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Oh, speaking of, apparently Goodkind ripped off having his cover artist die before the series ended from Wheel of Time, too.quote:Cover artist Keith Parkinson died before Confessor was published, but had created art for all the books in the saga beforehand. Author Terry Goodkind had the following to say: "When Keith and I were working on cover concepts for Chainfire he came up with a number of color roughs that, because of their simple, iconic nature were very close to being final. At the time I recognized three of these roughs as perfect for the Chainfire Trilogy. That means that the final book of the series had already been done by him before he passed away so that is the cover that will appear on the book." At least Darrell Sweet made an effort before he died. The unused, unfinished cover for Memory of Light: The accepted-by-all-living-parties covers that went out on Terry Goodkind's magnum opus, which were "perfect for the trilogy": Like, I am not even poo poo-talking the dead guy here, I'm actually offended that Goodkind went "Yeah, that's how we want this dude's name to go down, PRINT THOSE FUCKERS" You can totally tell someone changed poo poo around after the embarassment that was Chainfire's cover. claw game handjob fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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DDP - thank you so much for this thread, it's bringing hours of enjoyment. Also: DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:.. He is action villain style through and through. This is some Raul Julia as M. Bison cheese right here. I ALWAYS pictured Donkey Rahl as M. Bison, down to the style of dress, silly hat and everything. Perfect description.
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:and watches them perform a ceremony in which a beast called (no joke) a "namble" rapes Subtractive magic into a new SotD with the aid of the quillion. Oh no. No, you don't get to gloss over that. You quote that entire section, with commentary.
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TheSmilingJackal posted:Because he thinks fantasy is stupid and you are stupid for reading it. Author's first rule, ladies and gents. AVeryLargeRadish posted:Hey, pssst, over here...
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Okay, now I really am tempted to read the WoT series again
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:
The best part is when this very same scene occurs later, but its Richard who is doing it.
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It just occurred to me that when Dick Hider first crosses the veil into the Midlands he is tormented by the soul of his father, George Cypher. Then in this book when he goes to summon the soul of his father (thinking of old George), he instead gets Darken Rahl, his real dad. These books just make no sense...
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The only really skeevy part in Wheel of Time in terms of sex is how Rand ends up basically in a love....square I guess... with three woman, and their reaction is to go hivemind sister-wives full speed ahead. On the other hand, he is basically battlemage-Jesus so I guess that's just their sort of thing. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Clanpot Shake posted:It just occurred to me that when Dick Hider first crosses the veil into the Midlands he is tormented by the soul of his father, George Cypher. Then in this book when he goes to summon the soul of his father (thinking of old George), he instead gets Darken Rahl, his real dad. Tormented by a *vision* of his dad. Not the soul of George.
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Man you can't skip that scene with the Sisters of the Dark and Margaret considering nothing in this book matters at all you can at least commentary the juicy gross murdery parts! Otherwise what's the point, really? Seriously that's really the driving theme of this book much like last book was people doing dumb poo poo/baby's first objectivism while Rahl chewed scenery like a motherfucker.
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Chaltab posted:Speaking of Star Wars What I find more amusing is the way it is presented. That line from Empire is filled with confusion, fear, revalation etc. The way it is written here I can't help but imagine Richard smugly stating it in a flat tone, almost like he is bored of the idea. If you've ever heard Ayn Rand speak, that is the exact tone I imagine this being said in, just bored and tired. Its also worth pointing out that rape fantasy of the Sword of Truth variety is also a big factor in Ayn Rand's work. Ayn Rand, by all accounts I've read, was a huge rape fetishist, which really makes sense when you consider that her philosophy was all about big powerful ubermench (usually men) taking control of everything in the world around them and doing whatever they wanted. Most famously, Ayn Rand had a huge crush on William Edward Hickman, a 1920's serial killer who was most well known for his murder and mutilation of a twelve year old girl. Here are some of her quotes about Hickman: quote:"Other people have no right, no hold, no interest or influence on him. And this is not affected or chosen -- it's inborn, absolute, it can't be changed, he has 'no organ' to be otherwise. In this respect, he has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel'other people.' " quote:"He shows how impossible it is for a genuinely beautiful soul to succeed at present, for in all [aspects of] modern life, one has to be a hypocrite, to bend and tolerate. This boy wanted to command and smash away things and people he didn't approve of." quote:"The first thing that impresses me about the case is the ferocious rage of a whole society against one man. No matter what the man did, there is always something loathsome in the 'virtuous' indignation and mass-hatred of the 'majority.'... It is repulsive to see all these beings with worse sins and crimes in their own lives, virtuously condemning a criminal... quote:"This is not just the case of a terrible crime. It is not the crime alone that has raised the fury of public hatred. It is the case of a daring challenge to society. It is the fact that a crime has been committed by one man, alone; that this man knew it was against all laws of humanity and intended that way; that he does not want to recognize it as a crime and that he feels superior to all. It is the amazing picture of a man with no regard whatever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. A man who really stands alone, in action and in soul." Just to remind you, the guy she is talking about is a serial killer. To Ayn Rand his ability to do what he wants without regard to what other people think is a virtue, that is to say, sociopathy is a virtue in her eyes. Now she does go on to say that she finds the particular of his 'revolt' against society to be distasteful, but that she still admires the core of a man who dares to challenge the mob. For anyone who is interested, I've got some further reading on the subject. Thanks to everyone who chimed in on my question btw, I'll try the first book and go from there.
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Chaltab posted:Speaking of Star Wars ...might steal something from Star Wars?
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:Also I highly support "read Eye of the World and go from there", but you should know that there is definitely a middle point where the series is sloggy, which coincided with Jordan's declining health and death. (The books were finished by a hand-picked second author, and his contributions really make the finale shine, he's great.) His one downside is that his fight scenes read like someone who's never been in a fight before, and is only describing what he's seen on TV, as opposed to Vietnam veteran Robert Jordan, or WWI Veteran JRR Tolkien, or even fencer Michael Moorcock, but he's hardly the only fantasy writer that accusation could be laid on *cough Goodkind cough*, and really, it only stands out when in direct comparison, as he's literally finishing another person's work. Toph Bei Fong fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Oh, Sanderson sure has his faults. His earlier works in particular are infamous for the "Sanderson Avalanche", where every single plot point in the work come crashing together and get resolved in the last 5% of the book. It's a double-edged sword. On one hand, the last few chapters tend to go by way too fast and it leaves a dearth of resolved plot points earlier in the work. On the other hand, he does do a good job of actually resolving pretty much everything. I'm a real sucker for mystery fiction, so for me it actually works out well. I love when a good mystery gets a satisfying reveal at the end that blows it wide open. Anyway, it probably helped him with making sense of the brobdingnagian mess of unresolved subplots Wheel of Time had going when he took over, and I'm actually kind of surprised he managed to put and end to as many of them as he did. (Though it still bothers me that some of them, such as the identity of the reborn Gaidal Cain, never really got an answer in any of the books even though Sanderson claims he knows what the answer Jordan intended is.) His fight scenes feel like Hollywood action movie fight scenes, which really doesn't work in written form. They're too long, too wordy, and spend too much time describing how people are randomly scrambling around hacking at each other. (It's Brandon, by the way, not Brian.) Hyper Crab Tank fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Book 10 of the Wheel of Time, The Crossroads of Twilight was just the worst. It was supposed to be about people making big decisions or something like that, but ended up being a book about people just sitting around getting nothing accomplished, then at the very end of the book deciding, you know what, I should go do something... in the next book. Luckily it was literally all uphill from there as each book after it was better than the last.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Oh, Sanderson sure has his faults. Oh, totally. I didn't mean to imply he was James Joyce or anything, but the list of "Fantasy authors good enough to make sense of my massive volume of exhaustive notes without turning them into weirdo head canon fanfiction or making a mess of all the carefully spinning plates, and actually willing to take on the task" is a pretty specific list. And craft wise, the guy knows his stuff. As much as I'd of loved to see the last three Wheel of Time books by, like, Jacqueline Carey or Michael Moorcock or someone like that, no way in hell was that happening.
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Dr.Magnificent posted:The best part is when this very same scene occurs later, but its Richard who is doing it. God loving damnit I had that same link pasted into a future update and you just killed the joke. TheCenturion posted:Oh no. No, you don't get to gloss over that. You quote that entire section, with commentary. This is absolutely not happening. I will cherry-pick at most since a few of you are asking, but I'm sticking hard and fast to my "I will not transcribe full rape scenes" rule.
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Spoilers Below posted:His one downside is that his fight scenes read like someone who's never been in a fight before, and is only describing what he's seen on TV, as opposed to Vietnam veteran Robert Jordan, or WWI Veteran JRR Tolkien, or even fencer Michael Moorcock, but he's hardly the only fantasy writer that accusation could be laid on *cough Goodkind cough*, and really, it only stands out when in direct comparison, as he's literally finishing another person's work. Sanderson's own monstrous fantasy doorstopper series - Stormlight Chronicles - is worth checking out if you're already in the market for that kind of thing. There's some really interesting world building going on there, though there's a shared universe thing going on with his other works I don't personally care for.
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Speaking of that series, 200 pages into Way of Kings, Shallan has finally convinced Jasnah to take her as a ward, Kal has gotten back some of his will to live and is taking charge of the bridge crew, and King Elhokar is just about to get ambushed by an unexpected chasmfiend.
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Spoilers Below posted:As much as I'd of loved to see the last three Wheel of Time books by, like, Jacqueline Carey And people thought the spanking in WoT was gratuitous as it was.
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Fun fact, for those keeping track of WoT/SoT comparisons: the appropriate between-worlds translation for "Darkfriend" is "Baneling".quote:"You know of the banelings, yes?” Please note that AN ENTIRE ORDER OF MAGIC-USERS contradicts Zedd's statement. quote:“On our way back, we had to walk past the Choora mill, just outside of town. I thought it strange no one be there. Someone always be at the mill.” Adie closed her eyes for a moment and then took another sip of tea. “As it turned out, there be people there. The Blood of the Fold. They be waiting for us.” Similarly: WoT's Children of the Light + Bigger Assholes = Blood of the Fold. (Guess what the next book is named!!) The Blood capture Adie and her new husband, torture them both, and eventually convince the husband that Adie outed him as a baneling before slitting his throat. He refuses to poo poo on her despite this, but he does go to his grave in front of her disappointed, breaking her heart. In retaliation, Adie slaughters every one of them to the man, cursing their commander to have to visit her every new moon or suffer ENDLESS NIGHTMARES (man magicians use that one a lot, it must be a cantrip). When he does, she slices off a part of him. Zedd apparently saw him once without knowing, a blind man missing most of his fingers at the time. THIS WAS ALL PART OF THE KEEPER'S PLAN. quote:Adie sighed. “One day, a thought occurred to me: I had never used the gift to prevent Mathrin from killing himself. Why would he still come to me? Let me make him to suffer like I did? Why would he not simply end it? So, the next time he came, and I cut something else off, I also cut the bond. Cut his need to come the next time. But I did it in a way so as he would not notice, so he could simply forget about me, if he wished.” Also I actually dug out a map of Goodkindland for this, because this next part is duuuuuumb quote:“How did you know about the pass? I put the boundary up, and I didn’t know the pass existed.” So, uh. This is the map in the first book. The boundary still exists at this point. (Also, yes, this means the PotP and Tanimura were apparently on the map from day one and nobody gave a poo poo.) "The boundary" is clearly not a straight line from top to bottom across the world, so why the gently caress does anything need "equalizing" if it's not circling the entire globe? How does that in any way make sense that there would be "a vent"? God, this is dumb. Anyway eventually we get to the actual plot again and Zedd is still Zedd. quote:Her smile widened as she smoothed down a stray lock of his white hair. “Now. Tell me of the Stone of Tears. We must decide what is to be done with it.”
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:
Apologies for stepping on the joke! Have a fun fact: Goodkind hated that he put the map into the books, because as later books came out, he'd get questions about how things were in relation to each other.
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Dr.Magnificent posted:Apologies for stepping on the joke! Have a fun fact: Goodkind hated that he put the map into the books, because as later books came out, he'd get questions about how things were in relation to each other. This reminds me, did he ever include a map of the Old World? Or of the entire world (because I wanted to see how much the evil mind-control emperor actually controls and what nations exist down there and poo poo).
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That's the thing people decided to call him on? The geography? As strange as it is, that's not even close to the worst these books have shown us so far. I am reminded (because this thread has somehow become about superior authors) of Elantris, and how the big reveal actually makes no sense if you go by the map at the front of that book. It confused the heck out of me when it came up, but in the long run it's a pretty minor blemish.
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Libluini posted:This reminds me, did he ever include a map of the Old World? Or of the entire world (because I wanted to see how much the evil mind-control emperor actually controls and what nations exist down there and poo poo).
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quote:She gave a single, firm nod. “Good. It not be something to be loose in this world.” Her brow wrinkled in a little frown. “It be hidden well? It be safe?” Lord of the Rings dialogue recited by a retarded woman. That is actually a pretty good analogue for the series as a whole.
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Sindai posted:I don't think so. We just know it's super huge compared to the setting of the books and yet somehow all the fate-of-the-world stuff is concentrated in this little shithole corner. A fantasy world only Rudyard Kipling could love.
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Thanks for doing this DDP, I really appreciate your suffering for my entertainment.
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Anyway, a beast called a Skrin comes to life from Adie's bones and tries to kill her/Zedd. So they run. BACK TO RICHARD.quote:She lowered the book to her lap and looked up. “But you say you did not touch your Han? You felt nothing within yourself? You felt no power? Saw no light? Did not sense the Creator?” Her eyes narrowed. “You had better not be lying to me, Richard. You had better never lie to me about touching your Han.” MASTURBATION JOKES. Richard realizes someone's off in the distance. Verna, actually able to USE magic, has known for about an hour, but since they're close now, they may as well deal with it. Verna is very much a "deal with it" type. quote:Richard was starting toward the saddlebags, to gather the rest of their things, when a woman came running out of the night. Cloak flying behind, and crying in terror, she ran headlong into their camp. She let out a wail and dashed desperately for him. I cannot tell you enough that Richard acts more like a child during this segment than any child they ever brought to the Palace. He fights Verna on every single thing, even when she's pointing out (accurately) that even though he is a woods guide, they are a) not in the woods, b) in lands he has never heard of, while she's traveled it multiple times over the years, and c) she kind of wants him alive so maybe SHUT UP AND LISTEN FOR ONCE, rear end. quote:Her cold composure was more frightening than if she had yelled at him. “Our job is to help those with the gift, because the gift is given by the Creator. We serve the Creator. It is for him we die. I’ve lost two of my oldest friends because of you. I’ve wept myself to sleep with grief for them. I’ve had to kill this woman tonight, and I may have to kill others before we reach the palace.” This segment is so frustrating because I get the vibe we're supposed to be agreeing with Richard's SCATHING PUTDOWNS at every turn, but if Verna was written more like a human and less like a strawman, this speech would probably be one of the most honest responses to death in the entire franchise. Speaking of Richard getting on my nerves... gently caress. Alright, let's get on with it. I know some of you have been waiting for this. quote:He raised his head. The little gar was standing in the blood where its mother had been, its trembling wings held out limply, its shoulders slumped, and its tufted ears wilted. Big green eyes watched him. They stared at each other for a long moment. That's right: we use the Harry and the Hendersons bit TWICE IN THE SAME NOVEL.
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:
Holy poo poo Three times! He does it with Gratch (??) again later, when he realizes that she sent him away to save him and still loves him.
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Hodgepodge posted:The only really skeevy part in Wheel of Time in terms of sex is how Rand ends up basically in a love....square I guess... with three woman, and their reaction is to go hivemind sister-wives full speed ahead. Someone's forgetting the original (girl-on-girl) Evil BDSM Witches in Wheel of Time! Seriously, The Great Hunt was like twenty percent damane and the usual smooths-dress tugs-braid mixed with bondage. Still a good book and Jordan actually made the PTSD arising from being somebody's magic slave relevant to the characterization but... WoT is very "classic fantasy" at some points. Not pages glued together awful, but maybe occasionally Penthouse Letters awful. (I still love the series, though. It's ridiculously redundant and it's got so much cheesy writing but it is the best guilty pleasure).
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Zedd outwits a Skrin and the chase ends instantly when we cut back to them. Returning to Adie's house to get some bones, someone clearly raided it in their absence. Adie is getting extremely paranoid about this. Zedd... is not.quote:“We can’t take anything, Adie,” he said quietly. They leave. Hey, remember that name of the dude who the evil wizard was going to be sent to counsel? Prince Fyren? Welllllllll he's currently raping a queen. (I'm not transcribing this beyond the following.) quote:“Are my men hurting you, my lady?” came a mocking voice from behind. Cyrilla is half-sister to Kahlan, born of the king her mother took as a mindless mate. She went to the Midlands Council to get some aid. Not only is she not getting aid, her entire retinue was murdered and she's in a miserable shithole being raped. The only reason I mention this is that later on Kahlan is going to be thrown in this hole too, and I figured it would be a disservice to Goodkind to make it seem like The Rape Pit came out of nowhere in the last act, when it's actually Chekhov's Rape Pit. Also Fyren has taken over the Midlands Council and he tried to have Cyrilla murdered a few times. I guess that might come up again, I entirely forgot about him aside from "pretty sure he's a baneling". Speaking of Kahlan she taught her Mud People escort to speak common, and they find a city where everyone got slaughtered. This gives her the chance to speak about economies and run with more... Okay, let's hold up a second. I've had a couple of people reading this talk to me and say they can't quite see why it is I gripe about the Mud People so much. Let's break this down a bit. Yes, in reality, there have been isolated tribes or peoples who might fit this profile. Yes, there are totally societies as xenophobic as the Mud People. The problem is that these things are a real loving pain to mash with THEY TRADE CONSTANTLY WITH NEIGHBORING TRIBES. You basically have to assume that every other group they come in contact with are either shunned of any information they might share (we know this is a lie, see below quote), or that everyone is just collaborating in a singular conspiracy to keep the Mud People stupid. Also, I'm going to throw this out there again since I mentioned it earlier and I'm sure it got missed by some folks: literally every other tribe has a name that sounds like a name. The neighbors who they were almost at war with earlier were the Bantak, for instance. THEY ARE CALLED "MUD PEOPLE". It's not even "they are the (name), which translates to 'Mud People'", they just all go by MUD PEOPLE. They are ignorant savage stereotypes writ large from head to toe, save their one or two enlightened leaders who are trying to drag their people up despite themselves. Anyway, Kahlan explains gold and we see even more cases of them basically being children. quote:“They use silver or gold to buy the things they need that they don’t grow or make themselves.” I think I've heard this before somewhere. Expect that to return at times... quote:He came to a halt with a frown. “What is this money made from? What is this silver or gold you speak of?” Okay, maybe everyone DOES want to keep them stupid for their own reasons, who knows.
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Pieces of Peace posted:Someone's forgetting the original (girl-on-girl) Evil BDSM Witches in Wheel of Time! Seriously, The Great Hunt was like twenty percent damane and the usual smooths-dress tugs-braid mixed with bondage. Still a good book and Jordan actually made the PTSD arising from being somebody's magic slave relevant to the characterization but... WoT is very "classic fantasy" at some points. Not pages glued together awful, but maybe occasionally Penthouse Letters awful. I dunno. I read these at the same time as a teenager, and the damane stuff never gave me a vibe beyond being pissed off a hypocritical slaveholder antagonists, whereas with the Mord Sith I was pretty clear on having unexpectedly entered hankies and lube territory.
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Are you sure Goodkind's a goldbug? Because this Mud Person gave the exact reason why gold isn't inherently valuable - it has no practical use. You can't eat it, or use it to make useful things.
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quote:I dunno. I read these at the same time as a teenager, and the damane stuff never gave me a vibe beyond being pissed off a hypocritical slaveholder antagonists, whereas with the Mord Sith I was pretty clear on having unexpectedly entered hankies and lube territory. Not to mention the difference in how actual sex is handled in the two series. With the sword of truth you get this mix of terrible purple prose and bloody BJs (plust rape, rape, rape, rape). In WoT they tend to be "fade to black" scenes with relatively minimal descriptions (from my recollections at least) which mostly amount to some blushing and vague innuendo the next day. I don't even remember anyone being raped at all! quote:Are you sure Goodkind's a goldbug? Because this Mud Person gave the exact reason why gold isn't inherently valuable - it has no practical use. You can't eat it, or use it to make useful things. I think that's because the Mud People are meant to be foolish and wrong here and thus they are spouting the "nonesense" that people use to protest gold's value. oriongates fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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But you could make a stronger argument for using beans as currency. As with gold, beans require work to get - if you don't take care of the bean plants and help them to grow, the plants will die and you will remain bean-less. Unlike gold, you can use beans as food OR put them in the ground and produce more beans OR put them in a sealed container to make a musical instrument. Beans are clearly the better choice for a non-fiat currency!
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Pththya-lyi posted:But you could make a stronger argument for using beans as currency. As with gold, beans require work to get - if you don't take care of the bean plants and help them to grow, the plants will die and you will remain bean-less. Unlike gold, you can use beans as food OR put them in the ground and produce more beans OR put them in a sealed container to make a musical instrument. Beans are clearly the better choice for a non-fiat currency! Eh, you could say that beans have inherent value where as gold does not (which is true, barring high tech applications). But it's actually better for your currency to have no inherent value. Beans make a crappy currency: they can be spoiled or ruined fairly easily (destroying their value and potentially removing large amounts of currency from the market) and since the supply of beans is highly variable (depending on crop yields) and thus their value will swing massively which is terrible for any economy. They're also hard to standardize (especially if multiple bean species are used, how does one handle exchanges!) and difficult to carry in large quantities (as individually each bean has very, very low value). Now, gold has many problems like that as well, they're just less severe: since gold is a corrosion resistant metal it's pretty much impossible for it to spoil or degrade...but it can be lost (if a ship-full of gold is lost it's difficult for the government to replace that gold which is now completely gone from the economy). Since its rare its value doesn't fluctuate too wildly...but discoveries of large gold deposits or interaction with other cultures where gold is less valued can still have a fairly strong influence. The purity and size of gold coins can make things difficult to standardize and although the "value density" of gold is much higher than beans it can still be difficult to carry large quantities of gold around if needed. But, that's why paper/credit is better than gold. It's supply is controlled purely by the government and assuming that the government is not massively irresponsible (which, admittedly, has been the case at times) it's much easier to control the supply of arbitrary currency like paper and non-precious coins. Value is set and arbitrary so there's no problem with carrying enough money and standardization is built in.
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oriongates posted:I don't even remember anyone being raped at all!
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Nihilarian posted:I have some bad news for you. drat! I knew I was tempting fate with that.
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:it's actually Chekhov's Rape Pit. The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Traditional Games > Let's Read the Sword of Truth Books: It's actually Chekhov's Rape Pit Adding one more "thank you for this thread." I've gotten hours of entertainment out of it, too.
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