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VanSandman posted:We are near peak fanfiction here, people, remember the evacuation procedures.
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VanSandman posted:.... wait are there any fat people in the Avatar world? All I got is baby Korra. Must be all that kung-fu. does Iroh count if he is dead??
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Darth Walrus posted:Fanfiction is made-up bullshit. Half the thread has been speculation about the show, and this is a topic given major prominence within said show. I mean, a Nickelodeon flagship cartoon ended with its protagonist starting up a gay relationship. That's a pretty enormous deal.  I never said it was a bad thing, did I?BrianWilly posted:Uh, Chief, I think Mako's starting a panic. The Evacuation Procedure is 'follow Wu and his badgermoles.' Motherfucker posted:does Iroh count if he is dead?? Iroh is RIPPED didn't you see Book 3.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:27
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Iroh got fit as gently caress at the end of Fire and it's sad he gained it all back in the interim. I will level one big complaint at the finale: I guess we're to assume that glowy-eyed Korra was just a figment of Korra's imagination or something. Ok. But...why could that spirit see it, and why did they make such a big deal about it? Felt like it wasn't properly resolved. Would have liked her to show up one last time in the finale.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:27
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The Sharmat posted:I will level one big complaint at the finale: I guess we're to assume that glowy-eyed Korra was just a figment of Korra's imagination or something. Ok. But...why could that spirit see it, and why did they make such a big deal about it? Felt like it wasn't properly resolved. Would have liked her to show up one last time in the finale.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:31
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The Sharmat posted:I'm happy speculating about anything else from the end, like say the eventual fate of the new Earth Federation  Like...I'm all too happy to see this resolution as a "happy ending" and I get that this is definitely the best, most appropriate outcome that the setting could have asked for, I'm just still not very clear on how, specifically, having separate city-states and elected officials are gonna solve the rampant lawlessness and poverty that afflicts the country, specifically.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:36
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BrianWilly posted:The solution to everything is clearly democracy The various nations were already planning to pledge their support in helping the Earth Kingdom. Presumably they will continue to do so for the individual states.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:39
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BrianWilly posted:The solution to everything is clearly democracy Well, Korra herself said that she was going to do everything she could to help the transition. With the Avatar and the Air Bender Corp. around, things should turn out fine.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:39
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BrianWilly posted:The solution to everything is clearly democracy It's really loving difficult to run a country as big and bloated as the Earth Kingdom well when you're mostly relying on centralised, absolutist government. Check the various woes of Russia, for example.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:40
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I'm guessing the worst of the banditry and poverty in the Earth Kingdom was in the periphery, away from Ba Sing Se, where the government could not effectively administrate. Devolving powers to local governments should make things easier. There will probably be some sort of overall authority--- a federal or confederate association of the various states--- but each of the various states having more say should make them run a little more efficiently. You have to strike a balance.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:42
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I want Wu to become to start a zoo and become known as the Badger Mole Prince.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:51
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Pomp posted:I want Wu to become to start a zoo and become known as the Badger Mole Prince. And from that day forward whenever they gathered that many animal in one place they called it a "Wu"! ...unless it's a farm.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:53
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Also the only two places in the entire Earth Kingdom that weren't objectively poo poo, Omashu and Zhao Fu, were operating as de facto independent city states. I think Wu had the right plan.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:59
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I don't understand Kuvira's willingness to just give up. She had the whole of the Earth
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Dec 20, 2014 05:08
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 VanityFair posted:But the real Thing came in the final moments of the series when our hero, Korra, walked off into the sunset (well, technically, a spirit portal) not with the ever-heroic Mako or the recently-heroic Prince Wu, but with Asami, her close friend. But if you think this final shot was denoting mere friendship, you’re kidding yourself.
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Dec 20, 2014 05:11
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MrSlam posted:I don't understand Kuvira's willingness to just give up. She had the whole of the Earth She was defeated. Korra could have pretty effortlessly either let her die or killed her herself. She could have taken advantage of Korra's sympathy and understanding and tried to start rampaging again, but at that point she was defeated.
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Dec 20, 2014 05:11
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Well, I guess that's it then.
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Dec 20, 2014 05:14
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MrSlam posted:I don't understand Kuvira's willingness to just give up. She had the whole of the Earth Not only was she utterly defeated but she basically witnessed an act of God.
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Dec 20, 2014 05:18
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Its the next best thing to actually just showing them making out right... What do you mean its a little piss weak? Everyone will be able to follow the implication but we'll still have plausible deniability when the focus groups bitch and moan.
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Dec 20, 2014 05:23
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If looking at the history of the real world is any guide, one can only imagine that the dissolution of the Earth Kingdom/Empire will only lead to disaster or the re-emergence of a single unitary state in the long run. The breakup of Yugoslavia resulted in a decade of violence, and the breakup of the Holy Roman Empire ended with the resurgence of the German Reich under Prussia a hundred years later. Looking at American history, the early Articles of Confederation failed to bring about any kind of workable system when the 13 colonies were effectively a federation of small democratic states, and only managed to get intrastate trade and debt under control through the imposition of a Federal system ten years later. If we were really being realistic about speculating on what would happen, we can only conclude that Wu's idea will be looked on as a huge mistake by his descendants.
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Dec 20, 2014 05:24
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MrSlam posted:I don't understand Kuvira's willingness to just give up. She had the whole of the Earth I took it as there being a lot of conversation between Korra and Kuvira that wasn't shown. Basically Korra saving Kuvira stopped her from closing her mind to whatever Korra said, and finally seeing herself as the monster that she was trying to protect her empire from.
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Dec 20, 2014 05:25
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DrSunshine posted:If looking at the history of the real world is any guide, one can only imagine that the dissolution of the Earth Kingdom/Empire will only lead to disaster or the re-emergence of a single unitary state in the long run. The breakup of Yugoslavia resulted in a decade of violence, and the breakup of the Holy Roman Empire ended with the resurgence of the German Reich under Prussia a hundred years later. Looking at American history, the early Articles of Confederation failed to bring about any kind of workable system when the 13 colonies were effectively a federation of small democratic states, and only managed to get intrastate trade and debt under control through the imposition of a Federal system ten years later. Letting people actually vote and have a say in their own governance is of course totally inconsequential too.
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DrSunshine posted:If looking at the history of the real world is any guide, one can only imagine that the dissolution of the Earth Kingdom/Empire will only lead to disaster or the re-emergence of a single unitary state in the long run. The breakup of Yugoslavia resulted in a decade of violence, and the breakup of the Holy Roman Empire ended with the resurgence of the German Reich under Prussia a hundred years later. Looking at American history, the early Articles of Confederation failed to bring about any kind of workable system when the 13 colonies were effectively a federation of small democratic states, and only managed to get intrastate trade and debt under control through the imposition of a Federal system ten years later.
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achillesforever6 posted:Really I would imagine some states will probably be fine while others will indeed have strife and potential wars that would then require the Avatar to try and mediate between the parties involved. Yeah but Korra is in the spirit world with Asami which means she's never going to do anything Avatary again -An actual criticism I've seen Some people just don't want to give this show a single inch.
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The Sharmat posted:Letting people actually vote and have a say in their own governance is of course totally inconsequential too. Actually, just going "OK, now y'all have democracy now" to people who have lived for countless generations under absolute rule is not really a good recipe for stability! Let me make it clear that it's not that I disagree with Wu's decision to bring democracy to the empire, it's his decision to dissolve it. Nation states are almost never served by dissolution, and have historically gained stability and economic strength through unification. DrSunshine fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Dec 20, 2014 |
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This is really funny and really sad. DrSunshine posted:Actually, just going "OK, now y'all have democracy now" to people who have lived for countless generations under absolute rule is not really a good recipe for stability! I really don't think that's what we were supposed to take from that. Did you expect them to dedicate 15 minutes to Wu and Raiko and friends laying out a 10 year plan to transitioning the Earth Kingdom into a loose federation of republics?
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DrSunshine posted:If looking at the history of the real world is any guide, one can only imagine that the dissolution of the Earth Kingdom/Empire will only lead to disaster or the re-emergence of a single unitary state in the long run. The breakup of Yugoslavia resulted in a decade of violence, and the breakup of the Holy Roman Empire ended with the resurgence of the German Reich under Prussia a hundred years later. Looking at American history, the early Articles of Confederation failed to bring about any kind of workable system when the 13 colonies were effectively a federation of small democratic states, and only managed to get intrastate trade and debt under control through the imposition of a Federal system ten years later. Yeah, that did strike me as well. Granted, Korra said she'd be helping out with the transition, but even she can't be everywhere at once. At some point, some conflict beyond her control boils over, and suddenly we're looking at an Age of the Hundred Warlords.
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Read this a bit a go and aside from being a nice little article, I feel like the show making the Most Popular list of Vanity Fair is a fitting last middle finger at Nickelodeon.
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Axel Serenity posted:Read this a bit a go and aside from being a nice little article, I feel like the show making the Most Popular list of Vanity Fair is a fitting last middle finger at Nickelodeon. They'd be dumb not to capitalize on the attention. No such thing as bad publicity - it got everyone's attention and now they're talking about it.
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Dec 20, 2014 05:38
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Regalingualius posted:Yeah, that did strike me as well. Granted, Korra said she'd be helping out with the transition, but even she can't be everywhere at once. At some point, some conflict beyond her control boils over, and suddenly we're looking at an Age of the Hundred Warlords. You know, this would be a great premise for an after-show series of comics. Rather like how the post-ATLA comics dealt with how Aang et al dealt with the long-term ramifications of the Fire Nation's colonies and the rebuilding after the war, it would be pretty interesting to see some stories about how Korra & Co. deal with the long-term ramifications of the breakup of the Earth empire.
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Pomp posted:Someone unironically said heterophobia not to like defend the majority of the crazy bullshit on there but if the 'heterophobia' thing was made on Tumblr I can absolutely see something like that being said and having some reasoning considering parts of tumblr that are heavy in Fandom often overlap with the 'Race to be the most sexually special snowflake, all cishets are the devil' parts of it. I mean there are people wishing death on the Winchester brother's actors real wives because they're destroying their gay fantasies. I really liked the ending for what it's worth, to clarify. I'm not saying it's a real thing or whatever but I can see people on Tumblr, especially the fandom areas, thinking it is or something.
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Pomp posted:Someone unironically said heterophobia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a85Xdmk_WIA
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Stallion Cabana posted:not to like defend the crazy bullshit on there but if the 'heterophobia' thing was made on Tumblr I can absolutely see something like that being said and having some reasoning considering parts of tumblr that are heavy in Fandom often overlap with the 'Race to be the most sexually special snowflake, all cishets are the devil' parts of it. I mean there are people wishing death on the Winchester brother's actors real wives because they're destroying their gay fantasies.
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DrSunshine posted:You know, this would be a great premise for an after-show series of comics. Rather like how the post-ATLA comics dealt with how Aang et al dealt with the long-term ramifications of the Fire Nation's colonies and the rebuilding after the war, it would be pretty interesting to see some stories about how Korra & Co. deal with the long-term ramifications of the breakup of the Earth empire. Except these comics will be good right?
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Stallion Cabana posted:not to like defend the majority of the crazy bullshit on there but if the 'heterophobia' thing was made on Tumblr I can absolutely see something like that being said and having some reasoning considering parts of tumblr that are heavy in Fandom often overlap with the 'Race to be the most sexually special snowflake, all cishets are the devil' parts of it. I mean there are people wishing death on the Winchester brother's actors real wives because they're destroying their gay fantasies. A-a-aren't those brothers JT Jag posted:Tumblr fandoms and insane social justice types are why I only use tumblr for porn. The JJBA part of tumblr is really good 
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PhazonLink posted:Except these comics will be good right? Pomp posted:A-a-aren't those brothers
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