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Kyrie eleison posted:Minmaxing is a good comparison. I want to minmax my wife and children. That is sad.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Is it safe to assume you oppose affirmative action and other diversity initiatives? I thought we were talking about individuals and not states. In theory, if we could everyone to act beyond race and remove the benefits that came from it for a generation, AA and the like wouldn't be required-- this isn't true because we can't get this done. States always do things we don't allow individuals to, like declare wars or print money, so attempting to socially engineer your society (or more aptly destroy the previous engineering) doesn't seem too out of line to me. quote:I do find it really funny how openly you all oppose the idea of me opting to marry and have children of the same ethnicity as myself, though. You really think that's evil, don't you? Hilarious -- you undermine your own philosophy of personal preference, and add credibility to the arguments of the right about your true goals. Sorry, but there is no Christian commandment that you have to marry someone of another heritage. It's not opting to choose someone of the same race (I have, for the vague category of "people who are white now but 70 years ago weren't") it's acting like race or nationality is a black mark against (or a positive thing for) a potential partner. That's both racist and nationalist on it's face. And saying things like Kyrie eleison posted:I would like to preserve my genetic features in my children. Also, there really is more to ethnicity than just skin color. Heritage is a complicated issue, complete with traditions and whatnot. which is a commonly spouted white supremacist line (not calling you one) is problematic. Why is skin color even something worth conserving?
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Dec 14, 2014 13:47
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Kyrie if you aren't the most entertaining troll and are serious you should go bang that dude. God has way bigger problems to worry about than your penis and self-repression. If He weren't so busy He'd look up from orchestrating the laws of physics briefly and flash you a distracted thumbs up.
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Dec 14, 2014 13:48
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rkajdi posted:which is a commonly spouted white supremacist line (not calling you one) is problematic. Why is skin color even something worth conserving? If it isn't worth preserving, then it isn't worth raining brimstone on anybody just because they say that they are attracted to girls of a certain heritage more than to others. It shouldn't be any worse than saying that you prefer redheads, or that you don't like too skinny / tall /... girls. Is it racist when people say that, for example, Russian women are prettier than British women, or any other commonplace opinion about looks with an ethnic overtone? Like, it's not like not being sexually attracted to somebody is an act of oppression, or that it leads to oppression.
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Dec 14, 2014 14:08
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steinrokkan posted:If it isn't worth preserving, then it isn't worth raining brimstone on anybody just because they say that they are attracted to girls of a certain heritage more than to others. It shouldn't be any worse than saying that you prefer redheads, or that you don't like too skinny / tall /... girls. Is it racist when people say that, for example, Russian women are prettier than British women, or any other commonplace opinion about looks with an ethnic overtone? There's a difference between "I happen to be attracted mostly to Russian women" and "I refuse to be together with anyone browner than my lunch bag"
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Dec 14, 2014 14:11
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blowfish posted:There's a difference between "I happen to be attracted mostly to Russian women" and "I refuse to be together with anyone browner than my lunch bag" Yeah, by his own admission this has nothing to do with attraction. Because he is gay, you see. Though he obviously has picked a different reason.
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Dec 14, 2014 14:20
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steinrokkan posted:Truly, the idea of lineage is so crazy that only a racist fascist bigot idiot could even consider it. Rational people hate children and select their mates in a lottery.  Dude just because this guy is Christian like you, doesn't mean you have some brotherly obligation to white-knight his long discredited eighteenth-century racialist pseudoscience. You seem like a cool dude, why would you defend this poo poo? In other news, I find this irony amusing: Kyrie eleison posted:Christianity is directly opposed to tribalism. Kyrie eleison posted:I would prefer to marry a woman of the same race, religion, nationality, politics, and aesthetics as myself. I think this will result in the strongest family ties. So I don't really romantically pursue women outside of this category. Tribalism is anti-Christian now let me tell you how a woman from that strange tribe over the hill and the half-breed kids we might have aren't good enough. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Dec 14, 2014 15:09
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I missed that part. Yes, yes that is that crazy.
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Dec 14, 2014 16:11
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blowfish posted:There's a difference between "I happen to be attracted mostly to Russian women" and "I refuse to be together with anyone browner than my lunch bag" I really don't see how the difference here matters or affects anyone differently except him.
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Dec 14, 2014 16:27
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Vaall posted:I really don't see how the difference here matters or affects anyone differently except him. A lot of racism doesn't actually effect anyone but the person themselves, what is your point? We are making fun of him for being racist, it doesn't really matter who it effects.
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Dec 14, 2014 16:28
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CharlestheHammer posted:A lot of racism doesn't actually effect anyone but the person themselves, what is your point? Exactly, so why should anybody give a poo poo about this again?
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Dec 14, 2014 16:31
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Vaall posted:Exactly, so why should anybody give a poo poo about this again? It is fun to make fun of racists. Plus you should always mock racists whenever they come up. Though obviously you give a poo poo for some reason, so maybe you should look inward to find the answer?
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Dec 14, 2014 16:34
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Kyrie eleison posted:I would like to preserve my genetic features in my children. Yeah, because that worked out smashingly for some other Catholics I could mention.
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Dec 14, 2014 16:36
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Vaall posted:I really don't see how the difference here matters or affects anyone differently except him. The first is an analysis of past experience. The second is a an expectation of future decision making based on a set of criteria. Now, upon further analysis you may find that you have only been attracted to a group of people because of an underlying strain of racist thought, but that isn't always the case. The second case is much less ambiguous.
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Dec 14, 2014 16:40
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We're just giving his racism negative reinforcement in the free marketplace of ideas. I thought that was the only Conservative-Approved method. It's funny that when liberals do exactly what conservatives want: apply social consequences to racism rather than legal ones, the goalpoasts instantly shift and now mocking racists is sooooooooo meeeeeeeaaaan. Multiculturalist bullies QQ
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Dec 14, 2014 16:40
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Your kids are going to look like you no matter what, you racist moron, that's how genetics work. What you want is a clone of yourself. Do you know what the proper reason to marry someone is? Not because they will give you the perfect blond-haired blue eye master race aryan children that you want, but because two people love one another. And you haven't mentioned love a single time, not once. And I'm not even sure you know what it is, or rather that you do and experienced it with another man and have convinced yourself that a willingness to choke down your own vomit long enough to cum in a vagina is "close enough". So because you aren't looking for love in a women but instead just want a set of desirably genetic features I don't understand why you don't just hire a compatible surrogate mother and then just hire a full-time live in nanny to help you raise the child. Well, not so much "raise", because you need to love your children for that, as you'll be locking them in your basement and reading them passages from And hey, you know who else was a Catholic obsessed with everyone finding a culturally and ethnically compatible partner to ensure that their heritage would continue? 
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Dec 14, 2014 16:42
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Kyrie eleison posted:Who's to say it'll be loveless? It's just a matter of common goals, commitment, and regular activities to keep the love burning. I really don't think you have any concept of love. It is not a matter of mechanical activities, you don't do the steps and then produce or prolong love. It certainly doesn't show any concern for how your partner might be feeling. Everything you've listed is all about you, you want children, you want them to look like you, your genetics must be preserved, you will produce love by going through the motions. Love is almost entirely the opposite of that, it inspires you to give everything. You're a Christian, surely you understand how it feels to love God? That is what you should be feeling towards another person. Ideally towards everyone to some degree but that's harder. There is a difference between considering the practicality of a relationship and making your decision completely without emotion, If you can't put emotion and love into other people you probably shouldn't be in a relationship, because your partner will almost certainly want that from the relationship, and you absolutely should not have children because they will definitely need that from you.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:19
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Dec 14, 2014 18:03
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Vaall posted:This thread just went full retard more so than Kyrie himself. So you support white supremacy and think those that don't are retarded is what you're saying.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:08
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Who What Now posted:So you support white supremacy and think those that don't are retarded is what you're saying. Maybe he's an Emden or Darkwater parachute account, given his reg date? 
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Dec 14, 2014 18:30
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Who What Now posted:So you support white supremacy and think those that don't are retarded is what you're saying. ThirdPartyView posted:Maybe he's an Emden or Darkwater parachute account, given his reg date? This totally must be it.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:45
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Vaall posted:This totally must be it. If you don't support white supremacism then what exactly is your issue with our criticism?
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Dec 14, 2014 19:00
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CharlestheHammer posted:It is fun to make fun of racists. Plus you should always mock racists whenever they come up. It is people like you who makes me absolutely not care if someone calls me "racist" -- so thank you for that. The idea that choosing to have children of the same ethnicity of you is racist, is a total confirmation of what the right says about you people. So again, I am not changing my mind one bit, and feel nicely convinced I am on the right track. Ignored. VitalSigns posted:Tribalism is anti-Christian now let me tell you how a woman from that strange tribe over the hill and the half-breed kids we might have aren't good enough. I believe that all people are children of God and can be brothers in Christ. This contrasts to Judaism, which takes my opinions about ethnicity and marriage and makes them a rule of the religion, to the extent you can't even be considered Jewish unless you have a Jewish mother. I believe that religion is universal. However, this does not obligate me to marry someone of a different ethnicity.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:26
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Who What Now posted:If you don't support white supremacism then what exactly is your issue with our criticism? You come off as overly concerned about a mentally ill tribalist religious nutjob (or troll) not wanting to spit out some kids with brown chicks. Not surprising, this is D&D after all. He already ignored my suggested of pursuing hispanic women.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:28
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Kyrie eleison posted:It is people like you who makes me absolutely not care if someone calls me "racist" -- so thank you for that. I'd ask whether you seriously can't see the implications in consciously discriminating between potential spouses on a racial basis, not on a trivial "hey I'm just not into people with [FEATURE]" basis but rather "I only want children who are ethnically pure." I'd ask that, but the answer seems to be an emphatic "no." I mean come on, for all some are laying it on a bit thick, you should be able to admit there's something a wee bit off about declaring such huge swaths of humanity off limits as potential future spouses because they don't have the right color skin or whatever. Then again, your reaction to pretty much anything anyone has said that disagrees with you has been to stamp your feet, declare it only proves you more right, and then put them on ignore with all the class and restraint of a 8-year-old screaming, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" mid-temper tantrum, so I'm less than optimistic.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:33
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Kyrie eleison posted:It is people like you who makes me absolutely not care if someone calls me "racist" -- so thank you for that. Like many racists you are blind to your own bigotry and having it pointed out to you makes you uncomfortable. So you shut it out because you are terrified that they are right about you. Cowardly.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:43
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Who What Now posted:Like many racists you are blind to your own bigotry and having it pointed out to you makes you uncomfortable. So you shut it out because you are terrified that they are right about you. Cowardly. No, I just don't agree with your arguments, and disrespect your tone. In fact, I think your argument that it is wrong of me to want to preserve my heritage is racist.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:45
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You'd think D&D would be happy that Kyrie doesn't want to date brown women. The contrarian tendencies of autism never cease to amaze me.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:46
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Seriously though, since I have to make it more clear: do you hold practitioners of Judaism to the same standard? They teach in a religious context that it is a religious requirement that Jews only marry fellow Jews. So, are you consistent? Do you believe Judaism is inherently racist?
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Dec 14, 2014 19:48
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Kyrie eleison posted:No, I just don't agree with your arguments, and disrespect your tone. In fact, I think your argument that it is wrong of me to want to preserve my heritage is racist. Look man, I'm trying to be fair with your (for a change), but this is seriously approaching 14 words-level poo poo here. Kyrie eleison posted:Seriously though, since I have to make it more clear: do you hold practitioners of Judaism to the same standard? They teach in a religious context that it is a religious requirement that Jews only marry fellow Jews. So, are you consistent? Do you believe Judaism is inherently racist? Honestly? That particular provision has always struck me as parochial and backward, and those families who bewail their offspring dating non-Jews (or even insufficiently devout Jews) as emotionally abusive at best. Then again, I don't know that it's really A Thing outside of Orthodox Judaism (and possible Conservative, but I really don't know either variant well enough to say), so I wouldn't go blanket-accusing all of Judaism of that particular practice. Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Kyrie eleison posted:Seriously though, since I have to make it more clear: do you hold practitioners of Judaism to the same standard? They teach in a religious context that it is a religious requirement that Jews only marry fellow Jews. So, are you consistent? Do you believe Judaism is inherently racist? I believe some strains of Judaism are inherently racist, but I am also aware of many groups that do not hold to that requirement, so I would also say it is not appropriate to paint an entire people with that brush.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:50
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Look man, I'm trying to be fair with your (for a change), but this is seriously approaching 14 words-level poo poo here. What if a black person, like Muhammad Ali, wants to marry a black woman and have black children? Is that 14 words?
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Bel Shazar posted:I believe some strains of Judaism are inherently racist, but I am also aware of many groups that do not hold to that requirement, so I would also say it is not appropriate to paint an entire people with that brush. Look, it's a well-established tenet of the religion whether "some groups" believe it or not. I can cite Scripture if you like.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:51
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Kyrie eleison posted:It is people like you who makes me absolutely not care if someone calls me "racist" -- so thank you for that. We're not trying to say you're obligated to marry a different ethnicity, it's just that you've ruled out the possibility arbitrarily. Look, I'm gonna go out of my way to be thorough, because it's clear you aren't getting quite why people are decrying you as racist. It's not that you've expressed interest in white women the way one might have a thing for redheads. You have ruled out even the possibility of ending up with a woman of a different ethnic background. It's one thing to say "I consider it likely that I will end up with a white woman, simply because I've dated/been interested in mostly white women in the past." It's quite another to say "despite any other qualities a particular woman might possess, if she is non-white, she is unfit to be with me." And your reasoning has to do with the ethnicity of your eventual children. You understand that you are assigning a negative value to being non-white, correct? You are saying, "if my kids are not pure white, that is a bad thing". You don't see how that is racist? Considering non-whiteness to be bad? This is a serious and non-rhetorical question, by the way.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:53
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Kyrie eleison posted:What if a black person, like Muhammad Ali, wants to marry a black woman and have black children? Is that 14 words? If your reasons for marrying and having kids is primarily one of preserving/extending your supposed ethnic heritage, rather than being in love and wanting to start a family, then you've less in common with Muhammed Ali and more with the Lebensborn Program, dude.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Seriously though, since I have to make it more clear: do you hold practitioners of Judaism to the same standard? They teach in a religious context that it is a religious requirement that Jews only marry fellow Jews. So, are you consistent? Do you believe Judaism is inherently racist? The idea that one must be racially pure is racist, yes. But many, if not most, of Jews in America are willing to date outside of their religion and "ethnicity" and those that do not are quickly dying off. Kyrie eleison posted:No, I just don't agree with your arguments, and disrespect your tone. In fact, I think your argument that it is wrong of me to want to preserve my heritage is racist. Your heritage would still be based to your children no matter who you have children with. That's how it works, you moron. It is literally impossible to have a child that does not sure your same ancestors because they came from you. Heritage and culture are learned, they are not genetic. Christ, even if you adopted you could still pass down your heritage to them by teaching them to revere and respect the same past that you do. So yes, the idea of racial purity is a racist concept because "race" is an arbitrary construction invented by man that does not actually exist in reality. So being so concerned with it absolutely is racist.
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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:We're not trying to say you're obligated to marry a different ethnicity, it's just that you've ruled out the possibility arbitrarily. I did not do so "arbitrarily." I gave good reasons for it which nobody has acknowledged. You just passed over them as if they were irrelevant. And it's not about whiteness. I never said it was. If I wasn't white, I would marry whatever ethnicity I was. Captain_Maclaine posted:If your reasons for marrying and having kids is primarily one of preserving/extending your supposed ethnic heritage, rather than being in love and wanting to start a family, then you've less in common with Muhammed Ali and more with the Lebensborn Program, dude. Muhammad Ali was a Nation of Islam member who talked openly against inter-marriage. Fortunately, like Malcolm X, he eventually left that racist religious group behind, and accepted mainstream Islam which is anti-racist. However, that does not mean he changed his personal views about marriage.
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Who What Now posted:The idea that one must be racially pure is racist, yes. But many, if not most, of Jews in America are willing to date outside of their religion and "ethnicity" and those that do not are quickly dying off. I assure you that amongst Jews, the idea that Jews should marry other Jews is not "quickly dying off." Again, it is a time-held religious tenet. http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/148995/jewish/On-Intermarriage.htm So, I repeat, based on everything you've said: Is Judaism racist?
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