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TheKingofSprings posted:uhh Because a relationship based around a servile woman who does anything for the man she idolizes and adores while he basically treats her like poo poo is honestly pretty creepy and weird? So her basically flipping out at him and getting him to realize that he was treating her like poo poo and needed her despite being unable to admit it made it a lot less creepy.
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StrifeHira posted:OK so, I dunno, as a lesbian maybe I'm a bit biased but I don't think the ending scene was really worth getting one's panties in a knot. Korra and Asami go off to the spirit world together with vague implication that their friendship might become something more romantic. It's probably as overtly gay as censorship will allow for something on Nickelodeon, but it's not like it's that distasteful as friendship or otherwise. It's also not like they showered the scene with lilies and clam shells and tacos. Come on folks. This. I wrote it earlier - it's a nice nod to the fans and what the characters have become, but not that overblown. I could gush about the mecha fight and the 1v1 and the battle in the engineering room forever. I guess I'll never understand how scenes like that, while a nice outro, can dominate an entire thread when there's giant elemental kungfu in a town built out of explosive bricks. It's us, we are the tumblr
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 21:32 |
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Hey guys the show's over fyi
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 21:34 |
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Hahahahaha, Bolin the Echidna
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 21:37 |
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Torquemadras posted:This. I wrote it earlier - it's a nice nod to the fans and what the characters have become, but not that overblown. I could gush about the mecha fight and the 1v1 and the battle in the engineering room forever. I guess I'll never understand how scenes like that, while a nice outro, can dominate an entire thread when there's giant elemental kungfu in a town built out of explosive bricks. We all expected magical kungfu what we didn't expect was the ending we got. Plus, regardless of why it came about, it was more important than the flashy wizzbang fights, as spectacular as they were. I would hope it leads to more shows taking chances and it would be cool if there are any more Avatar things with those characters it will be expanded upon. Let's face it, regardless of the general response anything that talks about it will only be a good thing. More attention drawn to it will get people who were otherwise not interested in the show interested in seeing that scene.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 21:41 |
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Torquemadras posted:This. I wrote it earlier - it's a nice nod to the fans and what the characters have become, but not that overblown. I could gush about the mecha fight and the 1v1 and the battle in the engineering room forever. I guess I'll never understand how scenes like that, while a nice outro, can dominate an entire thread when there's giant elemental kungfu in a town built out of explosive bricks. I liked the part where they cribbed shots from anime like the roof skimming from Attack on Titan and the mecha staple of shooting a beam across the sky and lighting the background up in explosions. It's a kid's show though cause those little explosions should've been all hummingbirds. Metal bending fights are still the best though but I'm kind of mad that they've only used the Azula method of flying via fire jets like what, twice in the entier series?
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 21:43 |
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Eej posted:I liked the part where they cribbed shots from anime like the roof skimming from Attack on Titan I liked that their first idea with the hummingbirds was to try to cut into the back of the neck.
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Eej posted:I liked the part where they cribbed shots from anime like the roof skimming from Attack on Titan and the mecha staple of shooting a beam across the sky and lighting the background up in explosions. It's a kid's show though cause those little explosions should've been all hummingbirds. Nah, Korra used it more than a few times and Iroh used it at least once. Mako never did but see the aforementioned "Mako kinda sucks" comments.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 21:45 |
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I'm still curious why some people are saying this makes Korra and Asami bisexual. Just because they both dated (a) guy(s) before this doesn't mean they are still interested in them. My sister used to date guys when she was a teenager but then she realised that she wasn't interested in them and was interested in girls, she would never claim to be bisexual and I think the same holds true here for our couple of ladies. Haha, one of my friends, who stopped watching the show the episode before the pro-bending championship, told me that she would only be interested in continuing if Korrasami was a thing. I kind of don't want to spoil it for her (although I did say that a same-sex relationship develops over the series) and I am honestly surprised that she immediately thought it would be those two since they're both chasing Mako, as far as she knows. People can definitely read things long before anything is written
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 21:48 |
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Eej posted:Metal bending fights are still the best though but I'm kind of mad that they've only used the Azula method of flying via fire jets like what, twice in the entier series? I like that deeply satisfying sound of massive sheets of metal being violently twisted. Flying metal knives are nasty and all, but seeing steel get crumpled like paper just screams raw power! Great fun. Also, I remember at least three instances of fire jet boots in Legend of Korra... I think they use it for wallrunning or something in S1, Korra herself does it as enraged avatar in the S3 finale, and Mako does it when boarding the Colossus. By the way, I'm calling Kuvira's mech Colossus now because it sounds awesome and it's in the episode title. You can't stop me.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 21:50 |
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Finale was super good and entertaining. Also, The Legend of Korra PC game is on sale on Steam for .
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 21:51 |
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To everyone saying, "Korra and Assami never showed any interest in women up until now, it is out of nowhere blah blah blah." Guess what, sometimes you gotta go on a hell of a journey to find out who you are. My grandfather was gay and didn't embrace that part of himself until after having three kids with my grandmother. Our journey shapes us yes but does not define who we are when we reach the end. Hell, Korra's internal struggle about being poisoned, and overcoming that is a very good example of this. Not to mention that they were pretty much building to this since they started hanging out in season three but those who are uncomfortable with homosexuality just wrote of those moments and just two friends being SUPER close. "I can't write to anyone else but you," that's the kinda thing I say to my wife. When no one else understands the person I love the most is the only one I can turn to. They didn't have more overt hint drops because I imagine Nick would have seen that and been like, "you gotta change this." If you didn't see it, you just didn't want to see it, the topic may make you uncomfortable and you may even be in denial about that discomfort. But it was far from out of nowhere and if it was to just hype LGBT then they have been building to it since season 3.
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Torquemadras posted:I like that deeply satisfying sound of massive sheets of metal being violently twisted. Flying metal knives are nasty and all, but seeing steel get crumpled like paper just screams raw power! Great fun. Don't forget every time Su uses metal as both armor and a weapon but yeah, Mako being the primary firebender of the story is really lame considering he doesn't come anywhere close to the power of any of the ones from ATLA so he just kinda doesn't contribute much. I'm also kinda sad that they didn't go back to their kung fu movie roots and have an airbender palm strike a dude or a mech suit to no apparent effect and then a split second later it just flies through a few buildings.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 21:59 |
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Eej posted:Don't forget every time Su uses metal as both armor and a weapon but yeah, Mako being the primary firebender of the story is really lame considering he doesn't come anywhere close to the power of any of the ones from ATLA so he just kinda doesn't contribute much. I actually don't think Mako was all that underwhelming in this series - he had some pretty badass moments, like the lightning strike against Amon (regardless of how lovely that finale was otherwise), that short fight during the boat chase in S2, everything vs. the water tentacle lady and, well, the engineering room in S4. It's just that he had fuckall to do in this season, which is too bad, but maybe for the best. And anyway, who are we comparing him to? Iroh and Ozai? Zuko was never that terribly impressive either - most of his crazy stunts actually involve just blades. I'm kind of glad the ultra-powerful benders of ATLA are mostly gone, aside from Toph's giant earthquake thing. Who cares, this season was pretty much Korra + Bolin + Beifong clan kicking rear end everywhere, with airbenders and Mako at the sidelines. And I'm cool with that.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 22:09 |
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Zedd posted:I thought all "relations" in TLA where goofy dorky kid ones. Right. Aang was 12, Katara was 14, Zuko was 16, during years when even being a year apart in age really matters. Aang and Katara were set up from the first moment Aang opened his eyes and I thought that was really annoying. Who falls in love forever when you're 12? But the series tried to treat it seriously at the end, and that was super annoying. I liked Korra and Asami's ending much more because it was subtle, it was a natural development of their characters, and they were both 20, so old enough to be mature but young enough to still have the world ahead of them. Also, SERIOUSLY, what was up with that circus? It's the great unexplored backstory of the Korra world.
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Torquemadras posted:And anyway, who are we comparing him to? Iroh and Ozai? Zuko was never that terribly impressive either - most of his crazy stunts actually involve just blades. I'm kind of glad the ultra-powerful benders of ATLA are mostly gone, aside from Toph's giant earthquake thing.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 22:18 |
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To be fair that was him being on all the firebender steroids.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 22:24 |
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I'm just here to say even though I bitched about the show relentlessly across Season four and I still think most of it is bad I loving loved the Finale. It basically made the rest of Season 4 worth watching, which was amazing because the rest of it was so monumentally lovely. Over the course of the series Bo Lin went from a massive joke about his lack of skill as an Earthbender to literally dropping a building on someone and probably becoming the most powerful Earth bender alive, if not one of the strongest non-avatar benders ever. Prince Wu realizes he's not fit to be a King. This kind of felt like them realizing how hosed up the lesson would be if he became King considering the rest of the stuff but even then it's good that rather then stick to their guns or w/e they went 'We shouldn't argue against Facism by putting the rightfully bloodline ruler on the throne' Parts of it were so good I legitimately thought characters might die. The show actually sold me on the fact that Mako was dead during his noble sacrifice, which was impressive. Korra didn't get to take the easy way out of some third party like a spirit or the weapon exploding next to Kuvira to solve her problem for her. She actively had to deal with Kuvira as a human being and a person who was doing what she thought was right. The Kung Fu fights were good. Varrick and Ju Lee. Korra and Asami are totally gay and that's pretty cool.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 22:30 |
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The important question about bending is if you used that jet booster fire thing, wouldn't it burn out the bottom of your shoes?! These are the questions that matter in the long run.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 22:31 |
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:"Zhu-Li, do the thing!" I liked that line, but it just didn't have the punch of "I don't think boomerang's coming back."
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 22:34 |
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Stallion Cabana posted:Over the course of the series Bo Lin went from a massive joke about his lack of skill as an Earthbender to literally dropping a building on someone and probably becoming the most powerful Earth bender alive, if not one of the strongest non-avatar benders ever. If I remember correctly you see the Beifong sisters in the background helping out. My only peeve with the story (same for TLA) is that all the central characters become so ridiculously powerful. I mean I get why; it's a kid show and you need to have a reason to keep them around and not just have the Avatar solve everything so they have to somewhat scale with the baddies. I just don't like it.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 22:34 |
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Namarrgon posted:If I remember correctly you see the Beifong sisters in the background helping out. They didn't help him at the start of the finale when he literally lifts an entire buildings worth of rubble over his head and holds it while everyone evacuates.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 22:36 |
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Yeah over the course of the last two seasons Bolin has gotten buff as hell and it owns.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 22:40 |
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Bolin is fairly ridiculously strong. He can't metalbend (yet, Toph implies he could) but even if he was incredibly lovely otherwise being able to lavabend is an absurd trump card.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 22:41 |
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I gotta say, that really surprised me. From the quality to the way they ended this show, I feel like they took all of my concerns were heard and they delivered something really great. Everyone got a good piece of the pie and the Korra and Asami dynamic was something I was waiting to happen, but kept quiet about it. Sometimes people forget that real relationships start up from a really strong friendship and develop into something more. Whether they're sexually attracted to one another isn't really something they'll delve into deeply in a kids show anyway. The show had its fair share of problems, but it was also a fairly fun ride. I was really impressed by the finale.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 22:49 |
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dj_clawson posted:Who falls in love forever when you're 12? To be fair, who travels across the world to stop a dictator from conquering everything when you're twelve?
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Stallion Cabana posted:Over the course of the series Bo Lin went from a massive joke about his lack of skill as an Earthbender to literally dropping a building on someone and probably becoming the most powerful Earth bender alive, if not one of the strongest non-avatar benders ever. Bo Lin's development has probably been my favorite over the course of LoK. He still makes lame jokes at inopportune times, but his misadventures with Varrick show that he can think his way out of some tough situations, make friendships that aren't related to being around Mako, and generally be a complete badass in a fight.
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Torquemadras posted:I like that deeply satisfying sound of massive sheets of metal being violently twisted. Flying metal knives are nasty and all, but seeing steel get crumpled like paper just screams raw power! Great fun. I particularly love the way Lin bends it. Just completely raw and unrestrained. Mako also used it against Ghazan in the final episode. The only reason I remember it is because I thought it was completely ridiculous in that fight. And I thought that was what we were supposed to call it. If not I didn't get the memo and will be very disappointed.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 23:07 |
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Sad to hear the series is over, I watched the first two seasons on Amazon prime and actually like this series. I feel its a shame it had to be on Nickelodeon, I think if it had a backing studio that actually wanted it to succeed/ allow it to target young adults it could have been better ,but whatever its good so far. Ill probably watch the next couple of seasons on project free tv or what have you, happy to hear the series had a good ending, I dont mind spoilers that much (I am weird). Things I really like about the series so far Battles were really cool, they stepped up the action parts of this series alot over ATLA. Liked the Equalists from the first season, seemed a pretty reasonable reaction to the relative power of benders vs normal people in the universe. Liked alot of the expanded world building, this Avatar world seems alot more populated than it previously was. In season two which I felt had alot of problems really liked the flashback episodes to the first Avatar Weird/cool combinations of technology and bending. The interactions of Tenzin/Siblings etc. especially in how the deal with being the children of Aang.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 23:08 |
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I think on rewatch I'm just going to skip Season 1 and the Season 2 (up to the wan episodes because those episodes and the ones after them in Season 2 are great) Season 3 & 4 were pretty great but the series as a whole suffers from needing more episodes in every season.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 23:10 |
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I re watched the first three seasons before the season 4 premier, so I went back in with a clear idea of what to expect.
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I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet, but I feel like bisexuality and a fluid idea of gender has been a part of the Avatar world since they introduced the past life concept in the original series. The central character is always the same person, but reincarnated into a different form. That different form can be either gender, and has had wives and husbands in the past. In a way, that's a powerful statement in itself, and the final Korra/Asami relationship complements that idea.
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Torquemadras posted:This. I wrote it earlier - it's a nice nod to the fans and what the characters have become, but not that overblown. I could gush about the mecha fight and the 1v1 and the battle in the engineering room forever. I guess I'll never understand how scenes like that, while a nice outro, can dominate an entire thread when there's giant elemental kungfu in a town built out of explosive bricks. I will say this: I am absolutely amazed, in retrospect, that they managed to keep things tense and exciting throughout almost an hour of action scenes in which only one person died, and that one death was telegraphed all to hell, and yet it never felt cheap. Yeah, it's a kid's show, but they managed to keep a much better sense of scale and rising stakes than most modern action movies, without any of the bloodshed, just through good visual storytelling. Compare it to Michael Bay movies where there are rivers of blood and dozens of robots fight and he makes it feel small and shoddy and meaningless.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 23:30 |
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What a great show and fantastic final scene. What I think really makes it is that the Korra/Asami thing is a great way to kind of endnote everything, but it never once overtook the rest of the story or defined who the characters were. You rarely see that kind of relationship develop in a natural, thoughtful way, let alone in a children's show. It was probably one of the best realistic depictions of fluid sexuality in television I've seen yet. Of course, that shouldn't mean the rest of the show wasn't great either. Aside from the weak Season 2, this has been, by far, one of my favorite shows of the past few years. Yeah, it's a kid's show blah blah but there's just something very thoughtful, and even romantic, about the way it told its story and was presented. It really engaged me more than than even the first Avatar series did, and I loved that to death. I really hope the creators can move away from Nickelodeon and find a distributor that will give them more leeway on their development, because those two have a ridiculous amount of talent that feels like is being constrained a bit. I can't wait to see their next project.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:I will say this: I am absolutely amazed, in retrospect, that they managed to keep things tense and exciting throughout almost an hour of action scenes in which only one person died, and that one death was telegraphed all to hell, and yet it never felt cheap. Yeah, it's a kid's show, but they managed to keep a much better sense of scale and rising stakes than most modern action movies, without any of the bloodshed, just through good visual storytelling. Korra's pretty good about killing just enough people for their death fakeouts to work. Last season, I really was convinced that Tenzin had just been beaten to death; this time, I was sure Mako was toast.
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# ? Dec 19, 2014 23:53 |
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.........Heh. This was something I posted back in the book 3 thread.BrianWilly posted:I think the safest (read: safest, not the most admirable or ideal) outcome, and the outcome that is most likely to occur given the circumstances, is that Bryke will make someone like Desna queer. He fits a lot of the stereotypes, but not in an overwhelmingly negative way, and is enough of a tertiary character that it wouldn't step on any toes or draw too much ire from the folks liable to be angry about this sort of things. And even then, even given all that, I wouldn't posit it as being very likely at all since this is ultimately a Nickelodeon-produced series. So naive.
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Axel Serenity posted:What a great show and fantastic final scene. What I think really makes it is that the Korra/Asami thing is a great way to kind of endnote everything, but it never once overtook the rest of the story or defined who the characters were. This is also why I could really appreciate that last scene, even though I really didn't care for the relationship side of the show. It just fit perfectly into the story, and we weren't hit over the head with it. The story was never about that kind of thing, there was no drama due to it, it just feels natural. It's weird how this seems like an accident almost - I'm pretty sure this outcome wasn't planned way back. But it really was the best way to handle things, AND the most respectful way to boot. Hell, there's roughly triple the amount of competent, martial-artsy women in charge running around than in comparable shows, and it's no big deal in-universe. Strange how that turned out, given how clumsy this show usually was. I can respect that, and I certainly appreciate that - but for me, the main selling point of the whole franchise will always be one thing... Old Kentucky Shark posted:I will say this: I am absolutely amazed, in retrospect, that they managed to keep things tense and exciting throughout almost an hour of action scenes in which only one person died, and that one death was telegraphed all to hell, and yet it never felt cheap. Yeah, it's a kid's show, but they managed to keep a much better sense of scale and rising stakes than most modern action movies, without any of the bloodshed, just through good visual storytelling. GODDAMN MAGICAL KUNGFU, HELL YEAH
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Stallion Cabana posted:Over the course of the series Bo Lin went from a massive joke about his lack of skill as an Earthbender to literally dropping a building on someone and probably becoming the most powerful Earth bender alive, if not one of the strongest non-avatar benders ever. JT Jag posted:Yeah over the course of the last two seasons Bolin has gotten buff as hell and it owns. Rap Record Hoarder posted:Bo Lin's development has probably been my favorite over the course of LoK. BrianWilly posted:.........Heh. This was something I posted back in the book 3 thread.
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TV Club knows what's upquote:Endings reveal a lot about the overarching ideas of a piece, and by finishing with Korra and Asami, the writers establish that The Legend Of Korra is a story about women first and foremost. It’s a series about how women relate to each other as friends, family, and rivals in romance and politics, an idea has became especially prominent in Book Three. Before that, there was much more emphasis on Korra’s connections with the men in her life: her father-daughter dynamic with Tenzin, her romantic entanglements with Bolin and Mako, her conflicts with Aman and Unalaq. Those relationships made Korra’s experience especially relatable to the adolescent females in the audience dealing with their own father drama and boy drama and the oppressive reality of living in a male-dominated society. But then the show stopped being about that.
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