CommieGIR posted:

Then maybe you shouldn't try to make bad comparisons. This is the second or third time you've make comparisons that are not valid.

BrandorKP posted:

I just want to get back to this again.

For a Christian, especially one that thinks that we are all brothers and sisters of Jesus and all children of the Father, these are perfectly acceptable reasonable and logically internally consistent comparisons.

quote:

'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'

Miltank posted:

CommieGIR posted:

Right. Right. The gunning down of civilians or choking them to death is comparable to God's will in allowing the crucifixion to go forward to atone for the sins of the world.

Treyvon died for the sins of Zimmerman. If only he'd known.

BrandorKP posted:

Apparently you read incredibly poorly. "utter futility of theodocy", I am in no way going to attempt to explain evil because any attempt to explain evil is also an attempt to justify it. But I will and do assert that when we suffer, our lives still have meaning and we are not lost to it (suffer and death).

You want to use the usual canned retort and are missing that it is a non-sequitor.

DrProsek posted:

But what is death if not decay? Everything that dies decays, every object erodes, and every civilization fades to dust sooner or later. Everything that dies decays, but not everything that decays needs to die. Long after the last living organism drains the last drop of blood from his own body, as Khorne gnashes his teeth once the blood finally stops flowing, Plaguefather Nurgle will continue relishing in watching everything humans spent so long building crumble into dust. Decay permeates every moment of existence, for the moment that anything is created it begins its decay. All hail the Plaguefather!

The Protagonist posted:

It's much more simple than you make it out to be: human sacrifice is really hosed and a benevolent god wouldn't demand it

CommieGIR posted:

Khorne would

The Snark posted:

Also an upraised middle finger to Kyrie though for trying to out-smug Atheists and intimating possession of greater knowledge they don't actually have. I lose respect for anyone who takes pride in 'muting' people, even if they are obnoxious, announcing it is simply reveling in possessing a piteous amount of power. You may have had good intentions in making this thread, but your approach from on high is not going to win anyone over any better than the jerks on the other side.

Also a tip of the hat to anyone else of any particular faith who I have no doubt missed in this thread who have politely represented their beliefs. Godspeed ye merry gentlepersons.

To those of you who can argue for Atheism without casually dropping into contemptuous name-calling, straw-manning and other odious habits- I salute you as sincerely. Even if I should happen to disagree.

To the rest... Have fun, I guess. I can wish you well on the basis that as you get more futilely angry and obnoxious you might well drive people to faith just to get away from you. Assuming Kyrie does not provide sufficient counter-pressure.

This is most certainly not an announcement of personal departure from the thread, which I intend to continue watching, but simply an endorsement of the respectful and a more gentle gently caress-you to the contempt-filled.

The Snark posted:

Look at me and how I am above all of you other people I am. I don't discuss things on the Internet and I believe this makes me mature when in reality it just makes me look like a smug boring prick with not a single interesting thought in my head. Aren't I special? Please give me acknowledgement and validation.

Kyrie eleison posted:

Allow me to explain why you are an rear end in a top hat.

You display the height of hypocrisy when, in the middle of your (amazingly self-described) "gently caress-you to the contempt-filled", you give me the finger. Do you have any self-awareness? Any at all?

If you're going to condemn contempt, you can't do it while spewing contempt. If you want to promote a polite and moderated discussion, then you have to be polite and moderated.

You talk about the obnoxious, while being obnoxious.

Unlike you, and other fakers, I won't deny it: I have contempt for some people, and I don't mind putting people off, if they deserve it.

Another thing: I used the word "muting" because poster "A Protagonist" used it. Take your snarky quotes around it to him. And it is a forum feature. I don't give a gently caress if you, or anyone else doesn't like the fact that I ignore those who contribute absolutely nothing to the conversation but abuse. They do not deserve my attention.

Kyrie eleison posted:

Allow me to explain why you are an rear end in a top hat.

You display the height of hypocrisy when, in the middle of your (amazingly self-described) "gently caress-you to the contempt-filled", you give me the finger. Do you have any self-awareness? Any at all?

If you're going to condemn contempt, you can't do it while spewing contempt. If you want to promote a polite and moderated discussion, then you have to be polite and moderated.

Muscle Tracer posted:

Dust is merely the blood of suns. Decay is merely war writ small. Creation is merely war writ large. Nurgle, like the Star Gods, is merely another of the thousand faces of Khorne.

Kyrie eleison posted:

If you're going to condemn contempt, you can't do it while spewing contempt. If you want to promote a polite and moderated discussion, then you have to be polite and moderated.
...
Unlike you, and other fakers, I won't deny it: I have contempt for some people, and I don't mind putting people off, if they deserve it.

Who What Now posted:

I support NAMBLA and the KKK, when a baby dies- I get hard. I once killed a vagrant and a hooker, but my Lawyer daddy successfully blocked the investigation.

DrProsek posted:

Dude, I don't know how you can not get it any harder. The people who have contempt for you in this thread are fairly open about it and will be as impolite as they want to you. You, meanwhile, are king faker who hides posts by anyone who shows more contempt than calling you assbreath and insists everyone post like they're sending an email to their boss. If getting called mean names gets you so riled up go take a walk or something, maybe stick to ADTRW for a while and watch some sweet animes.

The Snark posted:

It would seem I am flawed, yes. I'm working on it. Aren't we all? And as it happens, I think precious few people care if you ignore people. Which is why it is so obnoxious when you announce it like a priest pronouncing excommunication. God is great, you however are just a squeaky little microbe in the vastness of creation that they fortunately happen to love. Just like the rest of us. Atheists too!

Kyrie eleison posted:

Yes. I know they do. I wasn't addressing them. I was addressing those who pretend to have no contempt. And I don't care. And I will ignore them if they are unreasonable, as they deserve. Just like I'm going to do to you.


There is nothing wrong with saying I am putting people on ignore, so that people might know their punishment, and others might avoid it.

Kyrie eleison posted:

Yes. I know they do. I wasn't addressing them. And I don't care. And I will ignore them if they are unreasonable, as they deserve. Just like I'm going to do to you.


There is nothing wrong with saying I am putting people on ignore, so that people might know their punishment, and others might avoid it.

Kyrie eleison posted:

Yes. I know they do. I wasn't addressing them. I was addressing those who pretend to have no contempt. And I don't care. And I will ignore them if they are unreasonable, as they deserve. Just like I'm going to do to you.


There is nothing wrong with saying I am putting people on ignore, so that people might know their punishment, and others might avoid it.

The Snark posted:

What the hell is WRONG with you, Who What Now? You seem like a really terrible person. Why would you say all those horrible things?

CommieGIR posted:

Man, its almost as if you want us to accept your arguments at face value rather than debating and discussing them....

...much like your other threads prior.

Travic posted:

I've thought long and hard about how to approach this. First off you probably came here looking for either a discussion on how great Jesus is or to try and convert people (which is fine. The Bible says to teach people about Jesus), but I'm going to go ahead and tell you you're never going to get that on somethingawful. Religion is one of those things people have made up their minds about, and I'm about to explain why.

I don't want to try and convert you. Your religion is very important to you. The Bible warns against associating with atheists because they will corrupt you. I don't want to do that.

I do believe in God, but I do not believe in the Bible. You will not convince me that the Bible is great and I will not convince you that is it horrible. What I can do is tell you my story and have you think long and hard about it to understand why people here hate it.

I used to be a hard core Christian. I went to church every Sunday even in college. I thought you could never take my faith away from me. Then a friend of mine was raped. The rapist was never charged and got away scott-free, and I thought, "We have failed this woman. She has been scarred for life and this guy will not be punished. At least in the final Judgement he will pay for his crimes." So I cracked my Bible and looked for the punishment for rape. "How can this be?" I thought. "This is impossible!" Well the answer is that according to the Bible women are property first owned by their fathers then by their husbands. They are worth a monetary value at marriage and if they are not virgins at marriage they are stoned to death thereby losing the worth of the woman. A raped woman can never be married so the father is out that money so the victim must marry her rapist and the rapist pays for her and they can never get divorced

I brushed that off and trudged on. "It's a silly rule of a tribe that made its way into the Bible. It doesn't apply anymore."

Then I went to church one day and was told that being tolerant of other people is evil. At the time my roommate was Muslim. My roommate was awesome. So I cracked my Bible to see what I should do. Options ranged from killing him, murdering and burning the entire city men women and children even if there is only one non-believer, to just staying away.

Even Jesus got in on the action.

The examples go on and on. I kept finding more and more atrocities in the Bible. But I was firm. I was a Christian. I believed in the Holy Bible. There are many more good passages than bad Then I realized. I'm throwing out passages that I disagree with. Who am I to do that? Who has that authority? No one. How can it be the Holy Gospel if I just pick and choose what I believe.

Then it hit me.

That's all the Bible is used for. Picking and choosing things that validate our beliefs. If it really is God's Word we must follow all of it or none of it. No one can decide what parts of God's Word to believe and what to throw away. If it is "Divinely Inspired" then it's just written by some dude. How is anything he wrote Gospel?

I don't want to kill people who work on Sunday.

I don't want to own women or treat them like poo poo.

I don't want to own slaves.

I don't want babies that die at birth to go to hell just as a matter of course.

The list goes on and on.

Now am I just focusing on the negatives? Yes. But is throwing out all the bad stuff and only reading the good stuff any better? I'd still just be cherry-picking my Bible. People 100 years ago burned women for the possibility they might be a witch. We don't do that anymore because it's horrible. But the Bible demands it . How far are you willing to go back to be a good Christian?

I want to be a good person. I don't need the Bible to do that.

Kyrie eleison posted:

There is nothing wrong with saying I am putting people on ignore, so that people might know their punishment, and others might avoid it.

Who What Now posted:

The things about you? Because they're true, mostly. You're thoughts are vapid and shallow and the majority of your posts are nothing but bemoaning the fact that people use naughty words in their arguments. You have the fragile sensibilities of the most sheltered geriatrics and were this the antebellum south you'd be crying how our uncouthness was giving you a case of the vapors.

Those other things? I didn't and you don't really understand jokes.

Kyrie eleison posted:

A Very Serious Poster posted:

Allow me to explain why you are an rear end in a top hat.

You display the height of hypocrisy when, in the middle of your (amazingly self-described) "gently caress-you to the contempt-filled", you give me the finger. Do you have any self-awareness? Any at all?

If you're going to condemn contempt, you can't do it while spewing contempt. If you want to promote a polite and moderated discussion, then you have to be polite and moderated.

You talk about the obnoxious, while being obnoxious.

Unlike you, and other fakers, I won't deny it: I have contempt for some people, and I don't mind putting people off, if they deserve it.

Another thing: I used the word "muting" because poster "A Protagonist" used it. Take your snarky quotes around it to him. And it is a forum feature. I don't give a gently caress if you, or anyone else doesn't like the fact that I ignore those who contribute absolutely nothing to the conversation but abuse. They do not deserve my attention.

The Snark posted:

If that's a joke, you're sadly mistaken in believing you're funny. Believing what your own straw men say does not make them true, Murderer.

Miltank posted:

innocently making posts

Kyrie eleison posted:

strict adherent to 100% correct Catholic doctrine.

GAINING WEIGHT... posted:

When you were an atheist, did you really think there was no God, or were you just denying Him (suppressing the truth) because you were angry with Christianity or something?

Kyrie eleison posted:

I think any person who is of a truly spiritual persuasion will come to appreciate Christianity.


You are making assumptions about me. I have been ardently atheist for over a decade of my life. And I know what you mean, about realizing man-made fabrications, and I think it is good to be skeptical and a critical thinker.

The thing is, atheism made me miserable. To be without the eternal was a great loss. Life apart from God was empty.

I always had a connection with God, and with Jesus, which was very special to me, in my heart of hearts. And that is why I returned to religion, and have felt comforted by it ever since.

The Snark posted:

I wholly agree with the last two sentences. That said, I am not sure I agree with the rest of your assertions. Interpretations can vary wildly, which could be by design, many of those quotes do not outright say what you claim they do. I don't think God wanted faith to be particularly simple. The Word may well be in the Bible but IS it the Bible? The Bible as we know it was voted into existence by a mortal authority in addition to being written by mortal men even if by dictation. I am not sure THEY wouldn't have daftly added errata- though successfully doing so would seem to imply that too is quite within God's plan.

If you have an omnipotent omniscient entity who wants to be believed in but doesn't want people to believe they KNOW them (but rather, to simply try to), it would seem to me that encouraging uncertainty would not be an overly improbable tactic. Though, again, it's not as if there is an indisputable answer to any of this. Just things we hope are true and- in some cases- simply have to trust TO God.

Travic posted:

No all the quotes I used are very clear in what they say. They say stone un-believers, rape victims must marry their rapists, slavery is ok, murder cities if they have non-believers, women are property, etc etc. There is no ambiguity.

Travic posted:

No all the quotes I used are very clear in what they say. They say stone un-believers, rape victims must marry their rapists, slavery is ok, murder cities if they have non-believers, women are property, etc etc. There is no ambiguity.

Miltank posted:

the bible: no ambiguity.

Miltank posted:

KE is SUPER good at riling up retard atheists. He is honestly one of my favorite posters for this reason: he just says what he believes and people fall over themselves to make snarky comments like they aren't the ones getting trolled. I don't mean that he is a fake poster or anything, he is just a catholic anime goon innocently making posts while the forums burn around him.

Miltank posted:

the bible: no ambiguity.

Miltank posted:

KE is SUPER good at riling up retard atheists. He is honestly one of my favorite posters for this reason: he just says what he believes and people fall over themselves to make snarky comments like they aren't the ones getting trolled. I don't mean that he is a fake poster or anything, he is just a catholic anime goon innocently making posts while the forums burn around him.