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Iny posted:So, what are people's guesses on the DLC's "new game mode that will almost double the amount of things you can do"? Arena mode or something similarly lovely.
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All floors are XL floors, do the same number of floors despite that. Which would make the game super easy since you would be swimming in pickups by the tough floors.
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Dec 10, 2014 17:08
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Sloober posted:All floors are XL floors, do the same number of floors despite that. I would unironically love a challenge/seed that did that.
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Dec 10, 2014 17:09
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Alkydere posted:I would unironically love a challenge/seed that did that. A seed sure but the challenge would, really, not qualify as a challenge given that many pickups would make it super easy.
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Dec 10, 2014 17:12
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Sloober posted:A seed sure but the challenge would, really, not qualify as a challenge given that many pickups would make it super easy. As if Good with Computers and Slow Roll really count as challenges?  Or make it Purist 2.0 and have no item rooms in those XL floors.
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Dec 10, 2014 17:13
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this makes me wonder, can special seeds show up randomly?
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Dec 10, 2014 17:15
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I want to see a D4 challenge. You can't replace it, and it automatically activates every time it has a charge. Think your loadouts good? You got six rooms to make it to the boss. Also, don't pick up batteries.
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Dec 10, 2014 17:16
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Davincie posted:this makes me wonder, can special seeds show up randomly? I don't see why not but the odds are probably insanely low given the number of permutations for the seed generator. Alkydere posted:As if Good with Computers and Slow Roll really count as challenges? That is pretty true. Heffer posted:I want to see a D4 challenge. You can't replace it, and it automatically activates every time it has a charge. Think your loadouts good? You got six rooms to make it to the boss. Also, don't pick up batteries. Last time I had the D4 it broke and stripped all my items away after it triggered lord of the flies. Consecutive uses after that did nothing and I was locked to just the fly form with no special abilities.
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Dec 10, 2014 17:17
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There was also a challenge in the original Isaac that just started you out with Dr. Fetus (which was really strong back then). So yeah, challenges don't necessarily need to be challenging.
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Dec 10, 2014 17:21
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Power of Pecota posted:Does anyone have a seed with an early Libra/Soy Milk? I want to try it out but when both items are absolute rear end without the other ehhhhh From the Wiki page on Libra: quote:PC: FJGQ 16DZ (first floor treasure room not adjacent to spawn; second floor treasure room contains soy milk for synergy.) Libra works really well with special items in general. It drastically reduces the charge time for Brimstone, Ipecac, Mutant Spider and Monstro's Lung without nerfing their damage too much.
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Dec 10, 2014 17:30
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Sloober posted:Last time I had the D4 it broke and stripped all my items away after it triggered lord of the flies. Consecutive uses after that did nothing and I was locked to just the fly form with no special abilities. The D4 doesn't put the items it overwrites back into rotation so after it exhausts the pool it'll re-roll Breakfast forever.
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Dec 10, 2014 17:30
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AnonSpore posted:There was also a challenge in the original Isaac that just started you out with Dr. Fetus (which was really strong back then). So yeah, challenges don't necessarily need to be challenging. Glass Cannon in Rebith starts you with Epic Fetus and is probably the easiest challenge of the lot.
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Dec 10, 2014 18:03
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AnonSpore posted:There was also a challenge in the original Isaac that just started you out with Dr. Fetus (which was really strong back then). So yeah, challenges don't necessarily need to be challenging. I was excited to use Dr. Fetus in this, but it's pretty bad if you get it first thing, which I have both times I've seen it.
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Dec 10, 2014 18:09
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Manatee Cannon posted:Glass Cannon in Rebith starts you with Epic Fetus and is probably the easiest challenge of the lot. Glass Cannon is a blast and is one of my favorite challenges. After a string of losses, it's fun sometimes to just roll over everything unopposed
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Dec 10, 2014 18:11
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Justin_Brett posted:I was excited to use Dr. Fetus in this, but it's pretty bad if you get it first thing, which I have both times I've seen it. It's actually still great early on because having it lets you get every tinted treasure rock and every secret room when you're normally scrounging for bombs early on. Then when you run into an actually hard boss you use your real bombs that you've been saving up on it. President Ark fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Manatee Cannon posted:Glass Cannon in Rebith starts you with Epic Fetus and is probably the easiest challenge of the lot. You can kill yourself pretty easily. Computer Savvy gives you a run winning combo off the bat, and you have full health. e: Speaking of challenges, I just finished my last one! When Life Gives you Lemons gave me the most trouble, somehow. It just wasn't interesting like the others. Though Cat Got Your Tongue took a long time since constantly going WASDWASDWASD ended up hurting my wrist.
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Dec 10, 2014 18:17
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Does the Book of Belial affect Mom's Knife at all? I could pick up Krampus' Head but I dunno. I'm Eve so I guess the devil deals are more important anyway.TheModernAmerican posted:You can kill yourself pretty easily. Computer Savvy gives you a run winning combo off the bat, and you have full health. You can also kill pretty much everything else even easier. You may start with one heart, but nothing but bosses will survive a hit for quite a long time.
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Dec 10, 2014 18:18
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Manatee Cannon posted:Does the Book of Belial affect Mom's Knife at all? I could pick up Krampus' Head but I dunno. I'm Eve so I guess the devil deals are more important anyway. Belial will affect mom's knife, since damage increases work on it. Krampus's head on the other hand is a boss killer all on its own so I would probably get the head instead of book.
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Dec 10, 2014 18:35
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Manatee Cannon posted:You can also kill pretty much everything else even easier. You may start with one heart, but nothing but bosses will survive a hit for quite a long time. You also get at least one guaranteed soul heart per floor by virtue of the Top Secret room, plus all that other stuff (free items by getting into every Retro Treasure room, free cash/items from regular Secret Rooms, free stuff from pots/mushrooms/skulls, one-shotting every enemy with your perfectly-controllable airstrikes, being able to do so from behind cover no matter where the enemy is...) The skill-barrier of Family Man means you pretty much can't fail at Glass Cannon.
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Dec 10, 2014 19:31
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Spiffo posted:You also get at least one guaranteed soul heart per floor by virtue of the Top Secret room, plus all that other stuff (free items by getting into every Retro Treasure room, free cash/items from regular Secret Rooms, free stuff from pots/mushrooms/skulls, one-shotting every enemy with your perfectly-controllable airstrikes, being able to do so from behind cover no matter where the enemy is...) Wait how does one get one free guaranteed soul heart per Super Secret room?
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Dec 10, 2014 19:57
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Vic Boss posted:Wait how does one get one free guaranteed soul heart per Super Secret room? You don't. A Soul Heart is by no means guaranteed. You can also get a Sin Heart. Or a bunch of red hearts. Or something else. But the hearts are way more common it seems.
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Dec 10, 2014 20:02
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IGgy IGsen posted:You don't. A Soul Heart is by no means guaranteed. You can also get a Sin Heart. Or a bunch of red hearts. Or something else. But the hearts are way more common it seems. Yeah that's what I was thinking.
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IGgy IGsen posted:You don't. A Soul Heart is by no means guaranteed. You can also get a Sin Heart. Or a bunch of red hearts. Or something else. But the hearts are way more common it seems. Oh yeah, I guess rarely it can contain a bunch of red hearts. But pretty much every time I ever go into the Super Secret room it's been a soul heart (either the blue or black variety).
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Dec 10, 2014 20:30
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Spiffo posted:Oh yeah, I guess rarely it can contain a bunch of red hearts. But pretty much every time I ever go into the Super Secret room it's been a soul heart (either the blue or black variety). Even if what you were saying had some statistical basis, "most of the time, this happens" is a long long way from "every time, this happens".
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Dec 10, 2014 20:41
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Sometimes you start with Ludovico+20/20+hefty DMG and you still throw it all away for Epic Fetus. Why all these good things appeared on the same run, I'll never know.
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Dec 10, 2014 20:43
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Cryohazard posted:Arena mode or something similarly lovely. 
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Dec 10, 2014 20:43
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Looks like patch 1.031 is out"Patch 1.031 posted:Other than that, expect a lot of minor bugfixes and some balancing fixes. Does anyone know where I could find out what those bugfixes and balancing fixes actually are, or will I just have to wait on the community to figure it out?
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Even if what you were saying had some statistical basis, "most of the time, this happens" is a long long way from "every time, this happens". I'll correct it: In addition to all the retro treasure rooms, free cash/items from regular secret rooms, free stuff from free stuff from pots/mushrooms/skulls, one-shotting every enemy with your perfectly-controllable airstrikes, being able to do so from behind cover no matter where the enemy is, MOST OF THE TIME you'll get a free soul heart which is yet another cool perk that makes Glass Cannon pretty easy.
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Dec 10, 2014 20:45
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Super Secret rooms can have: - 5 pills - 1 trinket - 1 fortune telling machine - 8 red hearts (with only red hearts spawnable in the room, such as if you have Dark Bum to exchange them, for example) - 1 red chest - 1 eternal heart - 1 black heart (with only black hearts spawnable in the room, such as if you use The Lovers within). Often worth going to the Super Secret in my opinion, but vanilla Secret is usually more worth it. E: Also for what it's worth I think a trinket/item that makes tinted rocks more visible is a horrible idea. After you see a tinted rock variant in each of the levels, it is pretty easy to tell where they all are. Heck, even Womb now has x-marked clots.
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GenericGirlName posted:Looks like patch 1.031 is out quote:Improve Steam Cloud sync
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Dec 10, 2014 20:48
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Here's some known changes.quote:Improve Steam Cloud sync Well I hope anyone that was trying to do The Lost wasn't reliant on the Holy Mantle. ^ 
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Dec 10, 2014 20:49
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These changes all suck
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Dec 10, 2014 20:52
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Xenogenesis posted:From Reddit: Dr. Fetus posted:Here's some known changes. Thanks! I hope the "dark bum mechanics" one means that he can drop the correct kind of hearts in super secret rooms full of hearts. EDIT: Yea other than that they all suck. I was enjoying the challenge + seed bug heh
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Dec 10, 2014 20:55
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Xenogenesis posted:From Reddit: Excited for the Hard Mode drop rate change. Scared of the Dark Bum mechanics change and what that may entail.
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GenericGirlName posted:Thanks! I hope the "dark bum mechanics" one means that he can drop the correct kind of hearts in super secret rooms full of hearts. 
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Dec 10, 2014 20:56
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Snazzy Frocks posted:These changes all suck I'll probably like the Hard Mode changes, but I really only play Isaac to pick up items. Also D20 breaks actually working now objectively owns
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Dec 10, 2014 21:01
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The flies halo limited to 10 probably means you wont be able to maintain a legion of flies between rooms. Changes suck.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:06
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drat it, I was going to say that. I'm going to miss lasers spewing out tons of flies as Guppy. 
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Dec 10, 2014 21:07
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Meh, any run where I'm able to amass more than 10 flies at a time has been one where I ran over everything anyway. Its' still 20 tear's worth of damage.
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Ed needs to stop listening to his fans about balance. I'm peeved that now I'm going to wear out my r key, because the item room has items not compatible with the lost.
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