or intercession (2634 - 6). Yes, prayer is "the raising of one's mind and heart to God". Remember - ACTS. Adoration, Contrition, Thanksgiving, Supplication.
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Dec 4, 2014 23:47
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CommieGIR posted:drat it, now you are on the ignore list. I'm starting to wonder if Kyrie has anyone not on ignore in this thread and in that case what's the point in continuing to post in it if you can't read anyone's posts? Kyrie eleison posted:But seriously, you're not only allowed to work as a Christian, but it is a duty: "If any one will not work, let him not eat." Lenin was such a great Christian.
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Muscle Tracer posted:If YHWH were real, it would be a weak god and a stupid one, unworthy of worship on the grounds of its inability, not only to command its creations, but even to coherently demonstrate its existence. It is a groveling creature, one at the mercy of its very creations, outmatched by all but the feeblest intellects. But what is death if not decay? Everything that dies decays, every object erodes, and every civilization fades to dust sooner or later. Everything that dies decays, but not everything that decays needs to die. Long after the last living organism drains the last drop of blood from his own body, as Khorne gnashes his teeth once the blood finally stops flowing, Plaguefather Nurgle will continue relishing in watching everything humans spent so long building crumble into dust. Decay permeates every moment of existence, for the moment that anything is created it begins its decay. All hail the Plaguefather!
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Twelve by Pies posted:I'm starting to wonder if Kyrie has anyone not on ignore in this thread and in that case what's the point in continuing to post in it if you can't read anyone's posts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgDslMyevFo
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Dec 5, 2014 00:50
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Like most false Christians Kyrie prefers the sound of his own voice.
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Who What Now posted:Like most false Christians Kyrie prefers the sound of his own voice. christianity is dumb and bad and calling people 'false christians' or whatever like liberals like to do is stupid. you can just call them dumb and wrong. it's OK
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CommieGIR posted:
the dude is a gimmickposter who loves Catholicism and anime, i don't think he's here for rigorous debate and discussion
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Dec 5, 2014 00:59
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Kyrie eleison posted:You could if you had faith the size of a mustard seed! Second, a better translation would be “is not willing to work”, which implies that you're talking about a person who could do work, but won't, rather than "everybody has to work to eat no matter what". Third, I didn't know you were a Leninist, you certainly don't sound like one anywhere else.  Fourth, I presume this means you oppose Pope Francis turning the "Bishop of Bling's" $46 million dollar mansion into soup kitchen for the poor? No seriously, that's why I like Pope Francis, he actually cares about helping the poor rather than saying "You can't work, you can't afford food for yourself and your family? Haha go die in a gutter." Kyrie, please be more like Pope Francis. Pope Francis is a cool dude.
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fade5 posted:First, that was Paul who said that, not Jesus. (And it was from a letter, so we're already playing the telephone game.) It's from scripture, it's inspired by God (CCC 106) fade5 posted:Second, a better translation would be “is not willing to work”, which implies that you're talking about a person who could do work, but won't, rather than "everybody has to work to eat no matter what". He's still right - the quote still means that if you can work, you should, it is a duty to do so. fade5 posted:Fourth, I presume this means you oppose Pope Francis turning the "Bishop of Bling's" $46 million dollar mansion into soup kitchen for the poor? I doubt it. There are many reasons why a person could not be able to work, and could need the help of a soup kitchen.
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Cavaradossi posted:He's still right - the quote still means that if you can work, you should, it is a duty to do so.
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Nessus posted:What if the conditions are such that there is not work available for you to do? Are you obliged morally to work in a way that injures yourself for a pittance (relative to your immediate area)? If the only work available is immoral in nature, is it obligatory to take it anyway, because you are morally obligated to work if you can? No, if you desire work but it isn't available, then you still will work - ie, you are willing to work. It's just not possible. The quote is from a passage against laziness 11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. not against economic disadvantage.
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fade5 posted:First, that was Paul who said that, not Jesus. (And it was from a letter, so we're already playing the telephone game.) While the current Pope is better than the last he's actually not quite as progressive as some people try to make him out to be. Saying that gays and atheists aren't the scum of the earth should be the bare minimum we should expect and not worthy of much praise. And he certainly hasn't done anything to bring the pedophiles his church is safeguarding to justice.
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Who What Now posted:While the current Pope is better than the last he's actually not quite as progressive as some people try to make him out to be. Saying that gays and atheists aren't the scum of the earth should be the bare minimum we should expect and not worthy of much praise. And he certainly hasn't done anything to bring the pedophiles his church is safeguarding to justice.
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Nessus posted:I wouldn't say "anything" though I'd agree he could do more. Nonetheless this is better than Pope Sidious, whose official statements were, I believe, "well, it's really the fault of the gays, now isn't it?" possibly followed by "1488". We had such lofty goals.
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I'd been resisting but I had to drop into this thread and see if people have been, for 72 pages, sincerely debating a crazy person. jfc D&D
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Nessus posted:I wouldn't say "anything" though I'd agree he could do more. Nonetheless this is better than Pope Sidious, whose official statements were, I believe, "well, it's really the fault of the gays, now isn't it?" possibly followed by "1488". Has he actually done anything besides say that he's against it? The Protagonist posted:I'd been resisting but I had to drop into this thread and see if people have been, for 72 pages, sincerely debating a crazy person. We get bored easily.
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Who What Now posted:Has he actually done anything besides say that he's against it?
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Here's a pretty good forum for D&D posters... has some epic memes. http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism
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Kyrie eleison posted:Here's a pretty good forum for D&D posters... has some epic memes. http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism I think you should go try to save their souls through passive aggressive threats of damnation and smug moral superiority.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Here's a pretty good forum for D&D posters... has some epic memes. http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism
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soo you might be asking "when is the end coming" youre welcome e: I mean for this thread. This thread cannot be closed until then Rodatose fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Dec 5, 2014 |
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Nessus posted:So what exactly is the purpose of prayer? Are you just thanking God? Are you trying to put yourself closer to God? Are you asking God for things (even if those things may mostly be mercy and charity)?  btw, it isn't directly reciprocal prayer=reward; imagine you have a meter that builds up power, and when it fills up you get a limit break for ultimate attacks and moves you couldn't normally do.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Here's a pretty good forum for D&D posters... has some epic memes. http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism Haha, thanks for the rec' friend!  Here's a site I found for ya, seems like some cool people who'd be into talking about this stuff more with you http://www.freerepublic.com.1488! 
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Rodatose posted:
Prima is my favorite book of the bible too.
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Rodatose posted:soo you might be asking "when is the end coming" Seriously, you want the one apocalypse that's actually gonna happen? Wait about 5 Billion years, then the Sun's gonna expand into a Red Giant and either burn the Earth to a crisp or consume it completely. That's the real coming Apocalypse. Mark your calendars. fade5 fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Dec 5, 2014 |
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fade5 posted:It's gonna be a long time, but I am so gonna enjoy laughing at these guys once the eclipse starts, happens, and passes and nothing happens; no Jesus, no earthquake, no nothing. Just like the Millerite's Great_Disappointment, just like Harold Camping's May 21, 2011 Rapture, just like the Mayan 2012 Apocalypse (the Mayans didn't actually predict an apocalypse, but it was twisted to mean that anyway), just like every other Apocalyptic prediction that has failed to happen. The Andromeda collision is something like only 4By away!  Granted we may not get thrown out of orbit, that'll be more of a nailbiter. Also a gamma ray burst could come ripping through at any moment... the Universe has plenty of Perfectly Normal apocalypses on tap, really no need to turn to religion for that either.
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Nessus posted:I thought in seven or eight hundred million years, the sun's slowly increasing emission of light and heat will start boiling the oceans? Turn into a red giant. Yes.
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