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Can we conclude, then, that everyone in this thread has homosexual tendencies?
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Kyrie eleison posted:Can we conclude, then, that everyone in this thread has homosexual tendencies? Thoughts and tendencies are two different things. But, get to your point.
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Dec 13, 2014 02:09
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Kyrie eleison posted:Can we conclude, then, that everyone in this thread has homosexual tendencies? It's not gay to put a wig on a man and pretend they're a woman. How could it be gay if you're pretending they're a woman? ...not that I did it.
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Dec 13, 2014 02:10
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CommieGIR posted:Thoughts and tendencies are two different things. Just that homosexual tendencies seem to be a fairly universal thing. Either that, or this crowd is abnormally homosexual, to the extent it doesn't have a single full-hetero! Aren't they supposed to be the vast majority of the population, according to popular myth?
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Dec 13, 2014 02:10
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Remember, murdering and torturing people isn't wrong because people don't deserve to be murdered/tortured, because they very well do deserve that and worse. You should refrain from killing and torturing because only God deserves the sublime thrill of murdering and torturing. Discuss.
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Dec 13, 2014 02:10
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Kyrie eleison posted:Can we conclude, then, that everyone in this thread has homosexual tendencies? Congratulations, you're the absolutely first person ever to discover that human sexuality is, usually, not a binary thing! I mean, I'm pretty much full het, but it wouldn't surprise me if most others were close, but not on, one end of the Kinsey scale, with a minority on the other or in between. Now, where are you going with this, the basic "it proves universality of sin/man's fallen nature," or were you planning on kicking it up a few notches by drawing some specious, and likely offensive, links between homosexuality and sexual abuse? Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Dec 13, 2014 02:11
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Kyrie eleison posted:Just that homosexual tendencies seem to be a fairly universal thing. Either that, or this crowd is abnormally homosexual, to the extent it doesn't have a single full-hetero! Aren't they supposed to be the vast majority of the population, according to popular myth? As someone who has been married for almost ten years, and has a son, and openly admitted to having homosexual thoughts, could you just come out and say what you are implying? Thoughts =/= Tendencies
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Dec 13, 2014 02:13
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Kyrie eleison posted:Just that homosexual tendencies seem to be a fairly universal thing. Either that, or this crowd is abnormally homosexual, to the extent it doesn't have a single full-hetero! Aren't they supposed to be the vast majority of the population, according to popular myth? Are we responsible for defending public myths or something? "I'm sure you believe in Bigfoot as well. Isn't that just like a secularist" *tucks wooden beads into own butthole*
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Dec 13, 2014 02:13
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Kyrie eleison posted:Hands up: Who in this thread has never had a homosexual thought? Kyrie eleison posted:Just that homosexual tendencies seem to be a fairly universal thing. Either that, or this crowd is abnormally homosexual, to the extent it doesn't have a single full-hetero! Aren't they supposed to be the vast majority of the population, according to popular myth? Here's the thing, being gay or straight is not an either/or, it's a scale. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale This scale, in fact. Also here, have some stats (on the scale, 0 is exclusively heterosexual, 3 is equally heterosexual/homosexual, and 6 is exclusively homosexual): quote:Men: 11.6% of white males aged 20–35 were given a rating of 3 for this period of their lives. The study also reported that 10% of American males surveyed were "more or less exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55" (in the 5 to 6 range). Kyrie, stop denying yourself bro, embrace who you truly are. You'll be much happier, and you can still worship God and Jesus just fine. fade5 fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Dec 13, 2014 02:14
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So: if homosexuality is a universal tendency, why does everyone not live a homosexual lifestyle?
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Dec 13, 2014 02:17
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Kyrie eleison posted:Just that homosexual tendencies seem to be a fairly universal thing. Either that, or this crowd is abnormally homosexual, to the extent it doesn't have a single full-hetero! Aren't they supposed to be the vast majority of the population, according to popular myth? Kyrie eleison posted:So: if homosexuality is a universal tendency, why does everyone not live a homosexual lifestyle? When you say "a homosexual lifestyle" what do you mean? I am choosing to assume you mean 'primarily or solely pursues sex with the same gender,' or possibly 'wishes to permanently wed a same-gender person'. Nessus fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Dec 13, 2014 02:17
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Nessus posted:I really hope you're building up to something about original sin here I amend my earlier prediction, my guess now is he's going with "everyone feels homosexual tendencies (because they are a sin and sin is universal), but proper morally correct people know instinctively to repress them, or can so be instructed by the holy mother church you'll all burn burn burn."
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Dec 13, 2014 02:19
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Kyrie eleison posted:So: if homosexuality is a universal tendency, why does everyone not live a homosexual lifestyle? What is that? Purses?
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Dec 13, 2014 02:19
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Kyrie eleison posted:So: if homosexuality is a universal tendency, why does everyone not live a homosexual lifestyle? Because sex with a woman feels really good too?
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Dec 13, 2014 02:22
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Kyrie eleison posted:So: if homosexuality is a universal tendency, why does everyone not live a homosexual lifestyle? Why are you so intent on saying thoughts are the same as tendencies when it has been pointed out multiple times they're not the same thing?
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Dec 13, 2014 02:22
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Because he's trying to put forth his agenda without actually putting forth his agenda.Bel Shazar posted:Because sex with a woman feels really good too? Dravinski fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Dec 13, 2014 02:26
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The difference between you and us, Kyrie, is that none of us have said things to the effect that we can only love or feel comfortable and open around those of the same sex but that we feel we need to do our best to hide these thoughts and force ourselves to have children with someone we don't love. You have, though, and that's not healthy.
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Dec 13, 2014 02:31
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Kyrie eleison posted:So: if homosexuality is a universal tendency, why does everyone not live a homosexual lifestyle? 1. There are quite a few people who are indeed almost completely heterosexual, so living in a heterosexual lifestyle works just fine for them. 2. Sex with a woman feels really good (if you're a man). Sex with a man feels good (if you're a woman). Sex feels good in general. 3. A person falls on the lower end of the Kinsey Scale, so they are more likely to end up in a relationship with an opposite-sex partner. 4. Cultural inertia "encourages" otherwise bisexual people to choose an opposite-sex partner even if they would be perfectly happy with a same-sex partner. 5. Cultural inertia means that gay people are afraid of coming out and being shunned by friends, family, or other relatives. 6. Religious institutions continue to declare that there is something "wrong" with homosexuality (there isn't), leading homosexual people in these religions to deny their own nature so as to not be shunned by other religious followers/leaders. 7. The extremely ugly fact that trying to live a "homosexual lifestyle" will get you beaten and killed (sometimes even legally!  ) in various parts of the world like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, Iran, among many many other places.8. Continued stigma against gay/bisexual people because of reasons 4-8. Otherwise, sure, live a homosexual lifestyle (whatever the hell that actually means), there's nothing wrong with it.  Have fun, be happy, be who you are!
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Dec 13, 2014 02:33
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Twelve by Pies posted:Why are you so intent on saying thoughts are the same as tendencies when it has been pointed out multiple times they're not the same thing? Because Jesus explicitly draws a connection between sinful thoughts and sinful actions, is my guess.
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Dec 13, 2014 02:54
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Yeah but even if you want to go the route of "If you look at a woman with lust in your heart you've already committed adultery" route and say "If you have a gay thought you've already had gay sex in the eyes of God so why not just have gay sex" it still doesn't work. Would that excuse fly for priests? Priests are supposed to remain unmarried but they obviously have sexual thoughts once in a while, but the Catholic Church would never say "Well, you might as well go have sex with that woman, you've already done it in the eyes of God." It's not a perfect comparison (priests voluntarily take a vow of celibacy while nobody really chooses to be gay) but I still don't see the point of his argument. "You've thought about doing it therefore why don't you do it for real" is a terrible argument and if that's his point it's just nonsensical because he obviously doesn't apply it to himself or other members of the Church. That's not even taking into account most people here don't think being gay is a sin.
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Dec 13, 2014 03:21
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Huh, now I feel sorry for Kyrie. Get help man, be yourself. I have a lesbian cousin who was in a similar situation as yourself and she managed to escape all the self-loathing and is now in a committed relationship of five years and is way happier.
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Dec 13, 2014 03:26
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Please gently caress a dude, OP. But most importantly feel good about yourself when you do it.
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Dec 13, 2014 03:30
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Kyrie eleison posted:Hands up: Who in this thread has never had a homosexual thought? I'm pretty sure I'm bi. I am happy and healthy because I admit that about myself and don't try to ignore the things that make me happy even if those things are other dudes. Maybe you should try it some time. BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Dec 13, 2014 03:50
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Barent posted:Huh, now I feel sorry for Kyrie. Get help man, be yourself. I have a lesbian cousin who was in a similar situation as yourself and she managed to escape all the self-loathing and is now in a committed relationship of five years and is way happier. I am being myself. This is me. Here's the thing. If you have both heterosexual and homosexual tendencies, and you want a monogamous life partner, aren't you going to have to choose a gender? And, considering how important this choice will be on your life, shouldn't this be a rational choice, involving weighing the pros and cons?
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Dec 13, 2014 03:52
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Kyrie eleison posted:I am being myself. This is me. Just say what you want to say and stop this weak rear end bullshit. Just say that you think homosexuality is a sin because it doesn't involve procreation (which isn't necessarily true).
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Dec 13, 2014 03:54
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Kyrie eleison posted:I am being myself. This is me. You incorrectly posit that this is an important choice, whereas in reality you can adapt to pretty much any situation.
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Dec 13, 2014 03:55
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Kyrie eleison posted:I am being myself. This is me. Being gay/bi/straight does not change your gender, only which one you are attracted to. You can be monogomous and be gay or bi. My wifes bi.
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Dec 13, 2014 03:58
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Kyrie eleison posted:I am being myself. This is me. However, it is quite true that many bisexuals opt to go with an opposite-sex partner to avoid the issues of social opprobrium. (Some later then go on to cheat on that spouse "on the down low" you might say, but shhh.)
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Dec 13, 2014 03:59
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Kyrie eleison posted:Here's the thing. If you have both heterosexual and homosexual tendencies, and you want a monogamous life partner, aren't you going to have to choose a gender? And, considering how important this choice will be on your life, shouldn't this be a rational choice, involving weighing the pros and cons? No, it really isn't, except for maybe a small minority. Even though most straight men, myself included, occasionally have a same-sex attraction, we are far, far more often attracted to women. Likewise, the majority of gay people may have the occasional opposite-sex attraction, but they're more often attracted to their own sex. Even bisexual people, or people who identify as gay or straight but are still fluid, choose their partners based on attraction to individuals. Sexual attraction is a deeply irrational facet of our minds, and we can't rationalize ourselves into changing it.
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CommieGIR posted:Being gay/bi/straight does not change your gender, only which one you are attracted to. You can be monogomous and be gay or bi. My wifes bi. He means choose a gender as in choose the gender of whoever you're going to marry/be in a relationship with. Kyrie is assuming everybody is basically bisexual and thus must "choose" who they're going to date, and is saying "Well, why do most people choose to be with someone of the opposite gender? Why don't they just choose to be with someone of the same gender?" This is a hosed up view but we've already established Kyrie has some serious hosed up issues with his sexuality due to the Church.
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Dec 13, 2014 04:29
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Kyrie eleison posted:Here's the thing. If you have both heterosexual and homosexual tendencies, and you want a monogamous life partner, aren't you going to have to choose a gender? And, considering how important this choice will be on your life, shouldn't this be a rational choice, involving weighing the pros and cons? Twelve by Pies posted:He means choose a gender as in choose the gender of whoever you're going to marry/be in a relationship with. Kyrie is assuming everybody is basically bisexual and thus must "choose" who they're going to date, and is saying "Well, why do most people choose to be with someone of the opposite gender? Why don't they just choose to be with someone of the same gender?" Doesn't matter if they're male or female, as long as the two of you love each other and are happy with each other, that's your monogamous life partner. Welcome to the 21st century. E: I hope Kyrie doesn't have me on ignore, because I'm being completely serious about all this. I hate the idea that someone is making themselves miserable for no reason, and I want to try and help if I can. Sometimes words of encouragement are all it takes. fade5 fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Dec 13, 2014 04:45
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Kyrie eleison posted:Can we conclude, then, that everyone in this thread has homosexual tendencies? Kyrie eleison what do you think of the pope's latest order? 
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Dec 13, 2014 05:18
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Nintendo Kid posted:Kyrie eleison what do you think of the pope's latest order? http://www.eyeofthetiber.com/2014/12/12/pope-francis-confirms-cats-still-going-to-hell/
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Dec 13, 2014 05:21
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Kyrie eleison posted:There needs to be a cosmic system because there needs to be a universal judge of right and wrong. Kyrie eleison posted:Because otherwise your "morality" is totally subjective and self-serving, based around the precept that you do nothing wrong. This cosmic system with a universal judge of right and wrong that you admire so dearly is also man made.
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Dec 13, 2014 07:08
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Kyrie eleison posted:Hands up: Who in this thread has never had a homosexual thought? Well that explains your unreasonable fear that if it's okay to be gay, it will be universalized and end the human race in one generation. Dude, the reason most people aren't gay isn't because they secretly are but are quaking in fear of a good old lynching or eternal hellfire. As should be obvious from the example of other cultures that did not stigmatize homosexual sex yet continued to procreate. The reason most people aren't gay is that most people aren't gay.
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Dec 13, 2014 10:52
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Kyrie eleison posted:I am being myself. This is me. Yes yes we must get all these irrational emotions and feelings and happiness nonsense out of the vitally important process of selecting a sensible and practical life mate for reproductive purposes. I daresay it's foolish even to leave weighty matters such as this up to the flighty young things. Perhaps it's a decision best left up to their respective parents who can dispassionately select an appropriate brood stud/mare with an eye to the financial benefits, dynastic concerns, social approval, &c &c
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Kyrie eleison posted:So: if homosexuality is a universal tendency, why does everyone not live a homosexual lifestyle? Kyrie eleison posted:Here's the thing. If you have both heterosexual and homosexual tendencies, and you want a monogamous life partner, aren't you going to have to choose a gender? And, considering how important this choice will be on your life, shouldn't this be a rational choice, involving weighing the pros and cons?  why would that even be a relevant question? Do you understand the concept of "hey you're a great person let's enjoy being together and have wild sex" with someone who happens to be either a man or a woman? Also if I were fanatically religious (not christian though that would suck  ) I might call for you to be burned at the stake for being such an immoral dick but luckily I don't base my entire belief system around the imaginary words of a sociopathic sky wizard (e: this is hyperbole which i point out here so you don't go and make a strawman out of it you idiot) I just think you need to stop projecting your own issues on other people and work them out. In summary:Berke Negri posted:Please gently caress a dude, OP. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Kyrie eleison posted:I am being myself. This is me. You have to choose a person, yes. Being bisexual I don't find this difficult. I love my girlfriend and wouldn't want to be with anybody else. That's rather more important to me than the opportunity to get a good hard dicking from a big brawny man every now and then. Are you trying to segue into the whole 'homosexuality is a choice' thing?
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Nintendo Kid posted:Kyrie eleison what do you think of the pope's latest order? Wh...wh...what about cats? 
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