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Xelkelvos posted:You forget that 18-49 year old females also wanted to nail Zachary Quinto. Jeph Loeb.
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hiddenriverninja posted:Jeph Loeb. He was part of the first season and fired during the third.
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Dec 15, 2014 17:02
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Whizbang posted:Flash and Heroes both have secret techniques to massively cut down on SFX cuts, but the problem with Heroes is that their technique was having Mohinder hold the door closed so they didn't have to show anything. I do wonder if effects costs have gone down in the intervening 6 years or so.
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Dec 15, 2014 17:07
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computer parts posted:I do wonder if effects costs have gone down in the intervening 6 years or so. Without a doubt. But I'm guessing budgets for shows have also come down as well.
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Dec 15, 2014 18:39
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The increasing shift to higher and higher definition content probably offsets any lowering of effects costs
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Dec 15, 2014 18:41
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So I really do enjoy this show a ton, and I don't want to say that it's in spite of some really hammy dialogue - but it sometimes feels that way. They're really clever with some of it, but it got really bad during last week's bedtime speech from mom to little Barry.
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Dec 15, 2014 18:54
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Red posted:So I really do enjoy this show a ton, and I don't want to say that it's in spite of some really hammy dialogue - but it sometimes feels that way. They're really clever with some of it, but it got really bad during last week's bedtime speech from mom to little Barry. It doesn't help that Little Barry is a poo poo actor. I mean, I know he's a kid and all, but there are good kid actors. The kid who plays Bruce in Gotham is one of the only good parts of that show. Little Barry just brings down every scene he is involved in.
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Dec 15, 2014 19:51
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hiddenriverninja posted:The weirdest thing about Heroes is they kept on creating different characters with different powers just to keep Ali Larter on the show. Hey now, that wrapped all the way around from stupid back to awesome/hilarious. Flesh Forge posted:Well yeah to be fair Zachary Quinto was at least half of the 20% of Heroes that was not garbage. The writers did some dumb as gently caress things with his character but he was a real trouper. Which was both a blessing and a curse because they basically had The Spike Problem from Buffy all over again. The character is beloved, the actor is fantastic in the role, but the narrative really demands that at some point they die/suffer final consequences of their action that writes them out of the story.
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Dec 15, 2014 20:22
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Spergatory posted:It doesn't help that Little Barry is a poo poo actor. I mean, I know he's a kid and all, but there are good kid actors. The kid who plays Bruce in Gotham is one of the only good parts of that show. Little Barry just brings down every scene he is involved in. Compared to the actress who played Plastique, that kid is a young Orson Welles.
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Dec 15, 2014 21:32
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The acting in this show, with exception of Tom Cavanagh and Jesse Martin, ranges from mediocre to bad (Oh my god Grant Gustin). But it honestly does not matter, because we have the loving Flash on TV and it is fun and exciting even with mediocre acting. They're good enough for the job at hand.
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Dec 15, 2014 21:39
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Honestly this show is so campy and pulpy that I don't think I've ever really put much thought to the acting. It only really matters in the heavy emotional scenes where Barry talks about his mom or Joe and he bond or Kaitlin is sad about Ronnie. They tend to be kind of melodramatic but it fits the show. Flash is very much a comic book put on a TV screen.
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Dec 15, 2014 22:20
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To be fair to Heroes, it was basically ruined by the writers strike and the network refusing to let them use a different cast every season.
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Dec 15, 2014 22:42
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I thought Heroes was bad way before the writer's strike, though. So it was bad this way instead of bad that way.
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Dec 15, 2014 22:55
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Lycus posted:I thought Heroes was bad way before the writer's strike, though. So it was bad this way instead of bad that way. I could be wrong but I thought that the second season had it's story and ending completely changed midway in the season because of the strike. This was after they were told they couldn't do their original plan of having a different cast each season. Also, I feel bad for anyone that made it all the way through the circus season. That's what finally got me to quit that show. (I should have quit it long before that.)
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Spacebump posted:I could be wrong but I thought that the second season had it's story and ending completely changed midway in the season because of the strike. This was after they were told they couldn't do their original plan of having a different cast each season. Also, I feel bad for anyone that made it all the way through the circus season. That's what finally got me to quit that show. (I should have quit it long before that.) I just don't know that it could've been any better. The first season had some entertaining episodes early on and then ended up being really bad, so I'm not going to say it was later "ruined" by the writer's strike or changing plans or whatever. As far as I'm concerned, it was just staining a stain. Lycus fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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Dec 15, 2014 23:07
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Why should we be extra sympathetic to Heroes because of the strike when a bunch of other shows were similarly impacted and went on to do just fine?
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Dec 15, 2014 23:09
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Timett posted:Why should we be extra sympathetic to Heroes because of the strike when a bunch of other shows were similarly impacted and went on to do just fine? Such as?
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Dec 15, 2014 23:10
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zoux posted:Such as? Breaking Bad is the first thing to jump to mind. Friday Night Lights had one rough season but pulled it together. Without doing research that's the best I can do.
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Dec 15, 2014 23:11
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zoux posted:Such as? Supernatural is still going.
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Dec 15, 2014 23:12
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Oh I didn't realize Supernatural had writers 
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zoux posted:Oh I didn't realize Supernatural had writers 
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Whenever the writer's strike is mentioned I
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Dec 15, 2014 23:18
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Five Years Gone (sans Mohinder's door holding power) and Company Man were pretty great. I give Heroes Season 1 a pass simply on the strength of those two episodes.
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Dec 15, 2014 23:18
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Yeah the writers strike hosed over a lot more shows than made it through. Not that we have to justify poo poo, but it would've been cool if Heroes had been a good show for a number of seasons.
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Dec 15, 2014 23:19
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I liked Heroes, but when I rewatched it, there is a visible dip in quality between season 1's finale and season 2's premiere.
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Dec 15, 2014 23:27
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Senerio posted:I liked Heroes, but when I rewatched it, there is a visible dip in quality between season 1's finale and season 2's premiere. It's because Season 2 blew like over a half of their budget on that one flashback scene where Peter saves Nathan and is all burnt up and poo poo after he exploded.
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Dec 15, 2014 23:31
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I'm pseudo-excited for Heroes Reborn, because last I heard, Jack Coleman was the only returning cast member, and he was my favorite, so that's good.
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Don't know if this has been brought up but I thought it was a nice touch, I just re watched the episode and noticed that Well's ring has a hinge on it as if it opens up, that was a nice touch.
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To change gears slightly, we ate lunch ate a local cafe and they had soap operas and I saw TV's Smallville's Green Arrow, Justin Hartley. Do you guys think he gets angry at how popular Amell is with the fans?
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hamsystem posted:Whenever the writer's strike is mentioned I At least Bryan Fuller is making Hannibal and it's seemingly safe from network interference because he's got outside funding and at least 3 cable companies hovering over the show salivating at the chance to pick it up if NBC drops it.
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It's me. I'm the person that liked large portions of Heroes season 4. (Seasons 2 and 3 were garbage though) e: \/ Matt trapping Peter and Sylar inside of Sylar's head was one of the last few eps of season 4, and was pretty awesome. They spent (to them) decades in there becoming friends, and it was only an afternoon in the real world. aBagorn fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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Dec 16, 2014 04:58
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aBagorn posted:It's me. Yeah S4 was good. I can't remember S2/S3 though. Which one had the arc with the immortal guy and the speedster lady. or the episode where Peter and Sylar (?) get imprisoned in some kind of mind thing by Matt, that was good too
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Rhyno posted:To change gears slightly, we ate lunch ate a local cafe and they had soap operas and I saw TV's Smallville's Green Arrow, Justin Hartley. Do you guys think he gets angry at how popular Amell is with the fans? Justin Hartley can play Aquaman like he did in that pilot Mercy Reef.
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Dec 16, 2014 05:26
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Eddain posted:Justin Hartley can play Aquaman like he did in that pilot Mercy Reef. I'm really surprised Geoff Johns hasn't shoved an Aquaman TV show down our throats. He's obsessed with Aquaman just like how he's obsessed with Cyborg.
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Dec 16, 2014 05:38
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Aquaman is every bit as badass as Wonder Woman. Let's be fair.
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Dec 16, 2014 05:50
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Jose Oquendo posted:I'm really surprised Geoff Johns hasn't shoved an Aquaman TV show down our throats. He's obsessed with Aquaman just like how he's obsessed with Cyborg. It's a shame we probably won't see any version of a live action Doom Patrol anytime soon. Robotman is way more interesting and badass compared to Cyborg who's just a poor substitute for Martian Manhunter
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bobkatt013 posted:He was part of the first season and fired during the third. IIRC the guy who was in some capacity the lead writer left to do Pushing Daisies and Loeb basically got his job. And then aBagorn posted:It's me. And after Loeb got fired, the guy who left for Pushing Daisies was brought back (iirc because PD had by that point been canceled) for season 4, which managed to salvage a surprising amount of the fecal matter left by the middle seasons (though I seem to recall PD dude leaving partway through to work on something else, though he'd basically written the season out by that point). This is all from my recollection and I probably have some specifics wrong, but I think that's about the gist.
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zoux posted:Yeah the writers strike hosed over a lot more shows than made it through. Not that we have to justify poo poo, but it would've been cool if Heroes had been a good show for a number of seasons. Heroes is hilarious because the second season basically jettisoned most of the writing staff and so you had writers who were fans of the show doing the writing over people who could write. So every other character got special attention in one episode and jack poo poo in another. Zachary Quinto at one point admitted that every episode was basically filmed twice because of rewrites to try to make an actual storyline.
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Habibi posted:This is all from my recollection and I probably have some specifics wrong, but I think that's about the gist. Sounds about right. Just thought I'd add the guy you're talking about is Bryan Fuller, currently doing an awesome job with Hannibal on NBC.
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Valeyard posted:Yeah S4 was good. I can't remember S2/S3 though. Which one had the arc with the immortal guy and the speedster lady. or the episode where Peter and Sylar (?) get imprisoned in some kind of mind thing by Matt, that was good too Which one had the episode where Peter takes his new Irish girlfriend to a dystopian future, gets her kidnapped by basically the KGB, and then returns to the present without her, never to speak of her again? WHY did they think they could write a story about a guy with every superpower and a.) Think they had the budget for it and b.) Not realize he could effortlessly solve any problems they gave him unless they wrote him to be a complete moron?
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