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Kyrie eleison posted:I don't think you meant anything by it, but this question is personal. I can't properly explain it without delving into the details of my life. But, I will try to share a more abstract form. But you saw the light!  If you went into atheism expecting spiritualism, I don't know what to tell you.
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If you had a spiritual need, why become an Atheist in the first place?
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The Snark posted:On that last one, you're getting closer to it with Christianity. Disregard the New Testament and you're pretty much there. People do not simply become Jews. Their religion is racial in nature. And I reject the notion that Christianity is the "sequel" to Judaism and that Judaism is "older" or more accurate. Everything that is in Judaism is also in Christianity. We also have Moses. But we have Christ as well. To us, the Jews are an aberrant sect that rejects the Christ and emphasizes racial purity.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:27
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I think Mormons feel the same way about protestants and Catholics.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:28
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Kyrie eleison posted:People do not simply become Jews. Their religion is racial in nature. Ummmmmmm.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Judaism
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Dec 6, 2014 22:29
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Incorrect. There are very few, if any, skulls in Sonic the Hedgehog. 
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Dec 6, 2014 22:31
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Kyrie eleison posted:To us, the Jews are an aberrant sect that rejects the Christ and emphasizes racial purity. Jebus: So awesome he went back in time to found Christianity before Judaism. 
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Dec 6, 2014 22:32
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ThirdPartyView posted:Jebus: So awesome he went back in time to found Christianity before Judaism. But see, its RACE thing. Jesus had to get the Delorean and go back in time to found the religion. That burning bush? That was him.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:33
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ThirdPartyView posted:Jebus: So awesome he went back in time to found Christianity before Judaism. I think he is actually arguing that Christianity is real Judaism and Post-Christ Judaism is a heretical sect. It makes sense but is still a bit batshit insane.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:34
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I believe there is an argument to be made for Erwin Rommel as Khorne's greatest prophet. He was a general who did not sit idly in his tent making plans, but one who led from the front as all great warriors should. And not only was his skill in battle great enough to earn respect from ally and foe alike; but he was aware that although it may be pleasing to slaughter the entirety of the opposing forces, to do so means that the enemy will be able to bring forth no new soldiers. Bloodshed which is vast but brief cannot honor Khorne nearly so much as a flow that, albeit lesser, remains unstaunched for all eternity.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:35
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ThirdPartyView posted:Jebus: So awesome he went back in time to found Christianity before Judaism. Not correct. Judaism as we know it did not exist until Christ. Judaism is a reaction to Christ, those who preferred the letter of the law and racial purity over the true religious teachings of God. Christianity is the continuous unbroken line from the beginning. When Christ came, he fulfilled all of the prophesies, and Judaism is basically a group of people who are in denial of this.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:37
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Kyrie eleison posted:Not correct. Judaism as we know it did not exist until Christ. Judaism is a reaction to Christ, those who preferred the letter of the law and racial purity over the true religious teachings of God. Christianity is the continuous unbroken line from the beginning. When Christ came, he fulfilled all of the prophesies, and Judaism is basically a group of people who are in denial of this. Oh, now THAT is bullshit. For someone that says everyone is wrong about his religion, you sure are good at being wrong about other people's faiths. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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Dec 6, 2014 22:38
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Muscle Tracer posted:the whore-pretender requires festivals of debauchery. Your bigotry makes me...uh, not sick cause such distate is due only to the ugly Plaguefather, not, um, angry cause that's such a simple, blunt emotion, fit only for the animal Khorne...let's just say I find it beguiling. I pray that one day you'll see a booty so fine, you will throw yourself into festivals of debauchery, and drunk on the erotonarcotics of Prince/Principessa of Pleasure, you'll turn to an obsidian mirror in the oubliette of bliss and find yourself there reflected, a wretch whore crawling to tune of the of the Dark Princess/Prince, dancing in the train of That which you once despised, and reveling in it. Indeed, what has this thread been but a twisted choir of madly crafted words, the sonorous babbling hymns of mortal souls chasing redemptive perfection? This thread has been dedicated to Slaanesh since the first post 
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Kyrie eleison posted:Not correct. Judaism as we know it did not exist until Christ. Judaism is a reaction to Christ, those who preferred the letter of the law and racial purity over the true religious teachings of God. Christianity is the continuous unbroken line from the beginning. When Christ came, he fulfilled all of the prophesies, and Judaism is basically a group of people who are in denial of this. Have you ever, like, spoken to a Jew in person?
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Dec 6, 2014 22:55
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Nessus posted:So you're saying all the ancient Jews, were actually Christians, and that modern Jews, exist as a sort of reverse denial of Christianity. That is what I am saying. And yes, although I don't see how that's relevant. Do you have a point to make?
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Dec 6, 2014 22:55
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Still not seeing nearly enough skulls to satisfy either a follower of the Emperor, or of the tainted ones. Seriously son, I'm talkin' skulls all over the drat place. Like, this right here?  This is a sufficient amount of skulls to have. Now, having said that, watch some Khorne-freak bust out daddy's special chair and act like it's all superior just because it has more skulls.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:57
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Kyrie eleison posted:That is what I am saying. And yes, although I don't see how that's relevant. Do you have a point to make? Now if your point is that you don't actually need to even consider how people in a religion live that religion, experience it, their discussions amongst themselves, and so forth, because you have the truth - well, you can certainly hold that perspective. However, in turn you should perhaps not object when other people, ignorant of the fine details of your religion, make sweeping and incorrect statements about it. your next statement will be 'the difference is my religion is true.' joseph joestar is god
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Nessus posted:My point is that your understanding of Judaism is pretty lovely, and appears to completely ignore what the Jews have to say. Again, you completely fail to make a counterpoint. Of course Jews have a different view of it than Christians. But I am a Christian, and this is my view.
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Dec 6, 2014 23:08
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Kyrie eleison posted:Not correct. Judaism as we know it did not exist until Christ. Congratulations, you have lost your goddamn mind.
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Dec 6, 2014 23:09
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Kyrie eleison posted:Again, you completely fail to make a counterpoint. Of course Jews have a different view of it than Christians. But I am a Christian, and this is my view. So, ignore actual written history and accept only your point of view. You're loving high.
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Dec 6, 2014 23:09
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This shouldn't be controversial to anyone who knows the basics of Christian theology. Christians are the true religious descendants of the ancient Israelites, and Jews are a faction of Israelites that rejected the Christ, who was God. This is fundamental and basic to Christianity. Have you ever talked to a Christian before?
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Dec 6, 2014 23:13
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Kyrie eleison posted:This shouldn't be controversial to anyone who knows the basics of Christian theology. Christians are the true religious descendants of the ancient Israelites, and Jews are a faction of Israelites that rejected the Christ, who was God. This is fundamental and basic to Christianity. Have you ever talked to a Christian before? The Israelites existed before Christ in both name and theology. You threw their entire history under the bus because your religion is 'superior'
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CommieGIR posted:The Israelites existed before Christ in both name and theology. You threw their entire history under the bus because your religion is 'superior' Christians are the Israelites.
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Dec 6, 2014 23:16
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Jesus is actually really cool imho.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Christians are the Israelites. So you say. That doesn't make that correct. The Israelites, however, are strictly Sematic. You don't get that title. You have to be Hebrew/Jewish to be an Israelite. You are not.
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CommieGIR posted:So you say. That doesn't make that correct. The Israelites, however, are strictly Sematic. So you're saying the true definition of an Israelite is not someone who follows the one true God, but rather someone who has a certain racial heritage?
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Kyrie eleison posted:So you're saying the true definition of an Israelite is not someone who follows the one true God, but rather someone who has a certain racial heritage? Religious Heritage. Which I also pointed out earlier you can convert to. If it was racial, there would be no conversion process.
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Acquire Currency! posted:Jesus is actually really cool imho. He brings me fresh tacos every Tuesday at the office, so  .
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CommieGIR posted:Religious Heritage. Which I also pointed out earlier you can convert to. If it was racial, there would be no conversion process. You said "Sematic", by which you presumably meant "semitic", which is a racial category. Basically, you believe that God's people are a racial tribe and not the loyal followers of his Word irrespective of race.
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Kyrie eleison posted:So you're saying the true definition of an Israelite is not someone who follows the one true God, but rather someone who has a certain racial heritage? First off, Jews follow the same God as Christians and Muslims. You don't get to say that they don't follow the same God as you. Second, Kyrie eleison posted:But I am a Christian, and this is my view. sure, that's your view. But in D&D, you have to give argument in support of your view. Otherwise it's pointless.
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Kyrie eleison posted:You said "Sematic", by which you presumably meant "semitic", which is a racial category. Basically, you believe that God's people are a racial tribe and not the loyal followers of his Word irrespective of race. At one time it was a racial thing, however, the Israelite term specifically denotes Judaism as the religion, not the race. You can convert to Judaism (I posted a link) and become a fully fledged Israelite member! Keep up here.
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Kyrie eleison posted:This shouldn't be controversial to anyone who knows the basics of Christian theology. Christians are the true religious descendants of the ancient Israelites, and Jews are a faction of Israelites that rejected the Christ, who was God. This is fundamental and basic to Christianity. Have you ever talked to a Christian before? As I did grow up with Christianity, this is pretty foreign. They treated Judaism as its own thing, that Christianity would first build upon, then spiral out of. As you remember, Christianity started out with the racial component, which was a hotly discussed topic in the early church.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Again, you completely fail to make a counterpoint. Of course Jews have a different view of it than Christians. But I am a Christian, and this is my view. Here let's break it down. Kyrie eleison posted:Judaism as we know it did not exist until Christ. However, while these two events were near each other (I believe Christ's crucifixion is held to have occured somewhere around 30-35 AD? and the Temple fell in 70 AD) they were not directly related in the conventional sense. quote:Judaism is a reaction to Christ, those who preferred the letter of the law and racial purity over the true religious teachings of God. Now, are there racist Jews in the modern day? Certainly. But if racist actions on the part of modern Jews represents a fundamental flaw in Judaism, does it not seem as though questionable actions done by the Roman Catholic Church, or the Catholic community, would represent a fundamental flaw in Catholic teaching? quote:Christianity is the continuous unbroken line from the beginning. quote:When Christ came, he fulfilled all of the prophesies, and Judaism is basically a group of people who are in denial of this.
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Nessus posted:In the sense that Jews disagree that Christ fulfilled these prophecies, yes, I suppose this is literally the case, but your construction here suggests that Jews are actively ignoring the obvious blatant truth of your specific religion, instead of, you know, disagreeing. Do you think Muslims are in denial of the truth of the Trinity, too? He's claimed, variously, that pretty much everyone that isn't exactly his brand of doctrinaire Catholic knows for realsies that they're wrong and he's right, but all reject what they know to be true out of sinful pigheadedness or whatever. For Kyrie, there cannot be honest disagreement because, in his feverish delusions, the Truth is so goddamn obvious and undeniable that to hear it is to know it for a fact. Now, what I'm curious about is this: what is his, and your, position on skulls as ornament?
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Captain_Maclaine posted:He's claimed, variously, that pretty much everyone that isn't exactly his brand of doctrinaire Catholic knows for realsies that they're wrong and he's right, but all reject what they know to be true out of sinful pigheadedness or whatever. For Kyrie, there cannot be honest disagreement because, in his feverish delusions, the Truth is so goddamn obvious and undeniable that to hear it is to know it for a fact.
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Nessus posted:I think a skull makes an excellent ornament, but be sure nobody else has dibs on it - there's no need to be impolite. 
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There is only one god and his name is Jibbers Crabst.
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I've always been intrigued by the ossuaries. Which one is that? It's not Sedlec, I don't see the chandelier. edit: Czermna?
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Prism posted:I've always been intrigued by the ossuaries. Which one is that? It's not Sedlec, I don't see the chandelier. Czermna Chapel in Poland. The bones are from the 30 Years Wars and Silesian Wars in 1176 E: You got it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_Chapel,_Czermna
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