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ActusRhesus posted:seriously. The "legal justification" for it was just...wow. Don't get me wrong...the guy was an rear end in a top hat. But jeez. talk about lovely precedent. the fifth amendment provides does not distinguish between citizen and non-citizen
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The cool part is when we raped people and no one will ever, ever be tried for it.
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Accretionist posted:The past is a foreign country. This is here and now. Well then the anal-feedings occurred in a foreign country then! Obama stopped them remember.
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Trabisnikof posted:What presidents other than Carter would you place on the list of "not complicit with the grossest crimes imaginable" or is the butt part worse than everything else ever? You're right in that pretty much every postwar (at least) president is arguably a war criminal but I'm not entirely sure why it's relevant.
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Dec 10, 2014 06:26
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American's don't care about brown Muslim dudes being tortured. It's only an issue if it is a hot white woman or a well-off well-to-do white guy.
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fits my needs posted:American's don't care about brown Muslim dudes being tortured. It's only an issue if it is a hot white woman or a well-off well-to-do white guy. or cute animals.
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TEAYCHES posted:The cool part is when we raped people and no one will ever, ever be tried for it. that's pretty much true of most rapes perpetrated by private citizens too tho
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When lightning struck my Cards Against Humanity game, I didn't realize a Freaky Friday situation would occur where reality would mimic my obnoxious and obscene Apples To Apples ripoff. Sorry everybody.
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rockopete posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PgIKAukheo#t=251 Mary mother of fuckballs there is nothing not horrible in that.
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TheOneOutside posted:Mary mother of fuckballs there is nothing not horrible in that. Yea but North Korea
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Dec 10, 2014 06:56
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Debate and Discussion: We Threatened to Rape Some Folks' Moms
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Tezzor posted:Debate and Discussion: We Threatened to Rape Some Folks' Moms Then raped them instead and told them we had to kill them so the world doesn't find out about it.
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Dec 10, 2014 07:02
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At least they released the report. Not that anything will come of it, but at least future generations will know how morally bankrupt the CIA and the American government acted.
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At the beginning of the 21st century, you mean.
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Barlow posted:At least they released the report. Not that anything will come of it, but at least future generations will know how morally bankrupt the CIA and the American government acted. We knew how morally bankrupt the CIA was when it covertly funneled arms and money to reactionary paramilitaries after Iran-Contra, and if I recall correctly that knowledge created the political will to prevent such mistakes since then.
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The White House doesn't want to hurt the morale of the CIA through these trying times. CIA functionaries: you are immoral pieces of poo poo who tortured innocent people and it was ineffective preventing future terrorism. You are evil fucks and you belong in jail.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:We knew how morally bankrupt the CIA was when it covertly funneled arms and money to reactionary paramilitaries after Iran-Contra, and if I recall correctly that knowledge created the political will to prevent such mistakes since then. I'm beginning to see why most Americans just throw up their hands and change the channel rather than get politically involved. Nothing ever changes.
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TEAYCHES posted:The White House doesn't want to hurt the morale of the CIA through these trying times. Seriously. Whenever I hear that the White House is worried about a leak or w/e because it'll endanger CIA operatives somewhere my reaction at this point is: "So?"
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TEAYCHES posted:I voted for Obama twice. Ha ha, you voted for Obama after he explicitly refused to investigate (let alone prosecute) exactly what this report is about.
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http://time.com/3626957/yoo-senate-torture-report-feinstein/ God this is so good
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Torture Apologist John Yoo posted:You have little information on future attacks, but you know that the enemy will employ unconventional tactics that violate the very laws of war. 
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To the surprise of absolutely no one.
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i've gotten drinks with yoo and he is still utterly unrepentant so this doesn't surprise me at all. still good conversation-haver tho
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TEAYCHES posted:What's the statute of limitations on torture? Morally there is none and why should we give a gently caress about what the law says it is?
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"Telling the truth is a form of accountability" Jesus loving Christ
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Orange Devil posted:Morally there is none and why should we give a gently caress about what the law says it is? In international law there is explicitly no statute of limitations on torture, and it's a crime of general jurisdiction, so other countries can prosecute torturers they catch. If nothing else, none of the torture enablers will be able to travel internationally for the rest of their lives.
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So clearly this is all pretty terrible, but I'll say one thing. Even though it's only a very small percentage of our functioning government who put together this report, you have to at least have a tinge of hope that there are people in the government who put in the work to get this out. You know that there couldn't have been many people actively helping them, and poo poo, it's gotta be hard to work on something like this when about 99% of everyone you work with/for doesn't want you to do it.
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SedanChair posted:John Yoo should be executed. On the White House lawn, live.
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The more I read, the more I wonder if this is the next Watergate.
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District Selectman posted:So clearly this is all pretty terrible, but I'll say one thing. Even though it's only a very small percentage of our functioning government who put together this report, you have to at least have a tinge of hope that there are people in the government who put in the work to get this out. You know that there couldn't have been many people actively helping them, and poo poo, it's gotta be hard to work on something like this when about 99% of everyone you work with/for doesn't want you to do it. Well, I'd take more hope if it weren't that the only reason this all came out is, as best I can tell, because the CIA was dumb enough to get into a pissing match with the Senate Intelligence Committee.
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District Selectman posted:The more I read, the more I wonder if this is the next Watergate. You're cute.
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hobbesmaster posted:You're cute. Yeah, it seems optimistic, but keep in mind that Watergate did not start off as anything major at all. It took years to simmer and right up until the end, it didn't appear anything would come of it.
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Chamale posted:Throughout our history, the United States of America has done more than any other nation to stand up for freedom, democracy, and the inherent dignity and human rights of people around the world. The CIA used its enhanced interrogation techniques despite warnings from CIA medical personnel. Since the horrific attacks of 9/11, these public servants have worked tirelessly to devastate core al Qaeda, deliver justice to Osama bin Laden, disrupt terrorist operations and thwart terrorist attacks. CIA officers also threatened at least three detainees with harm to their families— to include threats to harm the children of a detainee, threats to sexually abuse the mother of a detainee, and a threat to "cut [a detainee's] mother's throat". Our intelligence professionals are patriots, and we are safer because of their heroic service and sacrifices. We need a new Hate Baking thread.
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District Selectman posted:The more I read, the more I wonder if this is the next Watergate. There won't be any more Watergates.
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Barlow posted:At least they released the report. Not that anything will come of it, but at least future generations will know how morally bankrupt the CIA and the American government acted. The full report is 6,700 pages. The general public has only been given a fraction of the full report. This is piecemeal damage control. Future generations will probably just shrug their shoulders. "Yeah, america was hosed up back then...Vice President Dick Cheney used to hang out at the COBALT site and masturbate furiously." On with the Imperium. E; "Hey Ambassador, don't tell the locals about this". "Hey Locals, don't tell the Embassy about this". prepare for some rectal and bondage play with Dick Chainy 
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SedanChair posted:John Yoo should be executed. I'd be willing to compromise for "tried under Nuremberg principles, found guilty, sentenced to death, have sentence changed to life in prison on humanitarian grounds, let out of prison once medical professionals determine he's about to die anyway". We have room for this fucker in the prison in Scheveningen where we put the other war criminals and I'd be so loving happy paying my taxes every year knowing it's funding this fucks imprisonment you'd have no idea.
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Unhinged Vulcan posted:The full report is 6,700 pages. The general public has only been given a fraction of the full report. This is piecemeal damage control. Future generations will probably just shrug their shoulders. "Yeah, america was hosed up back then...Vice President Dick Cheney used to hang out at the COBALT site and masturbate furiously." 200 years from now, the space-blogs of the space-future will be filled with people posting at each other about how President [it's actually hard to think of a less likely Presidential Name than Barack Hussein Obama] may be bad, but at least she isn't a torturer!
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