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Guavanaut posted:la nueva burguesía Kill the capitalist oppressors!
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Just in case anyone was wondering, my post from earlier was a copy-paste from the last time food got discussed in this thread and it is a post that still makes me laff to this day. Namaste.
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Dec 10, 2014 19:16
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tooterfish posted:30 years after I stopped licking the middle out of custard creams and throwing away the biscuits they bring this poo poo out? 
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Dec 10, 2014 19:16
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Spangly A posted:check your non-stoned privilege please. Er, more like check your fun-haver privilege. V. Illych L. posted:this is the weirdest loving thread Welcome to the UK. Anyway to briefly resume obesity chat; check this out http://www.hscic.gov.uk/catalogue/PUB13648/Obes-phys-acti-diet-eng-2014-rep.pdf Key findings: There was however a marked increase in the proportion that were obese, a proportion that has gradually increased over the period from 13.2% in 1993 to 24.4% in 2012 for men and from 16.4% to 25.1% for women The proportions that were overweight including obese increased from 57.6% to 66.6% in men and from 48.6% to 57.2% in women between 1993 and 2012. The HSE 2012 report shows that there were very little differences in mean BMI by equivalised household income for men; in contrast for women, those in the lower income quintiles had a higher mean BMI than women in the higher quintiles. For women, the proportions who were obese were higher in the lowest income quintiles (ranging from 24%-26%)and lower in the highest quintiles (ranging from 13%-17%). For both men and women,being 'most at risk' was positively associated with: age; being an ex-cigarette smoker; self-perceptions of not eating healthily; not being physically active; and hypertension. Income was also associated with being 'most at risk‟, with a positive association for men and a negative association for women. Additionally, among women only, moderate alcohol consumption was negatively associated with being 'most at risk.‟ While overall purchases of fruit and vegetables reduced between 2009 and 2012, consumers spent 8.3 per cent more on fresh and processed vegetables and 11.7 per cent more on fresh and processed fruit. Basically all men and poor women are putting on weight and you can talk about cheap healthy food all you want but it seems that people are paying more for fruit and veg and getting less of it (most people suck at getting their 5 a day as well), while the fact that self-perceptions of not eating healthily is positively associated with high risk means that the problem isn't ignorance about what the effects of what they're eating are, its opportunities for improvement of that food which simply berating them about their current consumption habits won't resolve.
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Dec 10, 2014 19:19
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namesake posted:While overall purchases of fruit and vegetables reduced between 2009 and 2012, consumers spent 8.3 per cent more on fresh and processed vegetables and 11.7 per cent more on fresh and processed fruit. Supermarket fruit and veg is hilariously expensive, especially from the Metro/Express style of 'local' supermarket. There's a fresh fruit and veg stand opposite my local sainsbury that sells stuff at literally half the price, and you can buy everything in much smaller quantities instead of the 'you want a lemon? Here's 6' prepackaged shite. TFL want to close down the fruit and veg stall because they're bastards: http://www.camdennewjournal.com/wahaca-promise-fruit-bowl-kentish-town
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Dec 10, 2014 19:25
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Rain Temple posted:You're not alone. I do the same. (Well, except for the occasional rare dominos treat which there's nothing wrong with.) Averages out at about £20 each for 8 or nine days' worth of meals for 2 people as well. I get a ridiculous amount of pleasure from managing to stretch one items over 2 or 3 meals (you can make, separately, jacket potatoes, quesadillas and soup if you get one bag of sweet potatoes). If I didn't plan all out all our meals like that I know we'd be spending so much more. I also couldn't cook a single thing before I got married and had to learn it all via cookbooks, internet and my husband so I guess it's definitely possible to learn how to cook from no knowledge whatsoever. Sainsbury. I could save more money by going a bit further and going to asda or aldi. All of those meals require about 20 minutes of attention too. Bar The Sunday roast but that's max half an hour.
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Dec 10, 2014 19:27
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tentish klown posted:Supermarket fruit and veg is hilariously expensive, especially from the Metro/Express style of 'local' supermarket. There's a fresh fruit and veg stand opposite my local sainsbury that sells stuff at literally half the price, and you can buy everything in much smaller quantities instead of the 'you want a lemon? Here's 6' prepackaged shite. I don't understand why everyone doesnt become buskers and get free fruit from friendly marketpeople who like that you increase their trade?
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Dec 10, 2014 19:34
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Spangly A posted:I don't understand why everyone doesnt become buskers and get free fruit from friendly marketpeople who like that you increase their trade? There's a slightly depressing argument being put forward by people called the near zero marginal cost society which admits that increased automation and decentralisation of production will mean the end of regular employment for most people but they'll still be able earn a living through the 'social commons' which pretty much means becoming musicians and writers of terrible fiction and selling it over the internet. They try and put a positive spin on that last part but that's what it amounts to.
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Dec 10, 2014 19:39
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serious gaylord posted:Well I mean from memory So I've just edited that shopping list for shops within walking distance of my house, including the Tesco Express that has driven the nice little supermarket that used to at least sell fresh fruit and veg out of business. The Tesco Express does have a produce section, but it's basically empty most of the time apart from some very suspicious-looking pre-packaged fruit. If I wanted most of those things it would mean a half-hour bus ride to the Asda, then half hour back, and that lot doesn't look like it'd be very easy to carry on a bus while also looking after a small child. It's great that you're able to get these things relatively easily but your experience is not universal and it's something that gets harder the poorer the area you live in, especially outside large urban areas (and guess where generations of incompetent and/or malicious housing policy have left the poor living?) I personally have never subscribed to the "poor people can't cook" theory - but I do know a lot of people who just don't get the opportunity because of the lack of local shops (something that rapidly becomes a vicious cycle of course, because the less people buying fresh food the less incentives shops have to sell it, until you get to the point we have in my area where even quite big supermarkets sell nothing but ready meals). goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Dec 10, 2014 19:42
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At £40 a week serious gaylord is clearly bourgeois scum, my wife and I make do on £30. We generally base our meals around Quorn mince or chicken chunks, in the form of pasta bolognese, chilli con carne, or curry. (We do have Sunday roasts at her parents' house though.)
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Dec 10, 2014 20:05
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Kegluneq posted:(We do have Sunday roasts at her parents' house though.) Kulak, eh?
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namesake posted:There's a slightly depressing argument being put forward by people called the near zero marginal cost society which admits that increased automation and decentralisation of production will mean the end of regular employment for most people but they'll still be able earn a living through the 'social commons' which pretty much means becoming musicians and writers of terrible fiction and selling it over the internet. if you add mincome this is socialist paradise tho Kegluneq posted:At £40 a week serious gaylord is clearly bourgeois scum, my wife and I make do on £30. We generally base our meals around Quorn mince or chicken chunks, in the form of pasta bolognese, chilli con carne, or curry. (We do have Sunday roasts at her parents' house though.) yeah 4x an actual food budget is hilariously detached but that might be the point.
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Dec 10, 2014 20:47
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So I've just edited that shopping list for shops within walking distance of my house, including the Tesco Express that has driven the nice little supermarket that used to at least sell fresh fruit and veg out of business. The Tesco Express does have a produce section, but it's basically empty most of the time apart from some very suspicious-looking pre-packaged fruit. If I wanted most of those things it would mean a half-hour bus ride to the Asda, then half hour back, and that lot doesn't look like it'd be very easy to carry on a bus while also looking after a small child. It's great that you're able to get these things relatively easily but your experience is not universal and it's something that gets harder the poorer the area you live in, especially outside large urban areas (and guess where generations of incompetent and/or malicious housing policy have left the poor living?) It took up 2 shopping bags. If an hours round trip to eat well and save money is considered too difficult I don't know what to suggest to you.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:08
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Spangly A posted:if you add mincome this is socialist paradise tho Oh yeah it's sweet that reformists are sitting down and thinking 'hmmm, yup this is a thing that will happen.' not utopian revolutionaries or anything but it's sad how they're missing all the potential bad ways that can go and just assume that people will be ok surviving on their terrible music skills and fan fiction porn without actively building any safety nets in.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:20
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Spangly A posted:yeah 4x an actual food budget is hilariously detached but that might be the point. Wait are you suggesting that knowing how much you can spend on food and planning accordingly is wrong?
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Dec 10, 2014 21:25
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serious gaylord posted:Wait are you suggesting that knowing how much you can spend on food and planning accordingly is wrong? I'm suggesting that using it as an example when the discussion stems from "poors should cook more" might in fact be out of touch grez namesake posted:Oh yeah it's sweet that reformists are sitting down and thinking 'hmmm, yup this is a thing that will happen.' not utopian revolutionaries or anything but it's sad how they're missing all the potential bad ways that can go and just assume that people will be ok surviving on their terrible music skills and fan fiction porn without actively building any safety nets in. to be fair fan fiction porn is easy as shite, I strongly recommend you read The Manipulant or at least the amazon blurb. We all disowned the guy but loving hell it's great.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:29
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I think that £20p/w per person is very reasonable and probably a good bit less than most people spend.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:30
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Spangly A posted:I'm suggesting that using it as an example when the discussion stems from "poors should cook more" might in fact be out of touch grez Oh I'm sorry, I thought the discussion was poor people don't cook very well because its so expensive and so much hassle and takes forever, so its cheaper to buy ready meals and takeaways. Except its not, really. Is it? I eat reasonably well and I do it for £20 a person and half an hour a day.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:32
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Spangly A posted:I'm suggesting that using it as an example when the discussion stems from "poors should cook more" might in fact be out of touch grez He only posted his shopping list when specifically asked to. He didn't proffer it as a guide for poors to follow.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:33
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serious gaylord posted:Oh I'm sorry, I thought the discussion was poor people don't cook very well because its so expensive and so much hassle and takes forever, so its cheaper to buy ready meals and takeaways. Nobody thinks it's cheaper unless you only go to really high end posh players, that's not the point. It takes less time and effort to drive to maccy Ds or wherever than plan and cook a meal, despite similar time use. But this is a side argument; just because people are poor doesn't mean they can't have luxuries. And fast food is one of the cheaper luxuries, and often one of very few those on the breadline can reliably afford. Oberleutnant posted:He only posted his shopping list when specifically asked to. He didn't proffer it as a guide for poors to follow. I'm not making a critique of his list or his reason to post it, I'm not even being argumentative. I'm saying that a discussion of groceries being cheaper and better, which they are, misses the point that some people won't know this, or simply choose to eat takeaway. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Dec 10, 2014 21:35
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Spangly A posted:Nobody thinks it's cheaper unless you only go to really high end posh players, that's not the point. It takes less time and effort to drive to maccy Ds or wherever than plan and cook a meal, despite similar time use. It seems cheaper because the costs aren't immediately evident, but a 5 minute fast food diet will kill you a lot quicker than stir fries and salads.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:38
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You can order a 16" Hawaiian pizza from your smartphone.
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Dinner for me tonight has been a frozen pizza with some extra grated cheese and a couple of Pepperami sliced on top. loving gourmet  I probably would have had soup, but my train was cancelled this evening because a vehicle hit a bridge on a different train line. I actually had a pavlovian 'gently caress you' response to the announcer telling us it was cancelled. Hate those loving controllers.
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serious gaylord posted:It took up 2 shopping bags. If an hours round trip to eat well and save money is considered too difficult I don't know what to suggest to you. What the gently caress kind of shopping bags does your local supermarket give out? That's at least 6 kilos of stuff and I've never seen a supermarket shopping bag that can hold more than a kilo for more than five minutes, and that's excluding the awkward/bulky stuff like the pizzas and the bread. Also it's not just the travel time and weight, it's also looking after a kid or two while you do it. Like I say, your experience is not universal, stop pretending it is.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:52
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goddamnedtwisto posted:What the gently caress kind of shopping bags does your local supermarket give out? That's at least 6 kilos of stuff and I've never seen a supermarket shopping bag that can hold more than a kilo for more than five minutes, and that's excluding the awkward/bulky stuff like the pizzas and the bread. Are you the same guy who was claiming that he didn't have the money and/ or time to take showers? I can't be arsed to go back and check but you certainly sound like him.
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Spangly A posted:might in fact be out of touch grez pardon
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Dec 10, 2014 22:00
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do not squash the bread by overloading your shopping bags I can't stress this enough, peace
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goddamnedtwisto posted:What the gently caress kind of shopping bags does your local supermarket give out? That's at least 6 kilos of stuff and I've never seen a supermarket shopping bag that can hold more than a kilo for more than five minutes, and that's excluding the awkward/bulky stuff like the pizzas and the bread. What the hell kind of shopping bags do you get? A kilo is a liter of water or two 500 ml bottles/cans/whatever. I regularly get 2 4 pint bottles of milk in one bag, and it usually takes longer then five minutes for it to disintegrate (although it won't last forever), that's more then 4 times what you're talking about.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:11
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The big ikea rip-stop bags are great for grocery shopping, FYI.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:13
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kingturnip posted:Dinner for me tonight has been a frozen pizza with some extra grated cheese and a couple of Pepperami sliced on top. I don't know if it's a national or regional thing but the robot announcements on my route don't even say trains are late or cancelled anymore. It just goes "The 1803 Southern Service to blah blah is now due to arrive at 1901" That's it. Drives me loving mental. The progression of disruption message formats I can remember over the years is: "I am sorry to announce...." "We are sorry to announce..." "Southern is sorry to announce..." And then what we have today. It's like as the years go by the train operator gradually tries to use language in such a way as to divorce itself from... itself.... and absolve any and all responsibility for, or connection with, the timely and efficient running of the service.
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my wife always mocks my shopping-bag-packing-skills when we go to sainsbury's together, she says I pack inefficiently and do everything in the wrong order also, based on past experience and a quick test with some olympic plates, I'm sure those bag for life jobbies can hold at least 10 kg of stuff without tearing
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Dec 10, 2014 22:15
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goddamnedtwisto posted:What the gently caress kind of shopping bags does your local supermarket give out? That's at least 6 kilos of stuff and I've never seen a supermarket shopping bag that can hold more than a kilo for more than five minutes, and that's excluding the awkward/bulky stuff like the pizzas and the bread. Do you think a kilo is heavier than it actually is? A kilo would be two supermarket packs of minced beef. If your supermarket bags can't carry two of those you should complain immediately.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:21
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LemonDrizzle posted:my wife always mocks my shopping-bag-packing-skills when we go to sainsbury's together, she says I pack inefficiently and do everything in the wrong order 'Sup testing baggage weight with weights buddy. I've started doing this with bags I'm taking to the airport. Also, re avatar - who'd you upset?
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Dec 10, 2014 22:21
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goddamnedtwisto posted:What the gently caress kind of shopping bags does your local supermarket give out? That's at least 6 kilos of stuff and I've never seen a supermarket shopping bag that can hold more than a kilo for more than five minutes, and that's excluding the awkward/bulky stuff like the pizzas and the bread. I'm sorry, but it appears you live life divorced from reality. Thats maybe 6kg's of stuff. A normal shopping bag will easily hold two 2 litre bottles of drink, which is 4kg. A bag for life will hold near 10. Since I regularly see mums with up to 5 kids also managing to do this thing we call shopping, I'm beginning to get alarmed at what you consider difficult.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:30
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Pesmerga posted:'Sup testing baggage weight with weights buddy. I've started doing this with bags I'm taking to the airport. Could be just about anybody.
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serious gaylord posted:I'm sorry, but it appears you live life divorced from reality. Thats maybe 6kg's of stuff. A normal shopping bag will easily hold two 2 litre bottles of drink, which is 4kg. A bag for life will hold near 10. Since I regularly see mums with up to 5 kids also managing to do this thing we call shopping, I'm beginning to get alarmed at what you consider difficult. TBH I don't actually know because I just throw stuff straight in my own bag, but god knows in the past I've had issues with bags self-destructing with, say, a six-pack (so 3 kgs) in them before I've even got out of the shop. I'm not saying any of these things are impossible, I'm just saying that maybe it's not as easy as you seem to think it is. (FWIW I do all my shopping online apart from occasional runs to the market for fresh stuff - like I say though I realise I am fortunate, and I know a lot of people who aren't anywhere near as fortunate, and this smug "HURR LAZY FAT POORS" poo poo is every bit as unrealistic (and unhelpful) as those in this thread who refuse to believe that asking anyone to do anything involving so much as standing up is worse than the Holocaust)
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Dec 10, 2014 22:38
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Shopping chat my cart is currently £143 on my online shop I've got booze and cheese and meat for xmas and I haven't even added poo poo we need to eat from now until christmas yet and I also haven't got any money in my bank account. I earn a real good salary and I still haven't ever got any money. If I wasn't such a lovely person I would probably resent my freeloading family. And I'm regularly feeling guilty because I think my money situation is bad then I think about people who are on minimum wage zero hour bullshit. Sometimes I hate having feelings and empathy. No joke I think I'm actually having difficulties because of my empathy. I cried on the way to work yesterday because I saw a kid walking to school with ripped trousers. He might have just ripped them on the way to school but I invented a rich tapestry of fantasy and in my head he was like oliver twist and it genuinely made me cry because poo poo is so hosed up. I think selfish pampered ignorant people are probably a lot happier because they can just invoke a just world fallacy and it magically makes everything seem fair somehow. This isn't a cry for help I've just drunk a lot of ale. Mr Cuddles fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Dec 10, 2014 22:40
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You could carry bowling balls in those big Lidl canvas bags with the velcro. If you really wanted to, I mean. It's a bit embarrassing taking out giant Lidl bags at the checkout in Asda, but totally worth it for how much they carry.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:45
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Mr Cuddles posted:Shopping chat my cart is currently £143 on my online shop I've got booze and cheese and meat for xmas and I haven't even added poo poo we need to eat from now until christmas yet and I also haven't got any money in my bank account. I earn a real good salary and I still haven't ever got any money. If I wasn't such a lovely person I would probably resent my freeloading family. 
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Yeah, online shopping is great in this country, Tesco loves sending me money off coupons via email for some reason. You can shop by sales too. I don't drive so it's great; the only reason I learned to cook was because I could budget out a week's worth of ingredients and ship it all at once.
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