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The Real Foogla posted:Du kannst nach hause fahrn. Repeated 1000 times. I still haven't quite figured out what the melody on that one is supposed to be. It's sung rather consistently, but not in a way that makes sense harmonically. Libluini posted:Something like this happened to me three times by now. Nearly every time I'm travelling longer then 1-2 hours by train, the Deutsche Bahn suddenly fucks up, just for me.
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Libluini posted:The secret of our trains: The Deutsche Bahn defines a "Verspätung" as a train coming late by more than five minutes. so what you're saying is germans aren't actually punctual and efficient, but are instead rather slow and dim-witted and have just convinced themselves and everyone else that they're punctual and efficient? that explains a whole heck of a lot actually
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icantfindaname posted:so what you're saying is germans aren't actually punctual and efficient, but are instead rather slow and dim-witted and have just convinced themselves and everyone else that they're punctual and efficient? That actually used to be the German stereotype mainly inspired by the South Germans before GLORIOUS PRUSSIA took charge of things. (Which is kinda ironic, because a lot of our industry is actually located in the South.) Libluini posted:Well, do they also tell people a train needing 15 minutes to enter the station "doesn't count as being late"? 
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Randler posted:That actually used to be the German stereotype mainly inspired by the South Germans before GLORIOUS PRUSSIA took charge of things. (Which is kinda ironic, because a lot of our industry is actually located in the South.) Yes, now. But for a long time most of the industry was definitely in the north, while Bavaria was a pretty agrarian state, which only really changed after WW2.
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icantfindaname posted:so what you're saying is germans aren't actually punctual and efficient, but are instead rather slow and dim-witted and have just convinced themselves and everyone else that they're punctual and efficient? 
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Torrannor posted:Yes, now. But for a long time most of the industry was definitely in the north, while Bavaria was a pretty agrarian state, which only really changed after WW2. Franconia was kind of industrialized before, Bavaria proper not so much.
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In related news, if the very punctual Swiss train services know that there is a train from Germany coming, they plan for it being late by have a reserve train ready. Switzerland is train transport done right. it is iirc State owned, but ran efficiently, with the goal of maximising customer satisfaction and reliability while not running a deficit.
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Mightypeon posted:In related news, if the very punctual Swiss train services know that there is a train from Germany coming, they plan for it being late by have a reserve train ready. Not entirely sure what the "but" does there, the Bahn was a lot better back when it was state run here as well.
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e X posted:Not entirely sure what the "but" does there, the Bahn was a lot better back when it was state run here as well. This is an US message board, I kind of expect that people are heavily into "goberment can do nothing" propaganda. Btw. the East German trains services were also more punctual than the Bahn.
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Government being less efficient at running things than private companies is one of the currently most harmful lies.
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The Deutsche Bahn is actually still owned and run by the state.
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Edit: I have the reading comprehension and attention span of a 6th grader.
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Mightypeon posted:In related news, if the very punctual Swiss train services know that there is a train from Germany coming, they plan for it being late by have a reserve train ready. You should keep in mind that they have less than 1/10 of the railway network the Deutsche Bahn provides. That makes a lot of things a lot easier. Lucy Heartfilia posted:Government being less efficient at running things than private companies is one of the currently most harmful lies. Do you have any fact's that support this statement?
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GaussianCopula posted:Do you have any fact's that support this statement? You believe that for profit is inherently better. Really? Please give proof that the US healthcare system is fulfilling it's purpose better than the German one. How is people dying of rotting teeth better than people getting toothaches treated in a timely manner? And there are plenty of examples for privatization making things worse. Lucy Heartfilia fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Dec 13, 2014 |
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:You believe that for profit is inherently better. Really? Privatization can work when there arent natural monopolies, and when people can make repeated customer choices in which the behaviour of the last provider can be taken into account. Rail transport is a natural monopoly, and once a health insurance company screw you over for real you are pretty much dead (or cannot get a new insurance due to pre existing conditions). Basically, both are something that just shouldnt be privatized. Supermarkets on the other hand work better as private companies (I had some experience with the GDR equivalents) then they do as state run businesses. I would prefer that indigenous resource extraction is state run with the profits going directly into state coffers/future funds like in Norway. I am also inclined towards state run weapon production, although there are also good arguments against that. I would also be very strongly in favor of state run drug design. That is simply an area where going after a profit does not work much if at all. The choice on which f.e. Pathogen we want to focus our research assets should be made in an utilitarian, not in a profit based, way. If privatization is a good idea or not also depends on societal factors, like, quality and ethos of your public servants etc.
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Yeah. Privatizing everything is as useles as having everything run by the public. And also just because something should be run by either doesn't mean that it will be run efficiently.
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GaussianCopula posted:Do you have any fact's that support this statement? All of reality. Also, German quality, engineering and pünktlichkeit is a very handy marketing gimmick that Germany and German brands (understandably) milk for all it is worth. It's just a stereotype though, and as such unsurprisingly false.
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German government runs it's Brandwein monopoly so efficiently that it actually makes a loss. 
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Randler posted:German government runs it's Brandwein monopoly so efficiently that it actually makes a loss. Gotta keep that Navy strong! :cryinghelmut:
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GaussianCopula posted:Do you have any fact's that support this statement? http://www.psiru.org/reports/public-and-private-sector-efficiency quote:Authors: (Bolding mine.)
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e X posted:Gotta keep that Navy strong! The navy is funded by the Schaumwein tax you ignorant pleb!
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Germany: the only acceptable form of patriotism is to get shitfaced.
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Someone is spamming these here:  in English: Germany is experiencing an Islamic invasion and politics and media are helping it. Politicians and "social democrat Sleepyheads with leftist-green appendices" are idiots and shall wake up.
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I went to two Weihnachtsmärkte already this Christmas, none of them were called Wintermärkte. These slogans are lifted right out of the Tea Party playbook from the USA: War on Christmas, Sharia taking over the country, masses of criminal refugees/immigrants... it's disgusting.
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Torrannor posted:I went to two Weihnachtsmärkte already this Christmas, none of them were called Wintermärkte. These slogans are lifted right out of the Tea Party playbook from the USA: War on Christmas, Sharia taking over the country, masses of criminal refugees/immigrants... it's disgusting. The weird thing is it seems to "work", as in it seems to be a successful meme.
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So is it a good or a bad thing the terrible right is reinforcing the alliance of the stupid? In contrast to, for example, a liberal right, with cold-hearted assholes who however are at least not idiots, which seems to be lost to the 5% clause right now?Honj Steak posted:Someone is spamming these here:
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Honj Steak posted:Someone is spamming these here: I agree that most of those examples would, indeed, be a Schande for Deutschland. Then, my brain kicks in and the first thing I remember is that the "Juden ab ins Gas" was an isolated incident of mob-mentality escalating at some anti-Israel/pro-Hamas demonstration and had nothing to do with Islam at large and I become suspicious of the other points listed, eventually finding out that they're all either straight-up lies or non-representative of a trend and that's that. The problem we're facing is that Joe Jedermann stops after "I agree that most of those examples would, indeed, be a Schande" and goes "Yeah, I'm with these guys." and of the people WITH a functional or even highly-functional brain that end up supporting Pegida, a solid 100% go "meh, close enough" and ignore any indicator they recognize that would point towards the rest of the arguments also being bullshit. I have a brother-in-law and a sister that share garbage like the following video on Facebook and even bring it up in conversation and when you call them out on the obvious bullshit, they move some serious goalpost, or just dismiss entire arguments because you're probably just on of the sheeple that doesn't hinterfrag anything the NATO-Junta mass media are forcefeeding you. The funny thing about these "inedependent journalists" that are all shoveling money with their books, magazines, crowd-funded media outlets is that the message is basically "Alles Hinterfragen! (aber bitte nicht meine Fakten)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIyd9tXdKpY
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Cingulate posted:So is it a good or a bad thing the terrible right is reinforcing the alliance of the stupid? In contrast to, for example, a liberal right, with cold-hearted assholes who however are at least not idiots, which seems to be lost to the 5% clause right now? The AfD holds more than 10% of the seats in every Landtag elected this year. 
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:The AfD holds more than 10% of the seats in every Landtag elected this year. 
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Erbschaftssteuer teilweise verfassungswidrig, Änderung bis 2016.  Torrannor posted:I went to two Weihnachtsmärkte already this Christmas, none of them were called Wintermärkte. These slogans are lifted right out of the Tea Party playbook from the USA: War on Christmas, Sharia taking over the country, masses of criminal refugees/immigrants... it's disgusting. There are Wintermärkte in Germany that try to differentiate themselves from Weihnachtsmärkten by being very visibly not about Christmas. But the ones that got media attention were all schedulded to start when Weihnachtsmärkte are closing shop, so there is minimal overlap and no renaming. Randler fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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In other news: http://www.abendblatt.de/kultur-live/article135457312/Heftige-Diskussion-um-AfD-Anzeige-gegen-Kampnagel-Chefin.html A theatre director from Hamburg gives shelter to refugees from Africa and gets sued by the AfD. Highlight: "In einer anderen gesellschaftlichen Form würde Ihnen etwas ganz anderes blühen als diese Anzeige."
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The AfD is a nice crossbreed of NPD and FDP. "gently caress you got mine. gently caress everyone else. Especially foreigners. (Heil Hitler!)"
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:The AfD is a nice crossbreed of NPD and FDP. "gently caress you got mine. gently caress everyone else. Especially foreigners. (Heil Hitler!)" :cryingmöllemann:
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Let's talk Edathy: Inexcusable shitbag or just poor, misunderstood politician in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I agree that most of those examples would, indeed, be a Schande for Deutschland. Actually a lot of their points are in fact true. While I dont have a problem when private businesses decide that they want to market to non-christians (Gipfelkreuze in ads and Wintermärkte), I see a problem with schools and kindergärten betraying our German heritage (Bratwurst, Schnitzel) or going full pagan with "Lichterfest", because it's more PC. If you dont want to celebrate St. Martin (I enjoyed it as child, but from my observations today Germans have adopted Halloween, atleast the kids that want candy from me) than dont celebrate it but dont call it Lichterfest. The other things listed are a bit more difficult. I believe that the mentioning of "Juden ab ins Gas" is used as a clever shield against being called Nazis and not necessarly because they really support the state of Israel and the 95% number is just utter bullshit. Honj Steak posted:In other news: To illegal immigrants from Africa. These people are exactly the reason why PEGIDA gets support. Duzzy Funlop posted:Let's talk Edathy: Well, maybe he was a hidden Green? GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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GaussianCopula posted:Actually a lot of their points are in fact true. While I dont have a problem when private businesses decide that they want to market to non-christians (Gipfelkreuze in ads and Wintermärkte), I see a problem with schools and kindergärten betraying our German heritage (Bratwurst, Schnitzel) or going full pagan with "Lichterfest", because it's more PC. If you dont want to celebrate St. Martin (I enjoyed it as child, but from my observations today Germans have adopted Halloween, atleast the kids that want candy from me) than dont celebrate it but dont call it Lichterfest. You believe that is an actual problem that exists. You are just as bad as the American regressives screaming about the war on Christmas.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:You believe that is an actual problem that exists. You are just as bad as the American regressives shouting about the war on Christmas. Are you telling me that there are no schools that are no longer serving Pork because of Muslim children or that the fact that they, schools that don't serve pork, exist is not a problem? GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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GaussianCopula posted:Are you telling me that there are no schools that are no longer serving Pork because of Muslim children or that the fact that they exist is not a problem? Are you saying the fact that Muslim children exist is a problem?
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It's in some ways reassuring to see that the stuff conservatives in Germany worry about is the same as the stuff the conservatives in England do. In others, not. I would bet that the schools that do ban pork are (a) in muslim areas (b) did it without any pressure being put on them and (c) probably did it because they didn't want to go to the expense of putting procedures in place to handle different meals for different types of students, particularly given a lot of the low-wage workers doing the food prep are muslims. Because that's exactly the story of why this stuff happens in Britain.
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