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Oberleutnant posted:This isn't some bourgeois esoteric cuisine - you literally throw some noodles, chopped peppers and (if you like) some prawns or diced chicken or whatever into a hot pan for less than five minutes and then dump them all onto a plate together. I think you're speaking from a position of enormous privilege. Reality check: some people aren't as capable of cooking as you are.
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Pissflaps posted:I think you're speaking from a position of enormous privilege. Reality check: some people aren't as capable of cooking as you are. If you're not capable of using simple household utensils you're probably not fully capable of living alone to begin with and should have regular assistance from somebody who can cook for you.
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Oberleutnant posted:If you're not capable of using simple household utensils you're probably not fully capable of living alone to begin with and should have regular assistance from somebody who can cook for you. Agreed poors should be in specially designed homes where their meals are provided maybe they could be encouraged to exercise for a few hours each day as well they could stay there for a few years at a time
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chuggo is BACK posted:Agreed poors should be in specially designed homes where their meals are provided I didn't say poors should be in homes - I said people incapable of using a frying pan (implying mental or physical incapacity) should receive care assistance to allow them to live a life which includes such things as eating hot food without resorting to fast food as a staple. But gj getting your panties in a bunch. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Pissflaps posted:I think you're speaking from a position of enormous privilege. Reality check: some people aren't as capable of cooking as you are. Yeah this. First off I don't think cooking is a complex artform, but it's more work than people make it out to be. Lets say I make a pasta dish like Jamie suggests, lets say something really basic. I heat up my pan on my hotplate, add the tomato puree, some water, a pinch of salt and some pepper, mix it up and let it simmer for a bit while stirring it to keep it from burning. After ten minutes I add my peas and cook it a bit more, taste it and do any adjustments to make sure it tastes ok and put it aside, this took about twenty minutes. I put my pot of water on the hotplate with a pinch of salt and turn up the heat. Twenty minutes later my water is boiling, I add the pasta and cook it for eight minutes and then drain it in the sink. My sauce is a bit cold now so I heat it back up and add the pasta, after about ten minutes everything is heated and ready. I eat my dinner then go and wash the pan, pot, plate and both cooking and eating utensils, this takes fifteen or twenty minutes. That's an hour and fifteen minutes or so spent cooking and cleaning up afterwards. When you compare that too a quick trip for something ready-made or something you can just toss in the microwave it's no wonder that many choose the easy way out, especially when they have worked all day and are dead tired. I won't cook if I'm dead tired, I'm fine with a knife even if I'm half asleep but I'm likely to burn myself cooking like that. I'm lucky that I have the time to cook, I'm not going to blame someone in a worse situation for not having the time and energy to cook.
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Dabir posted:VAT to 15%, remove the stupid hot/cold food distinction that never gets enforced anyway from what I can tell. Make up the difference by taxing people's hordes, say 5% per year on any liquid assets past the first £500,000. unlike the NZ Greens, the England Greens are still in the middle of the rocky transition from radical party to party that has MPs and councils. In particular they're not very good at message control and internal party discipline, which predictably leads to members running their mouths off wanting to ban things whilst engaging in publicly-aired internal accusations of authoritarianism ronya fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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grauniad_does_austerity.txt http://www.theguardian.com/money/blog/2014/dec/06/cleaner-employ-sack-cleaning-schedule-rows quote:A pay cut means we have had to sack our cleaner to save the £25 a week she cost, but, a month on, nothing’s being cleaned and the house is starting to resemble a squat. We set aside two hours on a Saturday morning but it’s not happening. How do other couples divvy up the cleaning without major rows?
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Carrier posted:I put my pot of water on the hotplate with a pinch of salt and turn up the heat. Twenty minutes later my water is boiling, I add the pasta If you're not using the kettle you're doing it wrong 
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LemonDrizzle posted:grauniad_does_austerity.txt wanna bet that the Guardian letter-writer could easily earn £25 in those two hours?
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KKKlean Energy posted:If you're not using the kettle you're doing it wrong Not everyone owns a kettle, check your privilege
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Carrier posted:Yeah this. First off I don't think cooking is a complex artform, but it's more work than people make it out to be. Lets say I make a pasta dish like Jamie suggests, lets say something really basic. I heat up my pan on my hotplate, add the tomato puree, some water, a pinch of salt and some pepper, mix it up and let it simmer for a bit while stirring it to keep it from burning. After ten minutes I add my peas and cook it a bit more, taste it and do any adjustments to make sure it tastes ok and put it aside, this took about twenty minutes. I put my pot of water on the hotplate with a pinch of salt and turn up the heat. Twenty minutes later my water is boiling, I add the pasta and cook it for eight minutes and then drain it in the sink. My sauce is a bit cold now so I heat it back up and add the pasta, after about ten minutes everything is heated and ready. I eat my dinner then go and wash the pan, pot, plate and both cooking and eating utensils, this takes fifteen or twenty minutes. What the christ. How does it take you an hour and a half to make a bowl of pasta?
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serious gaylord posted:What the christ. How does it take you an hour and a half to make a bowl of pasta? see, if we taxed takeaway food at 100% the local soviet could use the revenue to supply carers to assist people like this.
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Dec 10, 2014 15:17
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I'm a culinary retard but i can follow the instructions on the back of the packet.
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Cooking just about always takes longer than however long you think it'll take, unless you use pre-prepared vegetables etc which cost more (I spent half an hour dicing a butternut squash once). Back in the days when I worked full time, then had to collect the kids from after school club it was 6 by the time we got home and anything that couldn't be stuck on to cook with minimal overseeing while I sorted the kids homework and stuff like that was pretty much out of the question. I can completely understand how people get into the habit of buying something on the way home - it's just the easiest way to tick another chore off the list. We don't actually have a MacDonalds here so we only have them when we go somewhere at least an hour and a half away. The result is that at least one child associates MacDonalds with travel sickness and refuses to eat them.
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Carrier posted:Yeah this. First off I don't think cooking is a complex artform, but it's more work than people make it out to be. Lets say I make a pasta dish like Jamie suggests, lets say something really basic. I heat up my pan on my hotplate, add the tomato puree, some water, a pinch of salt and some pepper, mix it up and let it simmer for a bit while stirring it to keep it from burning. After ten minutes I add my peas and cook it a bit more, taste it and do any adjustments to make sure it tastes ok and put it aside, this took about twenty minutes. I put my pot of water on the hotplate with a pinch of salt and turn up the heat. Twenty minutes later my water is boiling, I add the pasta and cook it for eight minutes and then drain it in the sink. My sauce is a bit cold now so I heat it back up and add the pasta, after about ten minutes everything is heated and ready. I eat my dinner then go and wash the pan, pot, plate and both cooking and eating utensils, this takes fifteen or twenty minutes. What sort of a crazy renegade puts peas in their pasta sauce
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hookerbot 5000 posted:(I spent half an hour dicing a butternut squash once) Were you using a spoon?
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there was once a time when socialism embraced the mass production of food as the way toward women's liberation...
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Carrier posted:Yeah this. First off I don't think cooking is a complex artform, but it's more work than people make it out to be. Lets say I make a pasta dish like Jamie suggests, lets say something really basic. I heat up my pan on my hotplate, add the tomato puree, some water, a pinch of salt and some pepper, mix it up and let it simmer for a bit while stirring it to keep it from burning. After ten minutes I add my peas and cook it a bit more, taste it and do any adjustments to make sure it tastes ok and put it aside, this took about twenty minutes. I put my pot of water on the hotplate with a pinch of salt and turn up the heat. Twenty minutes later my water is boiling, I add the pasta and cook it for eight minutes and then drain it in the sink. My sauce is a bit cold now so I heat it back up and add the pasta, after about ten minutes everything is heated and ready. I eat my dinner then go and wash the pan, pot, plate and both cooking and eating utensils, this takes fifteen or twenty minutes. I love how cookingchat descends real quick into how if poors are forced to cook they'll be burned, cut, and it will take 90 minutes to heat up pasta. plus another fifteen or twenty minutes to wash a pan, pot, plate and both cooking and eating utensils
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I've never taken my daughter to Mcdonalds.
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ronya posted:there was once a time when socialism embraced the mass production of food as the way toward women's liberation... I'm all for mass production of food. I think food should be cheap and plentiful. I don't advocate that everybody should be eating artisanal delicacies made only from fresh organic ingredients. Even if you have time for nothing other than throwing some chips and frozen chicken fillets in the oven, and a pot of peas on the stove, it's better than a loving pizza for the 5th night running.
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ronya posted:there was once a time when socialism embraced the mass production of food as the way toward women's liberation... Still does as far as I'm aware, Cuba still offers canteen services to the public and while there's a shift away from explicitly discussing it I imagine the communal setting it provides everyone would rank highly amongst the left unless its totally hosed up and becomes just another soup kitchen.
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Pissflaps posted:I've never taken my daughter to Mcdonalds. She can only be what, four months now? Dakha posted:I love how cookingchat descends real quick into how if poors are forced to cook they'll be burned, cut, and it will take 90 minutes to heat up pasta. And on the other side people saying cooking takes less time to get a take away (which in my case is true but if you pass a drive through on the way home then almost definitely not). There's a middle ground between the two.
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hookerbot 5000 posted:She can only be what, four months now? She's watched me eat a parmo.
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hookerbot 5000 posted:(I spent half an hour dicing a butternut squash once). quote:What sort of a crazy renegade puts peas in their pasta sauce
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There's not just cooking times but if you want to do things to a decent budget you also need to plan your meals and shop around that. If you just got in from long lovely shift, the prospect of working out a meal plan and then hiking down to Lidl with a list frankly pales in comparison to ordering a steaming chicken Dhansak and a garlic naan on the way home. I cook a lot because I'm lucky to have the time, and because I enjoy the poo poo out of it. No-one should be made to feel poo poo, or to blame for their financial situation if they don't like cooking or if they don't have the time to plan/buy/cook meals. Pissflaps posted:I've never taken my daughter to Mcdonalds. Same. Burger King are far superior if you are going for processed americana imho
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serious gaylord posted:Were you using a spoon? A butter knife, obvs
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DesperateDan posted:There's not just cooking times but if you want to do things to a decent budget you also need to plan your meals and shop around that. If you just got in from long lovely shift, the prospect of working out a meal plan and then hiking down to Lidl with a list frankly pales in comparison to ordering a steaming chicken Dhansak and a garlic naan on the way home. I go shopping on the same day every week and plan all my meals over the week so I know what to buy, and that way I can take advantage of supermarket multibuy options like 3 for 2 etc. It just requires some forward thinking. If you know you're paid every friday, go shopping on saturday.
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serious gaylord posted:I go shopping on the same day every week and plan all my meals over the week so I know what to buy, and that way I can take advantage of supermarket multibuy options like 3 for 2 etc. It just requires some forward thinking. If you know you're paid every friday, go shopping on saturday. check your forward planning privilege. not everybody is as capable of thinking as you. The only way to ensure the poor don't starve en masse is to pump McDonalds directly into our face holes via feeding tubes every 6 hours.
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serious gaylord posted:I go shopping on the same day every week and plan all my meals over the week so I know what to buy, and that way I can take advantage of supermarket multibuy options like 3 for 2 etc. It just requires some forward thinking. If you know you're paid every friday, go shopping on saturday. To do this you need: * Time * Transport * Storage * Numeracy skills * Self confidence * Money Notwithstanding any phobias/conditions that prevent many people even leaving the house never mind entering a supermarket. Yes, it would be nice if everyone could do this, but please don't forget that for many people you might as well ask them to walk on the moon. Hell, you can order a 16" hawaiian pizza from your smartphone these days and you dont have to say a word to anyone or leave your home.
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Or I dunno get them to order their groceries online and have them delivered
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Pissflaps posted:I think you're speaking from a position of enormous privilege. Reality check: some people aren't as capable of cooking as you are. you are from Middlesbrough. the fattest place in the known galaxy. in fact scientific studies have shown that the super massive black hole at the centre of our galaxy is actually situated in Middlesbrough.
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Pissflaps posted:To do this you need: i love how u troll this thread A++ would read again
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Dakha posted:Or I dunno get them to order their groceries online and have them delivered The digital divide called it wants to know what you're smoking. JFairfax posted:you are from Middlesbrough. This is untrue and also racist.
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Zephro posted:QFT. The only quick way to dice a butternut squash is with a chainsaw or a lightsaber. Or buy a bigger knife. My £15 Sabatier from TK Maxx works for absolutely everything I need; the number of people I see desperately sawing and hacking at things with a tiny little knife makes me want to cry.
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Pissflaps posted:The digital divide called it wants to know what you're smoking. Err...? Pissflaps posted:Hell, you can order a 16" hawaiian pizza from your smartphone these days and you dont have to say a word to anyone or leave your home. Dakha fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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JFairfax posted:you are from Middlesbrough. the telegraph recently explained that teesside is a blighted hellscape patrolled by feral gangs where houses only cost £9k and come with complimentary firebombings http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11279992/The-cheapest-street-in-Britain-Houses-for-5000-each.html
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Endjinneer posted:Building Information Modelling. The government has mandated that all public sector civil engineering has to be produced using BIM by 2016. BIM means you create an intelligent asset database during design. Everyone's design (civils, mechanical, electrical, HVAC, architects, the acoustic model, the thermal model) works off this monstrously clever database. Thank you very much indeed!
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LemonDrizzle posted:the telegraph recently explained that teesside is a blighted hellscape patrolled by feral gangs where houses only cost £9k and come with complimentary firebombings The Telegraph also reveals that Middlesbrough is far from the fattest town in England, never mind 'the galaxy'.
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Pissflaps posted:To do this you need: Given any particular situation, you can come up with a person who has a special combination of disabilities, mental and physical, that means they can't do X. We're talking about the members of the general population who are on approximately minimum wage, have little disposable income, and eat like poo poo. That's it. Not someone who lives at the top of Snowdonia, has a wheelchair with only one working battery and can't take doses of sunlight for more than 5 minutes without burning to a crisp.
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