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Hihohe posted:Explain to me why the tide turner aint op!
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drrockso20 posted:Ok I'll admit that one wasn't a good example, but the idea stands that one could make some of the MvM upgrades part of their own weapons if properly balanced(I could see the Mad Milk Syringes being their own gun if given a reasonable drawback for example) The original Overdose actually had that, along with a ridiculous damage penalty in the TF2 Beta.
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Dec 14, 2014 06:09
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Captain Invictus posted:Historians to this day debate whether the second gunman fired a shot or not Mundy shot first
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Dec 14, 2014 06:37
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Magypsy posted:The original Overdose actually had that, along with a ridiculous damage penalty in the TF2 Beta. Well they should try that out again with a new gun(along with some wackier ideas), since in my opinion TF2 is at a point in it's life span where it should be more and more experimental in what it can do(we've seen a little bit of that with the Beta maps, and the big updates from Love & War onward but we need to get even crazier), although at the same time we need to avoid another Short Circuit buff, Sticky Launcher nerf sort of fiasco
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Dec 14, 2014 06:48
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Hihohe posted:Explain to me why the tide turner aint op!
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Dec 14, 2014 06:52
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Roflex posted:It's getting rid of all your duplicates and then giving you one you don't have (assuming you don't have them all already) It was one I had already.
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Dec 14, 2014 07:15
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drrockso20 posted:Really the Extra Sentry and the Rocket Specialist(and maybe the Heavy Stuff) are the only ones of those I could really see being overpowered, the others could be balanced by giving the weapons they'd be attached to reasonably strong drawbacks, like for example the Two-Way Teleporter can't be upgraded, and both halves cost a full 200 Metal to build Valve doesn't have a good record of balancing items with downsides that really count for anything. No doubt the downside to exploding headshots would be a slightly slower charging rate or no random crits.
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Dec 14, 2014 07:45
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Paul MaudDib posted:Yup, agreed on all points. I definitely preferred the old design for BFB (although the old damage specs with new movement specs would probably be ideal, since it was a smidge underpowered before) but even now it's not the straight upgrade it's made out to be. You're definitely giving up sustained pushing power in order to rule the 1v1 roost--which, yes, is your ideal role as a scout anyway, but unless your team is dominating there will be times that you just have to commit to a push and you can't afford to withdraw and reload at your leisure.
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Dec 14, 2014 07:57
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pisshead posted:Valve doesn't have a good record of balancing items with downsides that really count for anything. No doubt the downside to exploding headshots would be a slightly slower charging rate or no random crits. Here's my thoughts; -No Random Crits -can't fire unless zoomed(like the Machina) -only deals 50% of the Stock Rifle's damage on body-shots This seems reasonably balanced to me(might need to tweak the body shot damage nerf a bit though), although with the Head Shot explosion what should the radius be and how much damage should it deal?
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Dec 14, 2014 10:03
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drrockso20 posted:Here's my thoughts; Sounds like it'd still be an upgrade for snipers who can aim.
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Dec 14, 2014 10:44
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IronicDongz posted:It's not the sticky launcher Also you could do that trick with any of the shields.
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Dec 14, 2014 10:44
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Valve really need to fix medic so lobbies can actually start.
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Dec 14, 2014 10:51
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pisshead posted:Sounds like it'd still be an upgrade for snipers who can aim. Maybe give it an absurdly long reload time as well
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Dec 14, 2014 12:01
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As pyro is there any other negatives [other than airblast cost] to using the backburner instead of the stock flamer? Crits from behind is surely too good to pass up, unless you're a serial airblaster?
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Dec 14, 2014 13:46
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The airblast cost is a real negative, you can't shut down an uber nearly as well with the Backburner, shoving people off cliffs leaves you dangerously low on ammo, and if your Medic is burning but clueless, you can waste a lot of ammo trying to put him out. Also, thanks to wonky hit detection and latency, the crits from behind aren't particularly reliable, so "no random crits" is also a real drawback. That said, I've switched from Degreaser to Backburner for the most part (I'd been using the Back Scratcher before okay don't judge me).
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Dec 14, 2014 13:53
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if trickflaring people who are literally waist deep in water is wrong, i don't want to be right.
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Dec 14, 2014 14:02
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Why have I never used the shortstop before? If you can aim (which sometimes I can do), it's loving lethal. I use it like a repeating weapon.
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Dec 14, 2014 14:07
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pisshead posted:Why have I never used the shortstop before? If you can aim (which sometimes I can do), it's loving lethal. I use it like a repeating weapon. It really is, but doesn't have quite as much killing power as the Scattergun against stronger targets like a solider and Heavy due to the lack of super meat shots. I usually pull it out when there's an annoying BFB scout or pyro. Since it's better damage at mid-range, you can try and stay away from them, while they have to close to close range to get the most out of their weapons. However, it also uses the same ammo pool as the pistol so you need to really keep an eye on your ammo.
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Dec 14, 2014 14:25
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That just gives you a good excuse to use the cleaver.  Or the critcola, it turns the shortstop into a shotgun made of sniper rifles.
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Dec 14, 2014 14:47
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The problem I'd have with a sniper rifle that rewards headshots and punishes bodyshots is that there are already two of those (Bazaar Bargain, Hitman's Heatmaker) along with a third that situationally rewards headshots and removes no-scope bodyshots (Machina). As far as I'm concerned that design area has pretty much been explored.
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Dec 14, 2014 16:47
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braden posted:That 2nd sniper who just chills and watches his buddy die and waits for his decapitation....man, I sometimes just let those guys live when Im rocketing jumping around maps. I see these clueless (I assume) new players and just feel bad bombing them out and just jump away to the next health pack. He could also have just been stunned out of his gourd that a god drat bomb-throwing katana-swinging rear end in a top hat just Spider-Manned up a wall like it was the easiest thing in the world. Why not give the Demoknight a shield that lets them defy gravity and teleport, then I can hate them even more.
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Dec 14, 2014 16:56
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there is one it's called the "sticky jump" shield
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Dec 14, 2014 17:12
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Valve have got a new scarf in their store for these cold winter days.
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FatSamurai posted:He could also have just been stunned out of his gourd that a god drat bomb-throwing katana-swinging rear end in a top hat just Spider-Manned up a wall like it was the easiest thing in the world. Why not give the Demoknight a shield that lets them defy gravity and teleport, then I can hate them even more. I love demoman shields because they are fun to use and now the tide turner makes grenade launcher demoknight a pretty viable strategy, there's a lot fewer people airdetting stickies in my face. Dying to a demoknight feels a hell of a lot less cheap than dying to sticky spam.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:13
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Red Bones posted:Dying to a demoknight feels a hell of a lot less cheap than dying to sticky spam.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:31
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Zero! posted:Valve have got a new scarf in their store for these cold winter days. Weird, when I try to check out it's saying that I can't place the order because it's not in stock. Is that just because it's new?
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Dec 14, 2014 18:34
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Zero! posted:Valve have got a new scarf in their store for these cold winter days. Noice. Hope it's here before Christmas.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:35
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Red Bones posted:I love demoman shields because they are fun to use and now the tide turner makes grenade launcher demoknight a pretty viable strategy, there's a lot fewer people airdetting stickies in my face. Dying to a demoknight feels a hell of a lot less cheap than dying to sticky spam. I, too, like dying to a class that can turn around a blind corner faster than anything in the game, one-shots most classes and regains his charge instantly after a kill. One that can only be escaped from by explosive jumping away.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:37
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Thanks Internet posted:Weird, when I try to check out it's saying that I can't place the order because it's not in stock. Is that just because it's new? They might have put the page up a little early I guess? Adding it to the cart brought up a "Ships in 1 to 2 Weeks" message for me so they might not actually have them in stock yet.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:41
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drrockso20 posted:Here's my thoughts; Only fires one shot and has to be reloaded at a cabinet, like the Caber. edit: "can only be refilled at a cabinet" should be used on more things, really. Minisentries especially. Peanut President fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Dec 14, 2014 19:04
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Perfect for 2Fort!
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Dec 14, 2014 19:06
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I mainly play Soldier so dealing with demo knights isn't all that troublesome. Rocket to their feet sends the charging cyclops into the air, usually over my head and then out comes the shotgun to finish them off.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:18
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They're not even that bad if you're a Spy, either. It's really easy to hit a target charging in a straight line towards you with the revolver, especially if you have the Enforcer.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:33
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The only thing that annoys me about the speed increased weapons is that they seem to mess with the hit boxes loads. If you play against some one with a bad computer/internet they can be almost unhittable. Both the targe and baby blaster seem to suffer from this.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:53
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pisshead posted:If anyone's interested, some top euro players are playing in a couple of 'showmatches' with no weapon bans to basically see how the competitive 6s game would work as Valve wants it, and if the weapon bans are really justified. The first one starts 7pm UK time Sunday on http://teamfortress.tv/stream/teamfortresstv, and the second one is the sunday after. These no weapon whitelist showmatches are set to go live in just over 5 minutes, come watch!
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Dec 14, 2014 20:57
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Zero! posted:These no weapon whitelist showmatches are set to go live in just over 5 minutes, come watch! I'm looking forward to this show. The commentator just used the phrase 'troll loadout' when describing a short circuit/gunslinger engine. Looking forward to troll load out comp play.
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Dec 14, 2014 21:21
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That demoknight Caber that happened. Pretty please someone have that giffed by the end of the night.
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Dec 14, 2014 21:34
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Holy poo poo that double direct hit airshot 
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Dec 14, 2014 21:50
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Meds getting dropped by beggar's bazooka warms my icy heart e: twitch chat even worse than usual LazyMaybe fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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I can't watch this at the moment so I'll catch up later but on a scale of 1 to total imba bullshit how is this going so far?
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