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lovely Wizard posted:Australian Christmas 2010 : 13 New Weapons + CP_Degrootkeep (+ item test) All of those new weapons were disastrously bad so it's probably for the best that we don't get new weapons anymore. What is there even left for them to do?
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If you scrolled halfway up the last page you can see it's separate from the upcoming Christmas update. Also whatever the map was supposed to be for OTL it's probably better than egypt so it should have come with it
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Dec 9, 2014 10:24
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Reiley posted:All of those new weapons were disastrously bad so it's probably for the best that we don't get new weapons anymore. What is there even left for them to do? Apparently someone found an engineer building sound named "Building_Speedpad.Boost", which sounds neat. flatluigi posted:If you scrolled halfway up the last page you can see it's separate from the upcoming Christmas update. I know, thats why I put ??? since we don't know what we're getting yet, if I was implying EOTL was the christmas update I would have put "dogshit with a dogshit counter that counts dogshit for five bucks" Unless you were talking to the other guy then woops.
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Dec 9, 2014 10:27
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I'd much, much rather have new maps than new weapons at this point, and I hope the beta maps stuff going on at the moment is a permanent fixture and they don't just drop it after cactus canyon and asteroid are finished.
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Dec 9, 2014 10:40
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I really, really liked that thing they did last year, rebalancing a bunch of underused or obnoxious weapons instead of adding new stuff. I hope they do that again this year.
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Dec 9, 2014 10:44
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Fr0Z3n posted:Probably not, as we've done our best already. We were banking on Valve accepting the map (we were being lead to believe that this was the case up until a few weeks ago), which would remove the issues with filesize and stuff. So, yea. With all the necessary models, we can't really reduce the size too much. http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=23104&page=10 So it went from possible yes to nope, as well as them starting the EOTL crate droppings which was a defacto "BZZZZZZZZZZ TIMES UP". Either they really wanted a pre-christmas update and forced the update out before it was ready or some sort of poo poo went down.
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Dec 9, 2014 10:46
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I'd be more sympathetic to the thread if I didn't know there would be an equal amount of bitching if Valve had actually added or changed stuff.
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Dec 9, 2014 11:03
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Well, I kinda like the Demoman pants, and the Pyro's wooly stuff gave me a chuckle. But I think this is the first update where there isn't a single cosmetic item I want. We've got enough reskin melee weapons as it is, too. Still a new pyro taunt that doesn't involve the balloonicorn, sign me up for that. That looks like the sittin' pyro taunt animation we saw way back when too. If the duck unusual thing were true I'd be tempted by that, but I've gotten bored of TF2 recently anyway. A rubberducky krones dome would be sweet, but I think I'll pass on spending any more money on this game this year. Unless something amazing happens in the next few weeks.
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Dec 9, 2014 11:25
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Anyone who thinks a speed pad (presuming this is a thing you step on for a temporary speed boost) is a good idea didn't main Scout for that Merasmus bullshit. Whee, I hit the speed cap for minimal gains while my dramatically improved opponents can pretty much erase my one advantage!
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Dec 9, 2014 11:56
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Finally got the time to watch EotL this morning and the movie is great, especially for a pretty small community team! Shame that the rest of the update seems to be a bit lacklustre, the soldier coat not making it into the actual game sucks too. I haven't played the latest few versions of Snowplow so my thoughts on it may be a bit outdated but its whole gimmick seemed kind of forced, like it would have played better reworked to be a standard A/D or payload map. Sucks that Valve seemed to drop its inclusion at the last minute though, for the mappers who had spent ages working on it if no one else. Anyway, I hope the actual Valve Christmas update is still of considerable size and they're not skipping on development to let the community do the work.
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Dec 9, 2014 13:31
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Reiley posted:All of those new weapons were disastrously bad so it's probably for the best that we don't get new weapons anymore. What is there even left for them to do? The Boston Basher, Loch-n-Load, Loose Cannon, Fists of Steel, Rescue Ranger, Crusader's Crossbow, Vaccinator and Amputator all came out at Christmas.  The Buffalo Steak Sandvich, Ullapool Caber and Holiday Punch too, which are all fun gimmicks. Zero! posted:Finally got the time to watch EotL this morning and the movie is great, especially for a pretty small community team! Shame that the rest of the update seems to be a bit lacklustre, the soldier coat not making it into the actual game sucks too. Valve apparently imported the wrong item into the game instead of that coat. The Coldfront Curbstompers didn't even appear in the movie.
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Dec 9, 2014 13:39
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Film was great, update seems awful, still not really playing TF2
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Dec 9, 2014 13:58
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Zero! posted:Anyway, I hope the actual Valve Christmas update is still of considerable size and they're not skipping on development to let the community do the work. 
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Dec 9, 2014 15:23
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Yeah, I bought my two
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Dec 9, 2014 15:24
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I don't think that it actually does anything. I've heard that if you press the action button it quacks. Is that true? I want to quack constantly.
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Dec 9, 2014 15:26
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Magypsy posted:I don't think that it actually does anything. I've heard that if you press the action button it quacks. Is that true? I want to quack constantly. This is important. A part of me wouldn't mind paying 5bux for a no limit noisemaker.
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Dec 9, 2014 15:59
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I don't think that anyone here is stupid enough to actually buy it and see. 
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Dec 9, 2014 16:02
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Magypsy posted:I don't think that anyone here is stupid enough to actually buy it and see. I bought the duck.
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Dec 9, 2014 16:13
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I don't get how it upgrades something into an unusual. If you level it up to max, does it gain that circling duck unusual effect or something?
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Dec 9, 2014 16:19
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Jusupov posted:collect enough and your duck turns in to a duck unusual item that you can use on a hat, not all hats will work though
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Dec 9, 2014 16:26
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mabels big day posted:I bought the duck. You can't spam quacks. what a failed free update, valve 
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Dec 9, 2014 16:31
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Verdugo posted:free update Well, you have to pay five bucks for the duck and 2.50 to open crates and that's all there is.
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Dec 9, 2014 16:39
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Naw man there's totally that pyro spraypaint rectangle on some random buildings too.
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Dec 9, 2014 16:42
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The duck is a unlimited quack noisemaker. Bolded since people keep asking.
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Dec 9, 2014 16:44
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lovely Wizard posted:http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=23104&page=10 The word I'm hearing is that Valve was giving zero feedback to the mappers. It was just a long series of "do you like this?" "nope" "okay how about this?" "nope" until Valve finally hit their deadline and said they won't accept the map. To be fair, the map does have some serious issues. But Valve's inability to provide any direction or feedback is a bigger failure even though it's been their MO about maps since 2007. They've effectively killed off community servers by implementing quick play, have stopped buying maps, and on the rare occasion they talk about map design they provide conflicting advice.
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Dec 9, 2014 16:55
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They said something about there being duck collecting leaderboards, so who knows maybe people who collect the most ducks will get a duck cosmetic or something when the "event" ends.  Although if they were going to do that they probably would have said it upfront so that people might give half a poo poo.
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Dec 9, 2014 16:57
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This duck event really feels like a low-effort test-the-waters thing to see if players in TF2 are willing to pay money to opt into events like they are in DotA 2. It's a crummy event built out of stuff they already had, but they really just want to see if people will drop the $5 on participating in something with no tangible reward.
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Dec 9, 2014 17:01
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Gabriel Pope posted:They said something about there being duck collecting leaderboards, so who knows maybe people who collect the most ducks will get a duck cosmetic or something when the "event" ends. The thing is, collecting ducks doesn't do anything. Your duck doesn't get levels it doesn't get xp. It's a noisemaker and there's rubber ducks that fall out of people but the two are completely unrelated. Peanut President fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Dec 9, 2014 17:08
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The fact that people waited for months for this is just incredible. A weapon focused update with 1 reskin. No map. A 4.99$ cosmetic and a bunch of crates. Even the video itself was awful compared to Expiration Date.quote:From the bottom of my heart I thank you, the SFM short was truly amazing and looked stunning, never before (not even in Expiration Date) have I seen such loving majestic scenery. It was funny, well-written, beautiful and all around just loving amazing, I'll defiantly be watching this for the years to come. TiCK fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Dec 9, 2014 17:11
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I always like to buy at least one key for new crates just to see what I get, and as luck would have it, I ended up with the exact thing I was hoping to get.  I've been wanting a Pyro sitting taunt for ages, but I like this alternative better. I'm so easily amused. 
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Dec 9, 2014 17:29
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xzzy posted:The word I'm hearing is that Valve was giving zero feedback to the mappers. It was just a long series of "do you like this?" "nope" "okay how about this?" "nope" until Valve finally hit their deadline and said they won't accept the map. If mappers for TF2 aren't 'getting it' after all this time then c'mon son. Snowplow, straight off the bat changed the capture point mechanism to something exactly the same functionally but abstracted in a different way. (time -> health lowering over time). It was even a less useful method of signposting progress as time is more granular than health (when cut up into 10% chunks). That said, all the decent mappers have gone elsewhere, after cosmetics/weapon stuff came out mappers realized they may be getting a shorter end of the proverbial community backed money stick. You get what you pay for. Works both ways I guess. Fishbus fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Dec 9, 2014 17:37
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But Snowplow has been in development for most of this year, and the train timer mechanic has been there since day one. Valve had months of opportunity to state that the mechanic was not a good idea and ask them to come up with something else. Instead the mappers got silence and eventually cut. It's stupid and Valve handled the whole thing poorly.
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Dec 9, 2014 17:51
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xzzy posted:But Snowplow has been in development for most of this year, and the train timer mechanic has been there since day one. Valve had months of opportunity to state that the mechanic was not a good idea and ask them to come up with something else. Why do they need feedback from valve? This was something people were complaining about since the map went to open beta yet they left it in.
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Dec 9, 2014 18:30
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Eugh, the flashdance footies clip horribly with the gunboats.
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Dec 9, 2014 18:31
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The Kins posted:Looks like something new's coming: The default wrench now has a weapon description, and there's an unused sound definition for a "Speedpad" building. Oh god I hope this is some sort of Engi thing that makes building level 3's on offense a viable strategy rather than gunslinger being the only useful option. Oh yeah, and gently caress the ducks, I hope no one buys that poo poo from the store so Valve learns a lesson and never does another event like this again. fujifisher fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Dec 9, 2014 18:40
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BillehS posted:Why do they need feedback from valve? This was something people were complaining about since the map went to open beta yet they left it in. Because Valve is the customer and in most creative enterprises the client provides feedback to keep the project headed where it needs to go. You don't just clam up and hope for the best. Your point is good though, the mappers should have responded to community feedback and had plenty of chance to do so, but from what I've heard they thought they were doing what Valve wanted.
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Dec 9, 2014 18:43
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Fishbus posted:That said, all the decent mappers have gone elsewhere, after cosmetics/weapon stuff came out mappers realized they may be getting a shorter end of the proverbial community backed money stick. ScorpioUprising posted:I think you guys might be slightly underestimating the payout that you get when a map goes official. When Valve bought Standin and Process, I was expecting two thousand per map (going off what I heard mangy mention when they bought Yukon). It was actually seven thousand per map, a sweet fourteen right away. At the time I was super worried about having to find another job to make ends meet, and that pretty much resolved it immediately, and I could spend the next six months working on TF2 maps.
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TiCK posted:The fact that people waited for months for this is just incredible. A weapon focused update with 1 reskin. No map. A 4.99$ cosmetic and a bunch of crates. Even the video itself was awful compared to Expiration Date. I take issue with the last thing. What, exactly where you expecting? I thought the video was pretty good. Not good enough to devote an update to, but still. It's unreasonable to expect it to shape up to one made by people who have been working with these models and the tool used to animate them for years with more development time and original voice acting.
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Dec 9, 2014 19:01
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Ariong posted:I take issue with the last thing. What, exactly where you expecting? I thought the video was pretty good. Not good enough to devote an update to, but still. It's unreasonable to expect it to shape up to one made by people who have been working with these models and the tool used to animate them for years with more development time and original voice acting. People have insane expectations of valve and tf2 for some reason. They honestly expect that valve would have hired voice actors, modelers, etc just to improve a tf2 community event. I'm sure valves' logic was a lot closer to "look how little work we'll have to do but we get to add something fun to tf2 lets do it" and it seems people here would have rather not gotten anything if it wasn't "good enough."
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